Crabcakes Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 19 minutes ago, bp79 said: I don't get this 5-year crap. He might gain 15 pounds in the next 2 months and blow the roof off at prospects camp. Can't stand how people on CDC think they are scouts and their opinion actually means something. He will be ready when he is ready hows that for A timeline. True. When I joined mens rugby leagues at 19, I was 150 lbs and 5'10". I quickly realized that my size was an issue. In the off season, 3 months work on a general weight program on a universal gym mostly, I put on 15 lbs without really knowing what I was doing. 3 days on weights, off days running, and 1 day off a week. 2 years later, having learned a lot, my normal playing weight was 180. Now, goals are a little different in rugby which puts a much bigger premium on upper body strength but the point remains that a kid at the right age could put on 15 lbs relatively easily without sacrificing aerobics. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BI3KSALLENT Posted June 25, 2017 Popular Post Share Posted June 25, 2017 36 minutes ago, bp79 said: I don't get this 5-year crap. He might gain 15 pounds in the next 2 months and blow the roof off at prospects camp. Can't stand how people on CDC think they are scouts and their opinion actually means something. He will be ready when he is ready hows that for A timeline. I think it's just people over-exaggerating and trying to find something to pick on. If we took Vilardi people would be complaining he's too slow to ever be effective, and if we took Glass people would complain he's too vanilla to ever be a #1C. People on these boards want instant satisfaction so the thought of having to wait for a player to develop scares them. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 We haven't had a purely offensively skilled player like Pettersson in a long time. I wanted Nylander over Virtanen for exactly this sort of skill and it's good to see that JB is watching the trend of the NHL go from big tough goons (Boston days) to elite skill up front and youth. Have to give him credit of making this ballsy pick when Glass, Mittelstatd and Vilardi were on the table. Those 3 guys all have good hands and hockey IQ too and could have fit the bill perfectly, but lets just hope Pettersson has another level to his offensive game. Still unsure of the pick over Glass and Vilardi but time will tell. This will either be a pure stroke of genius or mistake, but either way it's JB's career on the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 1 hour ago, Crabcakes said: True. When I joined mens rugby leagues at 19, I was 150 lbs and 5'10". I quickly realized that my size was an issue. In the off season, 3 months work on a general weight program on a universal gym mostly, I put on 15 lbs without really knowing what I was doing. 3 days on weights, off days running, and 1 day off a week. 2 years later, having learned a lot, my normal playing weight was 180. Now, goals are a little different in rugby which puts a much bigger premium on upper body strength but the point remains that a kid at the right age could put on 15 lbs relatively easily without sacrificing aerobics. What position do you play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 7Vilardi or glass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 I really hope JB isn't simply trying to replicate the Sedins with Dahlen and Pettersson, because it won't be very successful. It'll be great to have two elite offensive, skilled guys in our top-6, but one thing I've learned from the last 5 Cup champions is that you need your top line to play well defensively. Glass, Mittelstatd and Vilardi can all play well defensively. Pettersson is mentioned as being a good shot blocker and PKer, but with that frame I don't see it happening. IMO our biggest downfall in 2011 was the Sedins' poor defensive play. Look at the last few Cup champs. Crosby - great 200 foot player. Great offensively, but can back-check and win battles in the corners. Toews - Selke winner and clutch scorer. Kopitar - Selke guy, big strong center but can score as well. Krejci - Very skilled offensively but also great defensively. Bergeron = Selke winner Datsyuk - Going back to 2008, obviously the best two-way guy in the game You can see the trend. You need your top guy to play well defensively, because at the end of the day the matchup game is ever so important in the playoffs. I would have loved Horvat and another two-way center who can be a playmaker and passer, but lets just hope Pettersson can play well defensively too. Henrik and Daniel got victmized time and time again by Marchand and a very good two-way line which is why they lost the Finals. Hopefully history won't repeat itself. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bure_Pavel Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 https://www.google.ca/search?q=elias+pettersson&client=ms-android-samsung&site=webhp&prmd=inv&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwingKTywtjUAhVPxmMKHW9cBpwQ_AUICSgB&biw=360&bih=512#imgrc=geo-PoR0SV9z_M: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuxfanabroad Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I really hope JB isn't simply trying to replicate the Sedins with Dahlen and Pettersson, because it won't be very successful. It'll be great to have two elite offensive, skilled guys in our top-6, but one thing I've learned from the last 5 Cup champions is that you need your top line to play well defensively. Glass, Mittelstatd and Vilardi can all play well defensively. Pettersson is mentioned as being a good shot blocker and PKer, but with that frame I don't see it happening. IMO our biggest downfall in 2011 was the Sedins' poor defensive play. Look at the last few Cup champs. Crosby - great 200 foot player. Great offensively, but can back-check and win battles in the corners. Toews - Selke winner and clutch scorer. Kopitar - Selke guy, big strong center but can score as well. Krejci - Very skilled offensively but also great defensively. Bergeron = Selke winner Datsyuk - Going back to 2008, obviously the best two-way guy in the game You can see the trend. You need your top guy to play well defensively, because at the end of the day the matchup game is ever so important in the playoffs. I would have loved Horvat and another two-way center who can be a playmaker and passer, but lets just hope Pettersson can play well defensively too. Henrik and Daniel got victmized time and time again by Marchand and a very good two-way line which is why they lost the Finals. Hopefully history won't repeat itself. 