stawns Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 16 minutes ago, TomatoPieFan said: They were a dynamic duo on the same line during the Calder Cup run. Conacher was just resigned by Lightning to a one year one way 700K. He just got AHL player of the month too. I'm not sure what that poster is saying? He wants them to trade Baer for Conacher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, stawns said: I'm not sure what that poster is saying? He wants them to trade Baer for Conacher? That is how I interpreted that too.... NOT happening! Well not unless you throw a late 1st or early 2nd round pick in as well lol Edited December 5, 2018 by Kootenay Gold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomatoPieFan Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Im not saying anything other than the two played on the same line and were exciting to watch. LOL No hidden messages in the statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 24 minutes ago, Kootenay Gold said: That is how I interpreted that too.... NOT happening! Well not unless you throw a late 1st or early 2nd round pick in as well lol There's a reason Ive had that guy on block for a long time...........that was one of his better posts, sadly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Canucks Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, chilliwiggins said: I suppose if you look at all undrafted or walk ons as (FREE) but are they? Your getting rid of a player under contract that you see a future in. Time will tell. Its not going to help Utica that's for sure. so if attendance drops in Utica because they are free falling from having a decimated team is that still free? lol Except that they clearly don't see a future in with Carcone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 1 hour ago, Kootenay Gold said: That is how I interpreted that too.... NOT happening! Well not unless you throw a late 1st or early 2nd round pick in as well lol not even. Benning knows how hard it is to find players through the draft. He wants the team to move forward and not continuously start over again. Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser are not going to be under team control indefinitely. Goldobin and Virtanen are already in their draft+5 so how many years until a pick in 2019 can become a contributing player. Foligno when he got traded to Minnesota from Buffalo talked about how they knew that management was wasting their careers by trading players away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK_19 Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 Is there something wrong with the GM of the Utica Comets? How could it not have been foreseeable we needed more/better centres? I don't watch Comets games but how does the coach compare to Green? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 2 hours ago, stawns said: Utica is a development team, if a person is going to be a fan of a development team, especially for an org doing a full rebuild top to bottom, then that's something that person needs to understand. It's about the process more than the result. Vancouver has 5 collegiate players who will not play in Utica. That is a lot of potential talent not available to the Comets. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 49 minutes ago, AK_19 said: Is there something wrong with the GM of the Utica Comets? How could it not have been foreseeable we needed more/better centres? I don't watch Comets games but how does the coach compare to Green? I'm not sure what you're saying here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krutovsdonut Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 22 minutes ago, stawns said: I'm not sure what you're saying here the beef is that the canucks did not sign veteran ahl centres with offensive chops to shelter and bring along all the rookie prospects. the result is they have a losing team and a chaotic environment for the rookies and a lack of what soccer guys would call "quality" to support the young guys. i am pretty sure the canucks did it on purpose thinking they had enough depth at centre and not wanting to block prospects, and then sutter and beagle went down, gaudette and archie went up. and it all went to hell. as for what has happened more recently, i initially thought the canucks were sticking to the plan because they liked the plan, but after they purposely waived archie and then exposed leipsic instead of sendin gaudette down i kind of think they are on a short budget leash in vancouver and utica due to the gagner situation and trying to shed contracts to make changes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, mll said: not even. Benning knows how hard it is to find players through the draft. He wants the team to move forward and not continuously start over again. Horvat, Pettersson, Boeser are not going to be under team control indefinitely. Goldobin and Virtanen are already in their draft+5 so how many years until a pick in 2019 can become a contributing player. Foligno when he got traded to Minnesota from Buffalo talked about how they knew that management was wasting their careers by trading players away. Baertschi's numerous concussion history is a concern; if I were Jim Benning, I would consider moving him at the TDL if the return for him was a quality minor league player and a mid 1st or 2nd round pick in this draft. This team is not going to be a cup contender for a couple of years yet so maximizing the depth of the prospect pool by moving a player whose long term viability is very much in question, to me , is a no brainer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 7 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said: they are practically the same quality of player albeit one player plays for the best team in the league with a stacked roster and its tough to crack the line up. I don't buy that at all. Conacher is about to turn 29 years old - has played 189 NHL games, the bulk of which were between 2012-15 and has totals of 28 goals, 46 assists for 74 points Baertschi is 3 years younger and has 269 NHL games to his credit and has totals of 60 goals, 68 assists for 128 points. Baertschi was a 1st round pick and Conacher was an undrafted player..... kind of telling as to how the scouts evaluated them. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 10 minutes ago, chilliwiggins said: No one was drafting players Conachers size then, that's why. Baer's numbers are exploited as well similar to Anson Carter was. Baertschi is overpaid if you look at comparables on Capfriendly untradable You were not talking about what they are being paid. You said: " they are practically the same quality of player". They are not even close! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungass Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 How depressing has this season been? Parent club sucks, farm team sucks. Oh well, at least we have a deep prospect pool. Wait.... didn’t we say that last year as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 1 hour ago, Dungass said: How depressing has this season been? Parent club sucks, farm team sucks. Oh well, at least we have a deep prospect pool. Wait.... didn’t we say that last year as well? It’s called a rebuild. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dungass Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 14 minutes ago, 70seven said: It’s called a rebuild. Since 2014. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 2 hours ago, Kootenay Gold said: Baertschi's numerous concussion history is a concern; if I were Jim Benning, I would consider moving him at the TDL if the return for him was a quality minor league player and a mid 1st or 2nd round pick in this draft. This team is not going to be a cup contender for a couple of years yet so maximizing the depth of the prospect pool by moving a player whose long term viability is very much in question, to me , is a no brainer. reason why he doesn't have that kind of trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kootenay Gold Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 It is really hard to say just what kind of value he may fetch at the TDL. I would be willing to bet that a few teams may be willing to take a flyer on him depending on how much JB is asking in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted December 6, 2018 Share Posted December 6, 2018 38 minutes ago, Dungass said: Since 2014. yup Oilers Panthers Sabres have been rebuilding for a decade. They aren’t pretty and require fan patience... like actual years of it. Toronto pulled off a miracle and got some lottery luck.... but they were a laughing stock of the league for a good number of years. But then they drafted with a skill focus and developed players slowly. Then they started to see success at the AHL level. They didn’t rush their prospects, and as they’ve become ready, the likes of Bozak, JVR, Komorov etc get moved on from. Of course they also won the draft lottery and convinced another elite C to sign long term... Stay patient! Enjoy the pretty Petey plays from game to game, and hopefully WE get some lottery luck this spring! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mll Posted December 6, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted December 6, 2018 3 hours ago, chilliwiggins said: they are practically the same quality of player albeit one player plays for the best team in the league with a stacked roster and its tough to crack the line up. Over the past 3 seasons Horvat has played 2'980 minutes at 5v5 and Baertschi 2'350 - that's a difference of 630 minutes (data from Corsica). Horvat has only 1 goal more than Baertschi with Baertschi not being the goal scorer on the line. Daniel played 900 minutes more than Baertschi yet only has 3 5v5 goals more while playing with elite playmaker Henrik and being the designated goal scorer on the line. Let me guess he's a perimeter player. No one on the Canucks scores as close to the net as Baertschi. He's not a finisher - he has one of the highest shooting percentage in the league over the past 3 seasons. The issue is not comparing Baer to Conacher but that too many think the prospects are going to come and save the day and it's unlikely to happen. None of the players in Utica (save Juolevi) are 1st round picks which already drops their odds of making the league by quite a notch. Pastrnak, Nylander, Fiala, Arvidsson all looked like the better players on their AHL team when they came over from Sweden with no prior experience on the smaller ice. Dahlen is struggling - only 1 goal at EV and Utica fans don't sound particularly impressed. Pierre Dorion might not be much of a GM but comes from a scouting family - he climbed the ranks as a scout. He has a pretty good track record - Erik Karlsson is him. At the time of the trade he said Dahlen is not a key prospect for them and they don't believe he will be an impact player in the NHL. Yet here everyone thinks he's just going to come in and make all those designated place holders dispensable. No one drafted out of the CHL has Baer's record. On a team using two 16 year old as C1 up to January (they managed just 1pt in 22 playoff games) Baer was the 1st player in over 15 years to be a 2 ppg in the WHL. In the playoff finals Oil King's coach Laxdal was saying he is showing why he is the best player in Canadian Major Junior. None of the prospects dominated the WHL/OHL or the Q as he has. Yet Lind, MacEwen and Gadjovich will apparently be better. In Utica, Comets play-by-play Brendan Burke (now with the Islanders) was saying that they never had a player that could generate offence like he could and that his stat sheet really did not reflect how good he has looked. When Baer started in the AHL during the lockout year he was immediately the most dangerous player on his team. When the Chicago Wolves played Abbotsford even Vancouver media was writing that he looked by far more impressive than any prospect the Canucks had at the time. Nashville is in town. They are widely considered one of the better teams at drafting and developing Ds. Their draft success rate from their inception in 1998 to 2013 (Poile says it takes at least 4 years to develop Ds) is 20%. In other words it takes them 5 picks to find 1 D and it's heavily skewed towards the top of the draft. Yet Sautner, McEneny (who will both be UFAs at the end of the season), Woo, Brisebois etc will make most of the Ds dispensable. They'll find players for sure but if people think they are easily going to be better than the players the team has now - it's by far not a guarantee. 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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