coryberg Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 10 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: Lucic may be on the decline but his resume speaks for itself. He earned his contract. Yes, they all earn more than Gudbranson (and rightfully so) but those are the only 3 tough guys earning more than $4M. The only other guy I can think of is Kevin Bieksa who earns $4M and even that's an overpayment. Fans couldn't wait to dump his contract 2 years ago. You said it yourself there are only 3 tough guys in the NHL who play well enough to earn more than 4 million. Talk about a limited market! No wonder these guys are so coveted. As for Bieksa he is a tough middleweight but he would get ragdolled by any of the big 4. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 28 minutes ago, ice orca said: Gudbranson has missed almost the same amount of time as Tanev the last 2yrs due to injuries. Shhhh,...that doesn't fit his narrative! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VIC_CITY Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 6 minutes ago, coryberg said: You said it yourself there are only 3 tough guys in the NHL who play well enough to earn more than 4 million. Talk about a limited market! No wonder these guys are so coveted. As for Bieksa he is a tough middleweight but he would get ragdolled by any of the big 4. They are extremely coveted and if Gudbranson was one of those guys, I'd gladly open up the vault for him. But the reality is, he's a replacement level player. If he wasn't big/tough, he wouldn't even be in the lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 47 minutes ago, ice orca said: Gudbranson has missed almost the same amount of time as Tanev the last 2yrs due to injuries. .. and Tanev doesn’t go up against the bigger power forwards, hit, or fight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 21 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: Tanev makes Gudbranson look like the reincarnation of Dana Murzyn. Minus the odd goal Dana would score of course. We have Gudbranson in his youth, not his prime. Tanev will be injured again before Christmas. Bigger D men take time. The only true seasoned vets on this squad are the Sedins, Vanek, Gagner, Edler, Tanev, Dorset, Eriksson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 1 hour ago, VIC_CITY said: If we have the puck, the other team doesn't even get shots from center ice, nevermind the perimeter. D playing against some of the better players in the league are going to allow the other team possession and shots no matter how 'good' they are. ^^^Red herring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 Lets do Polak + Nylander for Gudbranson + Gaunce + 3rd? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 51 minutes ago, VIC_CITY said: They are extremely coveted and if Gudbranson was one of those guys, I'd gladly open up the vault for him. But in my alternate reality, he's a replacement level player. If he wasn't big/tough, he wouldn't even be in the lineup. Fixed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N4ZZY Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 57 minutes ago, apollo said: Lets do Polak + Nylander for Gudbranson + Gaunce + 3rd? Nylander isn't going anywhere. I'd be surprised if the Leafs parted ways with Nylander. That'd be an incredible catch for Benning and Co!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 5 hours ago, ice orca said: I want goals from the back end..thats how you get in a position to go deep in the playoffs. At least Gudbranson is hitting posts and crossbars from the point. The alleged offensive D Stecher and MDZ can't even hit the net when open in the slot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 2 hours ago, N4ZZY said: Nylander isn't going anywhere. I'd be surprised if the Leafs parted ways with Nylander. That'd be an incredible catch for Benning and Co!!!! McKenzie last week wrote that the Leafs' strategy is built around the three of Matthews, Marner, Nylander. He used the word 'seismic' to describe how it would be such a radical change of philosophy to have Nylander available. He is adamant that the guiding principle of the Shanaplan is to build a contender around those three players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 9 minutes ago, mll said: McKenzie last week wrote that the Leafs' strategy is built around the three of Matthews, Marner, Nylander. He used the word 'seismic' to describe how it would be such a radical change of philosophy to have Nylander available. He is adamant that the guiding principle of the Shanaplan is to build a contender around those three players. Liljegrin and their 1st it is!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted November 29, 2017 Share Posted November 29, 2017 4 hours ago, SilentSam said: .. and Tanev doesn’t go up against the bigger power forwards, hit, or fight. No he just shuts them down with his brain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SilentSam Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 27 minutes ago, ice orca said: No he just shuts them down with his brain. That’s funny... Edler does the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 53 minutes ago, SilentSam said: That’s funny... Edler does the same thing. No Edler shuts his own brain down a lot lately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 hours ago, mll said: McKenzie last week wrote that the Leafs' strategy is built around the three of Matthews, Marner, Nylander. He used the word 'seismic' to describe how it would be such a radical change of philosophy to have Nylander available. He is adamant that the guiding principle of the Shanaplan is to build a contender around those three players. Thankfully they have Reilly on what could be a really solid contract. They don't need to move any of the "big three" if they can get a Gudbranson type player with JVR. Nylander is more a pipe dream for us. If they move Nylander it's likely for a Seth Jones/Dougie Hamilton type d-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: Thankfully they have Reilly on what could be a really solid contract. They don't need to move any of the "big three" if they can get a Gudbranson type player with JVR. Nylander is more a pipe dream for us. If they move Nylander it's likely for a Seth Jones/Dougie Hamilton type d-man. Nylander is not a centre, so he’s not returning that level of Dman. Unless it’s a trade with Ottawa, of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Nylander is not a centre, so he’s not returning that level of Dman. Unless it’s a trade with Ottawa, of course. Or Edmonton, if they had anything of value who isn't McJesus or Draisaitl. Nylander can play center no? Did he not play Center when Matthews went down? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 1 minute ago, N7Nucks said: Or Edmonton, if they had anything of value who isn't McJesus or Draisaitl. Nylander can play center no? Did he not play Center when Matthews went down? He’s a poor centre, and a good winger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted November 30, 2017 Share Posted November 30, 2017 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: He’s a poor centre, and a good winger. Pretty much exactly like Marner then. That's a shame. Looking at Nylander's faceoff stats they aren't terrible, he is clicking at 55 percent this year. Must be god awful defensively. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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