2 rulebooks may have had something to do with it? Bad luck with Hammy, Kesler & Manny's health too. It was a great team..no need to focus on any shortcomings. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nergish Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 minutes ago, Rex425 said: I mean they had similar stats but Pettersson is younger so I'd say that Pettersson is the better prospect. I'd put him 3 or 4 right now (on the prospect pool), but he could be #1 after a few months. Yeah, the stats are way too close, I'm talking strictly about the eye test. Pettersson makes filthy moves to get around guys, but Dahlen's only focus is on net. He just seems hungrier to me. Honestly, the more I think about it, the more excited I am to see them in action. Both below weight and not the most physical, but my god do they have puckskills. These guys were creating some real buzz in Sweden. I think the two of them are going to be huge fan favourites here, together or a part. Gadjovich - Pettersson - Boeser Goldobin - Horvat - Dahlen One guy with strength on each line, and sick skill surrounding. Jake may factor in there at some point. Eriksson may even be reinvigorated by the talent. He's our lone elder forward for this whole process, after all. Gaudette looks like a dream 3C. Lind, Lockwood, McEwen, Palmu. Offensive ability is no longer lacking. Let's move onto our next weakness... point production from the backend and overall team defense. An aside for the Benning haters: I have supported the guy all along. He's a hockey player. When he played, he understood the game on a fundamental level. He is not an eloquent speaker, but it's so painfully clear that he knows this game. He's not just interested in accumulating assets, he's trying to build a team that makes sense from top to bottom. He does lack the business savvy of other GMS and gets bullied by them sometimes, and he does not have the acumen to pull off an elaborate move or do something controversial, but when it comes to the Canucks, he's been really consistent in his vision outside of Miller and Eriksson. Even those moves make sense to me though. Miller was a stopgap, and like I said above... Eriksson is here for a long time. Get used to him. He's a good mentor for our Swedes, an off year does not change his impressive career. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 hours ago, Crabcakes said: True. When I joined mens rugby leagues at 19, I was 150 lbs and 5'10". I quickly realized that my size was an issue. In the off season, 3 months work on a general weight program on a universal gym mostly, I put on 15 lbs without really knowing what I was doing. 3 days on weights, off days running, and 1 day off a week. 2 years later, having learned a lot, my normal playing weight was 180. Now, goals are a little different in rugby which puts a much bigger premium on upper body strength but the point remains that a kid at the right age could put on 15 lbs relatively easily without sacrificing aerobics. Same here. When I was 16 one of the trainers at A place called extra innings, told me I needed to gain core strength and develop certain arm muscles that help with velocity. In one off-season I wen't from my fastest pitch at 77 to 84 mph. Might not sound huge. But especially as A lefty it made the difference from having the chance to go to college or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bp79 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 2 hours ago, knucklehead91 said: Oh... my god. Mr. Clean couldnt even clean up the filthiness of that dangle Pretty sick moves I hope people who see that quit crying about vanilla boy and beast man 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 5 hours ago, droid56 said: We should be happy Pettersson is only 165 pounds. Add even 15 pounds to his weight, and I doubt he would have been available at 5. The good news is his weight is on an upwards trajectory since he says he's gained 10 or 12 pounds over the previous year. When I read about him, it sounds like his skill level and hockey IQ is up there with Hischier and Patrick. I'm looking forward to following him over the next 2 years. After that, I wouldn't be surprised to see him playing for the Canucks. He would have been more attractive for sure if he was 15 pounds heavier. Hopefully it's a blessing in disguise,but he seems pretty paper thin right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattrek Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 Man reading through this thread was painful. We had 5 pages of talking about Elias Pettersson, 25 pages of bickering over Virtanen/Nylander, Juolevi/Tkachuk and 3 pages of the usual suspects having a total meltdown over Benning murdering their families (well, not really, but with how they go on and on about how awful he is you'd think he'd murdered their families or something). Typical CDC. