oldnews Posted October 17, 2016 Share Posted October 17, 2016 5 hours ago, Maniwaki Canuck said: I'd say that after last night its "critics" 1, apologists 0. With the right line combinations, this team can score. Whose goal started the come back? You're welcome. It was a powerplay goal though, ironically. Nothing to do with 5 on 5 lines - and again, ironically, Bo will be getting special teams minutes on both sides of the puck regardless. Context matters. WD 2, critics 0. Canucks 2-0. WD's lines worked both times. There is more to setting lines than the internal logic of a team. There is the opponent - gameplanning - dealing with matchups - and it's going to result in changes and differences from game to game. Even the best of teams can't remain static and predictable - and need to enhance their strengths and defend their weaknesses depending on how they line up against a particular opponent. And in addition, there are lots of other factors that come into play. There was nothing wrong with either of the setups WD went to in the first two games - they make sense in different ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hearditall Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 15/10/2016 at 9:32 AM, LaBamba said: WARNING As stupid as this sounds it's still not as stupid as the act of playing Horvat with Burrows and Dorsett The only logical explanation for Horvat's situation is to devalue him in a contract year. It's literally the only thing I can think of. again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaBamba Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, hearditall said: again... By far the easiest fish to catch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCammer Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Perhaps if Willie moves him to the 5th line he might start concentrating on Defense and stop all this scoring he's doing. So frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DonaldBrashear Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 WD for Jack Adams. Awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 10/17/2016 at 0:31 PM, oldnews said: It was a powerplay goal though, ironically. Nothing to do with 5 on 5 lines - and again, ironically, Bo will be getting special teams minutes on both sides of the puck regardless. Context matters. It wasn't a PP goal actually... PP ended and it was a 5on5 goal. On 10/17/2016 at 0:31 PM, oldnews said: WD 2, critics 0. Canucks 2-0. WD's lines worked both times. Can you really say WD gets anything. After one game he quickly went back to the lines that everyone was calling for from the start. On 10/17/2016 at 0:31 PM, oldnews said: There is more to setting lines than the internal logic of a team. There is the opponent - gameplanning - dealing with matchups - and it's going to result in changes and differences from game to game. Even the best of teams can't remain static and predictable - and need to enhance their strengths and defend their weaknesses depending on how they line up against a particular opponent. And in addition, there are lots of other factors that come into play. There was nothing wrong with either of the setups WD went to in the first two games - they make sense in different ways. It really didn't make sense to have him on the 4th, if it did why didn't he continues to stick him there? Seems like as soon as Bo was put into play with offensive players he's started to find his offensive game. It also doesn't really work to rotate players so much throughout the game, They build chemistry with players and build momentum from each other. He could got on a strong PP with a ton of chances to back with the plumbling line and the momentum is gone. Just because canucks won doesn't mean WD gets credit for it. Just like when the canucks lose it's not always his fault either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 7 minutes ago, ForsbergTheGreat said: It wasn't a PP goal actually... PP ended and it was a 5on5 goal. So in other words he was playing with a powerplay unit at the time - not his 5on5, "4th line mates" - and this is an irrelevent technicality. The rest I'm not going to go in circles on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForsbergTheGreat Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 9 hours ago, oldnews said: So in other words he was playing with a powerplay unit at the time - not his 5on5, "4th line mates" - and this is an irrelevent technicality. The rest I'm not going to go in circles on. That game his 5on5 line mates we're Jake and Baertschi. So yes he was still playing with his "5on5" line mates. Baertschi and him were building momentum together that entire game up until that goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrreindeer Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 On 17/10/2016 at 6:51 AM, alfstonker said: Willie always said he would alter lines to suit opponents. That is probably too deep for some on here though. See my post on the PGT for how accurate the "critics" are. And it only took him 3 years to figure that out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 When Bo got cheap shotted by Steen and went to the ice, I thought he was gonna be done for the game. He came back stronger and played like a man possessed. I've loved him since the 2013 draft.l, but this is the game that made me believe he could be a 1C one day... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpworsley Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 29 minutes ago, mrreindeer said: And it only took him 3 years to figure that out. The sad thing is he hasn't yet, I hope he does soon. Ok. So not one sports analyst could figure out why WD made this decision and some Geniuses on here come up with the reasoning (Willies own admission) for a defensive shut down line and to roll 4 lines?? What really bothers me is his stubbornness to do the same thing as he told the press the next morning, lines would remain the same for the Carolina game.and mysteriously some how they didn't. Read into that what you want, I think he is on a short short leash. These 3 wins will buy him some time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neko Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Don't forget the past couple seasons Canucks started out strong, too early to determine how the Canucks will hold up on the standings this year. Granted last year we were riddle with injuries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpworsley Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 I think management knows bad coaching will drag this fragile team down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 10 minutes ago, grumpworsley said: I think management knows bad coaching will drag this fragile team down Yup. I was wondering if it was .WD's choice to put Bo back with Baer, or JB's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: Yup. I was wondering if it was .WD's choice to put Bo back with Baer, or JB's? I think, as with all coaches in the NHL, WD was experimenting with balancing the lineup and offense. So far, I think things have worked pretty well. We are controlling the puck more than the other teams. Everyone gets bent out of shape when people get moved around. I remember a few years ago, everyone thought AV was completely nuts for trying a really weird and wacky experiment and everyone called for his head. He had the audacity to try Burrows on the first line with the Sedins! You never know what will work unless you try it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 1 minute ago, VegasCanuck said: I think, as with all coaches in the NHL, WD was experimenting with balancing the lineup and offense. So far, I think things have worked pretty well. We are controlling the puck more than the other teams. Everyone gets bent out of shape when people get moved around. I remember a few years ago, everyone thought AV was completely nuts for trying a really weird and wacky experiment and everyone called for his head. He had the audacity to try Burrows on the first line with the Sedins! You never know what will work unless you try it! Ya heaven forbid JV plays with the Twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 Just now, Alflives said: Ya heaven forbid JV plays with the Twins. Was tried, didn't work that well. Personally, I think they need a player who is more like Burrows to really be successful. Someone who will do more of the dirty work around the net. I think Virtanen needs a player more like McCann was as his center (not saying I'm unhappy with the trade). Someone who's really not afraid to mix it up as well. Now, we just need to find another one of those! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpworsley Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 5 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Was tried, didn't work that well. Personally, I think they need a player who is more like Burrows to really be successful. Someone who will do more of the dirty work around the net. I think Virtanen needs a player more like McCann was as his center (not saying I'm unhappy with the trade). Someone who's really not afraid to mix it up as well. Now, we just need to find another one of those! Hansen was working well with them last year. I am not saying Eriksson won't but he just seems to get man handled in front of the net to easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted October 19, 2016 Share Posted October 19, 2016 4 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: Was tried, didn't work that well. Personally, I think they need a player who is more like Burrows to really be successful. Someone who will do more of the dirty work around the net. I think Virtanen needs a player more like McCann was as his center (not saying I'm unhappy with the trade). Someone who's really not afraid to mix it up as well. Now, we just need to find another one of those! I really want to see JV with the Twins, and moving Errikson to the Horvat line, with Baer. I think this would be our most balanced line-up. I get the impression the Twins have too much say in whom their line-mate will be. Their line is WAY to easy to play against right now. Twins, JV Bo, Baer, Eriksson Granlund, Sutter, Hsnsen Gaunce, Burr, Dorsett. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alfstonker Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 9 hours ago, mrreindeer said: And it only took him 3 years to figure that out. Newsflash bud. You're not qualified to make a statement like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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