The World Events Thread

[bishopshodan]

12 hours ago, CBH1926 said:

He says that previous law was targeting gays, it’s a slippery slope.

Adults should stay far away from the kids.

As far as your example goes, besides being registered offender, spending time in prison is a must imo.

 

I obviously agree on jail time for pedos.

 

The examples are not mine, I pulled them from the article I posted and an other one that I read.

 

What seems to be a good thing is now a judge has choices and can decide not to put someone that is gay on the offenders registry. Previously they only had the option to opt out if the willing participants were having straight sex. So if a 19yr old boy has sex with his 17 yr old girlfriend the judge has always had to option to not put the boy on the registry. If a 19yr old boy had sex with his 17 yr old boyfriend, the judge didn't have the choice regarding putting the 19 yr old on the registry, it was mandatory. That's why it seemed to target gays.

 

I read just a little on the HIV bill you mentioned this guy was involved with.

Since it was an automatic felony to not tell the person you are  having sex with that you are HIV positive. It was discovered that people were just not getting tested. Ignorance is bliss, if they didn't know they had it, they couldn't be charged with a felony. 

 

 

 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

Can we just stop with “gender reveal parties?” Or at the very least, stop with the coloured smoke bombs and pyrotechnics?

 

I mean, IMO this “gender reveal“ BS is stupid AF, and pretty much pointless, just to get that out of the way. Take it from a parent of a trans kid, babies have a natal sex, but they don’t have gender. That comes later, and it’s not always what they tell you on the ultrasounds or in the delivery room.

 

But whatever, my opinion is probably too “political” for some people. And I’m certainly not looking to start yet another CDC discussion about gender issues.

 

Whatever floats your boat. If you wanna do a “gender reveal,” have at it. Just stay away from ******* explosives. Maybe stick to balloons and confetti. Or some pink or blue cake hidden under some icing. Everyone still gets their “reveal” and they can cheer and clap or whatever the hell people do at these things.

 

(And then in a few years, your kid can tell who who they actually are. )

 

But whatever makes people happy. I’m not gonna tell anyone not to do a “gender reveal.”  
 

Just don’t be the dumbass who burns down 7000 acres. 

[RUPERTKBD]

6 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Can we just stop with “gender reveal parties?” Or at the very least, stop with the coloured smoke bombs and pyrotechnics?

 

I mean, IMO this “gender reveal“ BS is stupid AF, and pretty much pointless, just to get that out of the way. Take it from a parent of a trans kid, babies have a natal sex, but they don’t have gender. That comes later, and it’s not always what they tell you on the ultrasounds or in the delivery room.

 

But whatever, my opinion is probably too “political” for some people. And I’m certainly not looking to start yet another CDC discussion about gender issues.

 

Whatever floats your boat. If you wanna do a “gender reveal,” have at it. Just stay away from ******* explosives. Maybe stick to balloons and confetti. Or some pink or blue cake hidden under some icing. Everyone still gets their “reveal” and they can cheer and clap or whatever the hell people do at these things.

 

(And then in a few years, your kid can tell who who they actually are. )

 

But whatever makes people happy. I’m not gonna tell anyone not to do a “gender reveal.”  
 

Just don’t be the dumbass who burns down 7000 acres. 

Never really been a fan of finding out before hand, anyway.....we didn't know with all three of our kids until they were born.

[CBH1926]

23 hours ago, bishopshodan said:

I obviously agree on jail time for pedos.

 

The examples are not mine, I pulled them from the article I posted and an other one that I read.

 

What seems to be a good thing is now a judge has choices and can decide not to put someone that is gay on the offenders registry. Previously they only had the option to opt out if the willing participants were having straight sex. So if a 19yr old boy has sex with his 17 yr old girlfriend the judge has always had to option to not put the boy on the registry. If a 19yr old boy had sex with his 17 yr old boyfriend, the judge didn't have the choice regarding putting the 19 yr old on the registry, it was mandatory. That's why it seemed to target gays.