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 6 hours ago, TU90 said: Love the pick. We need high end skill, and he's only 14lbs lighter than Cody Glass. context is always so illuminating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 hours ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I really hope JB isn't simply trying to replicate the Sedins with Dahlen and Pettersson, because it won't be very successful. It'll be great to have two elite offensive, skilled guys in our top-6, but one thing I've learned from the last 5 Cup champions is that you need your top line to play well defensively. Glass, Mittelstatd and Vilardi can all play well defensively. Pettersson is mentioned as being a good shot blocker and PKer, but with that frame I don't see it happening. IMO our biggest downfall in 2011 was the Sedins' poor defensive play. Look at the last few Cup champs. Crosby - great 200 foot player. Great offensively, but can back-check and win battles in the corners. Toews - Selke winner and clutch scorer. Kopitar - Selke guy, big strong center but can score as well. Krejci - Very skilled offensively but also great defensively. Bergeron = Selke winner Datsyuk - Going back to 2008, obviously the best two-way guy in the game You can see the trend. You need your top guy to play well defensively, because at the end of the day the matchup game is ever so important in the playoffs. I would have loved Horvat and another two-way center who can be a playmaker and passer, but lets just hope Pettersson can play well defensively too. Henrik and Daniel got victmized time and time again by Marchand and a very good two-way line which is why they lost the Finals. Hopefully history won't repeat itself. Pettersson was advertised as a 3 zone player. He backchecks and appears to show good defensive awareness. Jake has been torn down, let's see if Green can rebuild him. Horvat plays a responsible game, Granlund same. Pettersson' size is a concern, his fitness, skill, two way play etc are not a concern. Other than being swedes and being good young players, Dahlin and Pettersson aren't similar to the twins IMO. The twins are unique and we are adding guys that play a much heavier game with other picks. Pettersson won't be the only guy on the ice. Unlike the twins, which have only played together (a huge mistake and makes it far to easy to defend,especially now.) Pettersson could be between Boeser and Jake or Gadjovich etc... EmW 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
granpappy Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 i thought we were having steak and potatoes, now it's swedish meatballs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DownUndaCanuck Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 14 minutes ago, Eastcoast meets Westcoast said: Pettersson was advertised as a 3 zone player. He backchecks and appears to show good defensive awareness. Jake has been torn down, let's see if Green can rebuild him. Horvat plays a responsible game, Granlund same. Pettersson' size is a concern, his fitness, skill, two way play etc are not a concern. Other than being swedes and being good young players, Dahlin and Pettersson aren't similar to the twins IMO. The twins are unique and we are adding guys that play a much heavier game with other picks. Pettersson won't be the only guy on the ice. Unlike the twins, which have only played together (a huge mistake and makes it far to easy to defend,especially now.) Pettersson could be between Boeser and Jake or Gadjovich etc... EmW I really hope you're right. I agree that when they're on the ice it's a 5 man game, but the clash of the centers is a massive matchup in a deep playoff round. Crosby and Malkin trashed the Nashville centers and ate away slowly at the Preds defence over time. We've seen Getzlaf, Kopitar and Toews absolutely dominate the West in the last decade. The Canucks need someone dominant down the middle who can score against other centers but also defend against them. It seems that the next generation with be Glass vs Vilardi vs Pettersson/Horvat vs McDavid/Draisaitl vs Keller/Strome. We certainly don't have the best center depth in the Pacific or West but lets just hope it does well enough in the matchups. Hopefully Pettersson can hold his own physically and defensively because we know he'll be able to stick-handle and generate offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Fingers Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 18 minutes ago, DownUndaCanuck said: I really hope you're right. I agree that when they're on the ice it's a 5 man game, but the clash of the centers is a massive matchup in a deep playoff round. Crosby and Malkin trashed the Nashville centers and ate away slowly at the Preds defence over time. We've seen Getzlaf, Kopitar and Toews absolutely dominate the West in the last decade. The Canucks need someone dominant down the middle who can score against other centers but also defend against them. It seems that the next generation with be Glass vs Vilardi vs Pettersson/Horvat vs McDavid/Draisaitl vs Keller/Strome. We certainly don't have the best center depth in the Pacific or West but lets just hope it does well enough in the matchups. Hopefully Pettersson can hold his own physically and defensively because we know he'll be able to stick-handle and generate offence. True LD and McJesus are a heck of a combo. We won't have that, not ever. Mind you the oilers had had to suck for a long time to get that... How many top 10 picks and 1st OA's did they have to go thru to find these 2 guys. Horvat is really good comparison to both Vlardi and Glass. He has the potential to be a next top two way center. We lack a offensive center. We have a horrible PP and along with a center we need a puck mover. We have some meat meat on the wings and there are two way guys up and down the line up. Skating is the new fad in the NHL. Pettersson has great skating, needs a better first step, but other than Mittlestad (who has huge question marks about his game) Pettersson has the best skating of the four centres available in the 5 spot range. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcakes Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 9 hours ago, Camel Toe Drag said: What position do you play? Hooker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camel Toe Drag Posted June 25, 2017 Share Posted June 25, 2017 4 minutes ago, Crabcakes said: Hooker Right on. I'm lucky enough to still be playing. Tough on the body for sure. If Pettersson can build himself like a hooker we'll be set. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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