Alflives Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 2 minutes ago, ice orca said: Every time i hear Waters on the radio i think of xxlarge depends. You do realize BW was the assistant GM for the Toronto Laughing stock of a totally crap team though, don't you; the very same team that had Gord friggin Stellock as a GM? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckles80 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 1 hour ago, stawns said: tanev is not a top 5 defensive dman in the league, probably not even top 10. he's good, but not that good. LOL ok, take some time Go look at his advanced stats Go read about what other gm's say about him Tell us all who the top 10 better DEFENSIVE defenseman are lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 35 minutes ago, Alflives said: That's actually quite a good list. Could I suggest Tanev slots in just above Hamilton, considering Hamilton's very poor defensive play? Would you be putting Tanev above a guy like Barrie?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 20 minutes ago, Nuckles80 said: LOL ok, take some time Go look at his advanced stats Go read about what other gm's say about him Tell us all who the top 10 better DEFENSIVE defenseman are lol Why don't you pull up his advanced stats? I have, Edler has a better Corsi and iCorsi/Fenwick/iFenwick. The Canucks control the puck significantly more when Edler is on the ice without Tanev than when Tanev is on the ice without Edler. Do you have any article or recording with GM's actually raving about Tanev? When has a GM ever said he was looking for Tanev in a trade?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 7 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Would you be putting Tanev above a guy like Barrie?? I thought we were ranking them for their defensive game? That's why I like this list, but felt Tanev (although not having the offensive game of some) should be above guys like Hamilton and Berrie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: I thought we were ranking them for their defensive game? That's why I like this list, but felt Tanev (although not having the offensive game of some) should be above guys like Hamilton and Berrie. Well in that case Phaneuf goes up, Subban goes way down, Hamhuis jumps up, Hamilton drops, Barrie stays about where he is, and Tanev goes slightly behind Vlasic... But this isn't a defensive d-man list. This is Canadas best d-men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoasting Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 On August 24, 2016 at 8:11 PM, The Lock said: Edler has a NTC so he's out of the picture. Yes because no one gets traded who has a ntc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 42 minutes ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Why don't you pull up his advanced stats? I have, Edler has a better Corsi and iCorsi/Fenwick/iFenwick. The Canucks control the puck significantly more when Edler is on the ice without Tanev than when Tanev is on the ice without Edler. Do you have any article or recording with GM's actually raving about Tanev? When has a GM ever said he was looking for Tanev in a trade? Well, if the GM of our team doesn't know this then I don't expect you to know either but that's called tampering. In support of Tanev, I remember some of the players from this year's world championship raving about how good/underrated he is. Without making a list, I'd say he's probably somewhere around the 10th best defensively. He thinks the game at such a high level and is still getting better. Hey, don't we have another thread for this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 1 hour ago, Nuckles80 said: LOL ok, take some time Go look at his advanced stats Go read about what other gm's say about him Tell us all who the top 10 better DEFENSIVE defenseman are lol Doughty Seabrook Hedman Weber Suter pietrangelo vlasic McDonough Ekman-Larsson Alzner Muzzin Giordano ristoleinen that's just off the top of my head Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Where ever he goes Etem will walk him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 1 minute ago, stawns said: Doughty - Two-way Seabrook Hedman Weber Suter pietrangelo vlasic McDonough - Two-way Ekman-Larsson - OFD Alzner Muzzin Giordano - Lol. OFD/TWD ristoleinen that's just off the top of my head So yes. Tanev is a top 10 defensive defenseman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insomniac604 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 4 hours ago, Monty said: Holy balls. Like a train wreck, I couldn't look away. Then, when you think it couldn't get anymore "stereotypical CDC", the cherry on top at the end with "Hey guys, Sbisa and what else for him?" JC. are you kidding me? lmao Sbisa is the only D we are offering. except for Edler, who is 30 and no teams turning-around want him. I also mentioned that Sbisa would be the only D we would offer, but who else? then specifically mentioned that there's not much else we would be willing to offer that could beat out other teams. idk if you're blind or just wiling to see what you want to. but I made a point to mention Sbisa would not be enough. maybe taper your $&!