 

I read just a little on the HIV bill you mentioned this guy was involved with.

Since it was an automatic felony to not tell the person you are  having sex with that you are HIV positive. It was discovered that people were just not getting tested. Ignorance is bliss, if they didn't know they had it, they couldn't be charged with a felony. 

 

 

 

Yeah, I know you got it from the article.

It caught my attention on Breitbart because it had 500 000 comments.

Never seen a story with that many comments in my life.

 

[bishopshodan]

2 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Yeah, I know you got it from the article.

It caught my attention on Breitbart because it had 500 000 comments.

Never seen a story with that many comments in my life.

 

Wow,

I bet they are thoughtful lovely comments. 

[stawns]

On 9/5/2020 at 8:50 PM, CBH1926 said:

He says that previous law was targeting gays, it’s a slippery slope.

Adults should stay far away from the kids.

As far as your example goes, besides being registered offender, spending time in prison is a must imo.

 

 

I agree, but counselling for those individuals is just as important.  Most pedos were victims of sexual abuse to begin with and that cycle needs to be stopped.  Punishment doesn't stop the cycle and those individuals will be released at some point.  They need help too, for the good of spciety

[bishopshodan]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

I agree, but counselling for those individuals is just as important.  Most pedos were victims of sexual abuse to begin with and that cycle needs to be stopped.  Punishment doesn't stop the cycle and those individuals will be released at some point.  They need help too, for the good of spciety

I have mentioned this book before ' Mad Blood Stirring'

There is a chapter on pedo's that have completed their jail time.

There is no support for them. Often support groups have to lie about why they are booking time at community centres or churches. If they are found out, that a group of convicted pedophiles are meeting to receive counselling, they are kicked out. 

 

I know, nobody has sympathy for pedophiles, it's the worst of crimes. However since we don't kill them and eventually release them.

Like you said, they need help too for the good of all of us. 

[Gurn]

If you do a crime, then do your time, that is supposed to be enough "punishment'.

Any repercussions after jail time, if not part of parole, should be illegal.

[CBH1926]

44 minutes ago, bishopshodan said:

Wow,

I bet they are thoughtful lovely comments. 

Only the best.

[CBH1926]

42 minutes ago, stawns said:

I agree, but counselling for those individuals is just as important.  Most pedos were victims of sexual abuse to begin with and that cycle needs to be stopped.  Punishment doesn't stop the cycle and those individuals will be released at some point.  They need help too, for the good of spciety

Norway has the lowest recidivism rates amongst western nations.

Their prisons are very nice and even Breivik got 21 years in prison for killing 77 people.

The way the U.S system is set up you really have no choice but to return to life of crime.

 

But also what’s the proper punishment for crimes?

It depends on the individual I guess, me personally I operate under an eye for an eye belief system.

I offer very little forgiveness and your punishment would depend on the crime.

If the law doesn’t punish you enough, that leaves the door open for retribution.

[Templeton Peck]

16 hours ago, SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME said:

Can we just stop with “gender reveal parties?” Or at the very least, stop with the coloured smoke bombs and pyrotechnics?

 

I mean, IMO this “gender reveal“ BS is stupid AF, and pretty much pointless, just to get that out of the way. Take it from a parent of a trans kid, babies have a natal sex, but they don’t have gender. That comes later, and it’s not always what they tell you on the ultrasounds or in the delivery room.

 

But whatever, my opinion is probably too “political” for some people. And I’m certainly not looking to start yet another CDC discussion about gender issues.

 

Whatever floats your boat. If you wanna do a “gender reveal,” have at it. Just stay away from ******* explosives. Maybe stick to balloons and confetti. Or some pink or blue cake hidden under some icing. Everyone still gets their “reveal” and they can cheer and clap or whatever the hell people do at these things.

