HKSR Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 3 hours ago, Alflives said: What? They do? I thought it was guys like: Toews, Kane, Crosby, and goalies (you know, the star players) who win the Conn Smythe. Raffi Torres says hello. No seriously, he just called me and told me to say hello to you. So what are we talking about here? Oh ... yeah, usually stars win the Conn Smythe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 15 hours ago, coolboarder said: Burrows could be one of a potential Conn Smythe candidate as a proven playoff performer so make this a conditional... if he wins that trophy, it becomes a 1st. With the way he is playing this year, he is a candidate if he is on any playoff team. Historically, the grinder who is a unsung hero tend to win Conn Smythe trophy. 41 minutes ago, coolboarder said: Claude Lemieux comes to a mind. He was not a skilled player but he was a playoff performer that scored timely goals. Burrows had a knack of scoring timely goals for us. Ok... so one example does not mean they "tend to win". I'll give you help though, Justin Williams in 2013-14. Still doesn't change much. It means that it is possible, but those that "tend to win" historically are stars or goalies: 1995-96 Joe Sakic Colorado Avalanche 1996-97 Mike Vernon Detroit Red Wings 1997-98 Steve Yzerman Detroit Red Wings 1998-99 Joe Nieuwendyk Dallas Stars 1999-00 Scott Stevens New Jersey Devils 2000-01 Patrick Roy Colorado Avalanche 2001-02 Nicklas Lidstrom Detroit Red Wings 2002-03 Jean-Sebastien Giguere Anaheim Mighty Ducks 2003-04 Brad Richards Tampa Bay Lightning 2005-06 Cam Ward Carolina Hurricanes 2006-07 Scott Niedermayer Anaheim Ducks 2007-08 Henrik Zetterberg Detroit Red Wings 2008-09 Evgeni Malkin Pittsburgh Penguins 2009-10 Jonathan Toews Chicago Blackhawks 2010-11 Tim Thomas Boston Bruins 2011-12 Jonathan Quick Los Angeles Kings 2012-13 Patrick Kane Chicago Blackhawks 2013-14 Justin Williams Los Angeles Kings 2014-15 Duncan Keith Chicago Blackhawks 2015-16 Sidney Crosby Pittsburgh Penguins In the last 20 years, Williams is the only one that would fit your description, the other 19 fit mine. You might argue that I stopped the year before Claude Lemieux won, so I give you another 11 years (after that we get into a name or two I don't want to research) 1983-84 Mark Messier Edmonton Oilers 1984-85 Wayne Gretzky Edmonton Oilers 1985-86 Patrick Roy Montreal Canadiens 1986-87 Ron Hextall Philadelphia Flyers 1987-88 Wayne Gretzky Edmonton Oilers 1988-89 Al MacInnis Calgary Flames 1989-90 Bill Ranford Edmonton Oilers 1990-91 Mario Lemieux Pittsburgh Penguins 1991-92 Mario Lemieux Pittsburgh Penguins 1992-93 Patrick Roy Montreal Canadiens 1993-94 Brian Leetch New York Rangers 1994-95 Claude Lemieux New Jersey Devils In these 11 years, 1 fits your description, 10 fit mine. In total, the last 31 years, 2 have been grinder unsung hero types, while 29 have been one of the star players or the goalie. Sucks when 1 google search destroys the argument you made off the top of your hat, maybe start with that next time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Tower102 said: Ok... so one example does not mean they "tend to win". I'll give you help though, Justin Williams in 2013-14. Still doesn't change much. It means that it is possible, but those that "tend to win" historically are stars or goalies: 1995-96 Joe Sakic Colorado Avalanche 1996-97 Mike Vernon Detroit Red Wings 1997-98 Steve Yzerman Detroit Red Wings 1998-99 Joe Nieuwendyk Dallas Stars 1999-00 Scott Stevens New Jersey Devils 2000-01 Patrick Roy Colorado Avalanche 2001-02 Nicklas Lidstrom Detroit Red Wings 2002-03 Jean-Sebastien Giguere Anaheim Mighty Ducks 2003-04 Brad Richards Tampa Bay Lightning 2005-06 Cam Ward Carolina Hurricanes 2006-07 Scott Niedermayer Anaheim Ducks 2007-08 Henrik Zetterberg Detroit Red Wings 2008-09 Evgeni Malkin Pittsburgh Penguins 2009-10 Jonathan Toews Chicago Blackhawks 2010-11 Tim Thomas Boston Bruins 2011-12 Jonathan Quick Los Angeles Kings 2012-13 Patrick Kane Chicago Blackhawks 2013-14 Justin Williams Los Angeles Kings 2014-15 Duncan Keith Chicago Blackhawks 2015-16 Sidney Crosby Pittsburgh Penguins In the last 20 years, Williams is the only one that would fit your description, the other 19 fit mine. You might argue that I stopped the year before Claude Lemieux won, so I give you another 11 years (after that we get into a name or two I don't want to research) 1983-84 Mark Messier Edmonton Oilers 1984-85 Wayne Gretzky Edmonton Oilers 1985-86 Patrick Roy Montreal Canadiens 1986-87 Ron Hextall Philadelphia Flyers 1987-88 Wayne Gretzky Edmonton Oilers 1988-89 Al MacInnis Calgary Flames 1989-90 Bill Ranford Edmonton Oilers 1990-91 Mario Lemieux Pittsburgh Penguins 1991-92 Mario Lemieux Pittsburgh Penguins 1992-93 Patrick Roy Montreal Canadiens 1993-94 Brian Leetch New York Rangers 1994-95 Claude Lemieux New Jersey Devils In these 11 years, 1 fits your description, 10 fit mine. In total, the last 31 years, 2 have been grinder unsung hero types, while 29 have been one of the star players or the goalie. Sucks when 1 google search destroys the argument you made off the top of your hat, maybe start with that next time. So if Burr wins, 2 firsts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Vicky said: So if Burr wins, 2 firsts? His original statement of wanting a 2nd to be turned into a 1st if Burrows wins the Conn Smythe is fine and smart. Both teams would make that bet likely. He should have just stopped there rather than adding a fictional statement after. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicky Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Just now, Tower102 said: His original statement of wanting a 2nd to be turned into a 1st if Burrows wins the Conn Smythe is fine and smart. Both teams would make that bet likely. He should have just stopped there rather than adding a fictional statement after. Yeah - just being cheeky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tower102 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Just now, Vicky said: Yeah - just being cheeky That is not allowed on this forum! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cyoung Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 Burrows... Conn Smyth.... What in the hell happened to this thread. I'd be happy with a Montreal 2nd in 2018... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 My ideal trade To van: 2017 2nd+ charles hudon To mtl: Alex burrows ( half retained) + pedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 On Thursday, February 09, 2017 at 2:23 PM, stawns said: You keep lobbing them up, I'll keep smacking them out of the park. All kidding aside, I don't disagree that it was a bit of a missed opportunity, but it isn't one that had much overall effect in the long run though. A potential 1st or even the 2nd calgary got from Dallas were both very very good picks and capable of helping with out prospect pool and thus helping in the long term affect. Especially when a draft is/was ever so deep as last year's. All if this for an asset we were about to lose and team management had already deemed to move on from. Now we have nothing to show.....thus not contributing to the long term plan of the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, missioncanucksfan said: A potential 1st or even the 2nd calgary got from Dallas were both very very good picks and capable of helping with out prospect pool and thus helping in the long term affect. Especially when a draft is/was ever so deep as last year's. All if this for an asset we were about to lose and team management had already deemed to move on from. Now we have nothing to show.....thus not contributing to the long term plan of the team. you can't force a team to make a trade, it takes two willing parties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 51 minutes ago, stawns said: you can't force a team to make a trade, it takes two willing parties. I realize that but that certain situation had 2 willing parties....one just wasn't asked if he was cool about it until it was too late Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 6 hours ago, Nicklas Bo Hunter said: My ideal trade To van: 2017 2nd+ charles hudon To mtl: Alex burrows ( half retained) + pedan. Galcheyuk is said/rumoured to be available..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, missioncanucksfan said: Galcheyuk is said/rumoured to be available..... Source? I follow the Habs very closely and I've NEVER heard a whisper of him being available. The kid is a former 3rd overall pick that was a point a game before getting injured this season. I'd be amazed if Montreal was entertaining offers on him. Especially when they're thin on top 6 Centers. I call BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 1 hour ago, missioncanucksfan said: Galcheyuk is said/rumoured to be available..... Yeah anyone is always available for the right price. In this case Galchenyuk is available for Horvat plus this years first plus Juolevi ect. Not a single scenario where the return includes Burrows and Pedan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 11 minutes ago, LarsEller said: Yeah anyone is always available for the right price. In this case Galchenyuk is available for Horvat plus this years first plus Juolevi ect. Not a single scenario where the return includes Burrows and Pedan. There's absolutely zero, actually less than zero chance Burrows and Pedan for Galchenyuk happens. Even then I think Bettman would come in and shoot it down knowing how bad Bergevin would be getting screwed there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 13 hours ago, missioncanucksfan said: I realize that but that certain situation had 2 willing parties....one just wasn't asked if he was cool about it until it was too late where do you get that info? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestCoastDave Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 On 2/8/2017 at 10:32 PM, missioncanucksfan said: Mtl has 2 2nd picks this year and next. Although both are theirs and Washington picks....but ya....they can afford it. I would go with the higher of the two picks in 2018 because of the rumored quality of this year's draft. If Anaheim comes calling for Burrows, I would ask for one of their promising young prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefcakeBo Posted February 11, 2017 Share Posted February 11, 2017 13 hours ago, Pears said: There's absolutely zero, actually less than zero chance Burrows and Pedan for Galchenyuk happens. Even then I think Bettman would come in and shoot it down knowing how bad Bergevin would be getting screwed there. Haha exactly. Galchenyuk isn't going to be traded unless its a huge overpayment anyways. Montreal is in their winning window with Price and Webber. They aren't going to want to part with a top 6 center unless they are getting a comparable center back or the overpayment is so huge they can't say no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 Burr and Hutton for Madison Bowey and a 3rd! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
missioncanucksfan Posted February 12, 2017 Share Posted February 12, 2017 2 hours ago, stawns said: Burr and Hutton for Madison Bowey and a 3rd! I would pass if I'm Washington. Ya 1040 was suggesting Hansen to Wash with injury to Burchovski but Caps got depth within plus Connolly and Wilson are providing great depth , but Oshie is a UFA and will walk and Hansen might offset that loss Imo, Bowey will equal Hutton level eventually so it would be a lateral move at the expense of losing a pick in Regards to the Burr/Hutton proposal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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