#s & giggles until something is actually funny Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 2 hours ago, Pears said: So yes. Tanev is a top 10 defensive defenseman. you don't get to exclude players because they have a deeper skill set, that's just stupid. those players are all better defensive players than Tanev, by a significant margin. I'm sure finding 10 more wouldn't be implausible either. that was good for a laugh though, thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 15 minutes ago, stawns said: you don't get to exclude players because they have a deeper skill set, that's just stupid. those players are all better defensive players than Tanev, by a significant margin. I'm sure finding 10 more wouldn't be implausible either. that was good for a laugh though, thanks Exactly. People seem to think that just because certain defensemen (ie: Tanev, Mitchell) can't chip in any offense, that means they belong to some kind of club of defensemen that can only be ranked against each other. Fact is, there are elite defensemen who, if they chose not to play a more balanced game, they would be light years ahead of Tanev as a "defensive defensemen" (ie: Duncan Keith for starters). Like you said, excluding guys simply because they have a deeper skill set is ludicrous. Tanev thinks the game incredibly well and is a good defenseman. But he can't play a physical game or move the needle in a game offensively. Not to say he's bad, because he's not. Just limited in his skill set. Anyway, back to Trouba and how, just like when the Jets ended up moving Kane, how he won't go to the Canucks and will likely end up out East; because, you know, Chevy isn't a moron. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 On 8/24/2016 at 8:45 PM, Monty said: I've always been led to believe that he was likely disappointed with this playing time. He's not getting top pairing minutes because of Byfuglien, and he's not getting first unit PP time, because of Byfuglien. This is the Jets' "problem" with being blessed with 3 terrific RHD. I'm actually convinced that Trouba would be around the 35-40 point mark, if he wasn't paired with Mark Stuart (piss poor offensively and defensively) and getting 25+ minutes a night, with first unit PP time. As for his worth? A low first is NOT going to cut it. He's an RFA and, whether he likes it or not (unsure), the Jets or any team he goes to holds all the cards. He can't do sh*t. If Chevy is smart, and let's be honest here: Out: Ladd, Bogo, Kane In: Myers, Stafford, Lemieux, Armia, 1st (Jack Roslovic, Dano, 1st (Logan Stanley) Then I'm sure he'd not only trade Trouba out East, but would go for a LHD instead of stockpiling more draft picks. Trouba for McDonagh? Add something extra on the Winnipeg side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 4 hours ago, Westcoasting said: Yes because no one gets traded who has a ntc. Actually on the Canucks the only NTCS who get traded are ones who want to be see Luongo,Kesler, Bieksa. The ones who don't Vrbata, Hamhuis, etc don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 3 hours ago, Pears said: So yes. Tanev is a top 10 defensive defenseman. The thing about defensive defensemen is that they aren't complete players. They are the D versions of a forward who doesn't backcheck. They don't play a complete 200 foot game, and that is the problem. While Tanev is probably in the top 3 for defensive d-men (Vlasic Hjarmlsson Tanev) A complete Dman is better. Doughty is better than Karlsson because he is a complete 2 way d-man where as Karlsson is the best offensive dman, but probably not a top 5 D in the NHL. Doughty Keith Weber Burns Byfuglien. Being a complete player is why Edler is better than Tanev, and it matters. It is why Tanevs value isn't as high as some think. It's high, but it's not Landeskog high. It's more like Tanev +1st = Landeskog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5Fivehole0 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 3 hours ago, stawns said: Doughty Seabrook Hedman Weber Suter pietrangelo vlasic McDonough Ekman-Larsson Alzner Muzzin Giordano ristoleinen that's just off the top of my head Tanev isn't even a top 10 D in Canada, let alone the entire NHL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 13 hours ago, 5Fivehole0 said: Well in that case Phaneuf goes up, Subban goes way down, Hamhuis jumps up, Hamilton drops, Barrie stays about where he is, and Tanev goes slightly behind Vlasic... But this isn't a defensive d-man list. This is Canadas best d-men. Oh. I still think Tanev is a very good player. If Larsson gets Hall, then Tanev should get us RNH, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 10 hours ago, stawns said: you don't get to exclude players because they have a deeper skill set, that's just stupid. those players are all better defensive players than Tanev, by a significant margin. I'm sure finding 10 more wouldn't be implausible either. that was good for a laugh though, thanks My concern with Tanev has always been his ability to withstand heavy physical play in playoffs. There is regular season play and CUP play. Calgary showed what physical CUP play was and they ran Tanev regularly. This does not mean Tanev is not a good dman but if his value is over rated or if he fits better in another org then Benning should move him. Again, it is all about what comes back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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