 

(And then in a few years, your kid can tell who who they actually are. )

 

But whatever makes people happy. I’m not gonna tell anyone not to do a “gender reveal.”  
 

Just don’t be the dumbass who burns down 7000 acres. 

[SID.IS.SID.ME.IS.ME]

11 hours ago, RUPERTKBD said:

Never really been a fan of finding out before hand, anyway.....we didn't know with all three of our kids until they were born.

We had a very complicated twin pregnancy, so by the time the twins were born, we’d had so many scans, I knew exactly what they looked like.

Literally knew their faces (and their bodies too, of course), before they were even born.

 

So we didn’t have much choice. Well, unless I’d refused to look at all the imaging. But I was concerned about other things. Couldn’t care less if they were boys or girls. Just wanted them both to be healthy (and thankfully they were, and are—and their mom too).

 

Surprises only came later when “Twin A,” who all the docs had told us was going to be a girl, told us he was actually a boy.

[Gnarcore]

On 9/7/2020 at 10:21 AM, CBH1926 said:

Norway has the lowest recidivism rates amongst western nations.

Their prisons are very nice and even Breivik got 21 years in prison for killing 77 people.

The way the U.S system is set up you really have no choice but to return to life of crime.

 

But also what’s the proper punishment for crimes?

It depends on the individual I guess, me personally I operate under an eye for an eye belief system.

I offer very little forgiveness and your punishment would depend on the crime.

If the law doesn’t punish you enough, that leaves the door open for retribution.

The costs associated with such a 'system' don't warrant its use and it is of dubious effect in prevention when it involves the death penalty. 

[CBH1926]

5 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

The costs associated with such a 'system' don't warrant its use and it is of dubious effect in prevention when it involves the death penalty. 

Process is dragged out for years due to appeals. 

McVeigh was executed in under 4 years, while you have guys sitting on the death row 20 plus years.

As long as the process is done right to minimize errors and wrongfully convicted the recidivism rate is 0.

 

[Gurn]

27 minutes ago, CBH1926 said:

Process is dragged out for years due to appeals. 

McVeigh was executed in under 4 years, while you have guys sitting on the death row 20 plus years.

As long as the process is done right to minimize errors and wrongfully convicted the recidivism rate is 0.

 

Way too many errors to have a death penalty, about 4% according to this story from scientific America

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/many-prisoners-on-death-row-are-wrongfully-convicted/

"ust how many individuals on death row are incorrectly convicted? The question has dogged attorneys and civil rights advocates for years, but a simple answer is almost impossible because few wrongful cases are ever overturned. A new analysis is adding a level of much-needed detail, and it concludes that more than twice as many inmates were wrongly convicted and sentenced to death than have been exonerated and freed.
 
Borrowing a statistical method often used to evaluate whether new medical therapies help patients survive, a team of researchers has concluded that about 4.1 percent of criminal defendants who are sentenced to death are falsely convicted. The approach allows researchers to “actually come up with a valid estimate of the rate of false convictions—knowing something that people say [in criminal justice] is not knowable,” says study author Samuel Gross, a law professor at the University of Michigan Law School and editor of the National Registry of Exonerations, a U.S.-focused exoneration database. What makes the analysis possible is that data on the potential need for exoneration from death penalty cases come to light more often than it does for other types of criminal proceedings. All death sentences in the U.S. are based on crimes that include homicide.
 
The study, led by a team of lawyers and statisticians, examined data on both 7,482 defendants who were given death sentences between 1973 and 2004 and death row exonerations during that time. By applying survival analysis—a statistical method often used to calculate how well new treatments help patients survive—they determined how often a prisoner under threat of execution was exonerated. The method usually tracks patients to see if a new therapy prolongs the period of time until a person dies from the illness in question but it can also be applied to policy questions that have clear end points. In this study the end point of tracking was exoneration (being found innocent and freed) or the actual execution. “Survival” was defined as remaining in prison. The “therapy” here would be removal of the threat of execution.
 
Here’s how their analysis works. It says that if all death-sentenced defendants remained under this sentence indefinitely, as opposed to being taken off death row due to being resentenced to life in prison or their fate being artificially cut off by the study ending, then 4.1 percent of those prisoners would have otherwise been exonerated. (And being exonerated and freed by legal action here is used as the best proxy for innocence.) The analysis also takes into account other occurrences such as suicide or death of a prisoner from natural causes. The number of false convictions among the death-sentenced has been particularly hard to estimate, Gross says, because many prisoners who are on death row are eventually moved off of it but remain in prison, which often reduces their chances of exoneration.
 
The issue affects a significant number of people. Since 1973 144 death-sentenced defendants have been exonerated in the U.S. But Gross says that the analysis indicates that at least 340 people would have been put to death unjustly in that same time period. “There are no other reliable estimates of the rate of false conviction in any context,” the researchers wrote in the study, published online on April 28 in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.
 
The researchers also note that a 4.1 percent rate of false conviction is conservative, given that separate calculations gauging the accuracy of the assumptions that took an even more conservative stance—assuming that people who were executed had zero chance of false conviction and that the chances of exoneration after retrial would be twice that of people on death row—would still produce a larger figure than their 4.1 percent estimate. Although their analysis does not include data after 2004, the researchers note that they doubt that the use of DNA identification technology would have much impact on false conviction rates—because DNA evidence is primarily used in cases such as rape rather than homicide. Only about 13 percent of death row exonerations have resulted from DNA testing.
 
For more on death penalty considerations, see Scientific American’s editorial in the May edition of the magazine that details how the use of drugs to carry out capital punishment is inadvertently putting medical patients at risk."

 

And this link points out 171 people, since 1973 were exonerated of all charges that put them on death row.

https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/policy-issues/innocence

 

Given the fallibility of human judgment, there has always been the danger that an execution could result in the killing of an innocent person. Nevertheless, when the U.S. Supreme Court held the administration of the death penalty to be unconstitutional in 1972, there was barely any mention of the issue of innocence in the nine opinions issued. Although mistakes were surely made in the past, the assumption prevailed that such cases were few and far between. Almost everyone on death row was surely guilty.

However, as federal courts began to more thoroughly review whether state criminal defendants were afforded their guaranteed rights to due process, errors and official misconduct began to regularly appear, requiring retrials. When defendants were now afforded more experienced counsel, with fairly selected juries, and were granted access to scientific testing, some were acquitted and released. Since 1973, 171 former death-row prisoners have been exonerated of all charges related to the wrongful convictions that had put them on death row.

[RUPERTKBD]

This is why I'm against the death Penalty. David Milgaard, Troy Davis, Nathaniel Woods, the West Memphis Three.....

 

Humans have proven time and again that they can't be trusted with the power of life and death.

[Gnarcore]

1 hour ago, CBH1926 said:

Process is dragged out for years due to appeals. 

McVeigh was executed in under 4 years, while you have guys sitting on the death row 20 plus years.

As long as the process is done right to minimize errors and wrongfully convicted the recidivism rate is 0.

 

With appeals/court costs alone it isn't worth it. McVeigh waved that did he not?  

[Gnarcore]

5 minutes ago, RUPERTKBD said:

This is why I'm against the death Penalty. David Milgaard, Troy Davis, Nathaniel Woods, the West Memphis Three.....

 

Humans have proven time and again that they can't be trusted with the power of life and death.

Along with the FBI evidence scandal and bogus science resulting uncountable case convictions. 

 

 

[CBH1926]

41 minutes ago, Gnarcore said:

With appeals/court costs alone it isn't worth it. McVeigh waved that did he not?  

He appealed several times but after a while he said he didn’t want to do that.

[bishopshodan]

Iran, F*%K you. 

Navid Afkari: Iran executes young wrestler despite global outcry

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-54129949