BigTramFan Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 We have a bunch of RFA’s coming up next season. The value of our RFA’s is critical to what moves we can make in the off season. Here are my assessments of value at this stage: Boeser - $7m x 7 years Hutton - $3m x 4 years Motte - $1.6m x 4 years Leivo - $1.8m x 4 years Granlund - $1.5m x 2 years Gaunce - $1.0m x 4 years Goldobin - $1.75m x 1 year Demko - $2.0m for 3 years Pouliot – drift away buddy If we can get close to these values, we can have a good shot at offering Karlsson the sort of $ he is looking for: $12m x 7 years. Plus still have the cap space to sign Pettersson and Hughes in the future. UFA’s: Karlsson - $12m x 7 years Anders Lee - $5m x 3 years Edler – resign for $6m x 3 years Other moves: Schaller and Gagner to wherever for whatever Trade Sutter before 2019 TDL to a contender for a late 1st 3. After 1 July ask LE to waive NTC… To ARI: Eriksson ($1m retained by VAN) To VAN: 2020 3rd round pick After 1 July 2019, Loui’s $4m signing bonus has been paid by VAN. His contract has only $9m left to pay over 3 years. So he will cost ARI nothing in 2019-20, then only $3m per year in 2020-21 & 2021-22. Eriksson is still a very good defensive forward and can step up as a depth top 6 player for ARI. His cap hit to ARI is $6m for 3 years, but they have plenty of cap space. 2019-20 Lineup: Lee Pettersson Boeser Baer Horvat Leivo Roussel Beagle Motte Granlund Gaunce Virtanen Goldobin Edler Karlsson Hughes Tanev Hutton Gudbranson Stecher Biega Markstrom Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CRAZY_4_NAZZY Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Why would you commit to a fringe NHL player 4 years? Gaunce has had a good year in the AHL so far, but he hasn't seem to be able bring that same success to the Canucks. If anything its 1 year show me deals for him until he does something significant. After this season Hutton will get a good raise from his 2.8 mil, could even get another bridge deal to make sure this year is not an anamoly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 17 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Why would you commit to a fringe NHL player 4 years? Gaunce had a good year in the AHL, but he hasn't seem to bring that to the Canucks. If anything its 1 year show me deals for him until he does something significant. Because I view Gaunce as a great budget option as either 4C or 13th forward. We need to be spending our cap on top line F and D, not on $3-4m bottom 6 players. I think Gaunce is perfectly suited to that role. Defensively responsible. With Pettersson and Horvat leading offensively focused lines and Beagle leading a matchup line. Gaunce likely playing less than 10 mins/night 5v5 plus lots of PK. But this is a discussion thread. I’d welcome your thoughts on RFA values! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 minutes ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Why would you commit to a fringe NHL player 4 years? Gaunce has had a good year in the AHL so far, but he hasn't seem to be able bring that same success to the Canucks. If anything its 1 year show me deals for him until he does something significant. After this season Hutton will get a good raise from his 2.8 mil, could even get another bridge deal to make sure this year is not an anamoly. Hutton has arbitration rights and will be a UFA after next season. He has the leverage for his new contract. He can sign for a 1 year deal and then test free agency. He's relied on more than Gudbranson who is at 4M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Look at mr bean shoving Leivo after they scored a goal, classy my ass. &^@# the lames &^@# calgary &^@# goodrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Gudbranson show some toughness tonight pls lay out ratchuck and beat up hamonic again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Wrong thread lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 Leivo looking good tonight tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 Just now, Trebreh said: Wrong thread lol All good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, CRAZY_4_NAZZY said: Why would you commit to a fringe NHL player 4 years? Gaunce has had a good year in the AHL so far, but he hasn't seem to be able bring that same success to the Canucks. If anything its 1 year show me deals for him until he does something significant. After this season Hutton will get a good raise from his 2.8 mil, could even get another bridge deal to make sure this year is not an anamoly. His terms are a little off, I think Leivo will be more like 2.5 million based on how he's looking so far, and Demko is probably closer to about 1.25 million 1 or 2 year bridge. Overall though, I've seen a hell of a lot worse estimates on numbers in this forum! Would LOVE to have Karlsson here to mentor Hughes and Joulevi, but I'm not going to hold my breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, BigTramFan said: We have a bunch of RFA’s coming up next season. The value of our RFA’s is critical to what moves we can make in the off season. Here are my assessments of value at this stage: Boeser - $7m x 7 years Hutton - $3m x 4 years Motte - $1.6m x 4 years Leivo - $1.8m x 4 years Granlund - $1.5m x 2 years Gaunce - $1.0m x 4 years Goldobin - $1.75m x 1 year Demko - $2.0m for 3 years Pouliot – drift away buddy If we can get close to these values, we can have a good shot at offering Karlsson the sort of $ he is looking for: $12m x 7 years. Plus still have the cap space to sign Pettersson and Hughes in the future. UFA’s: Karlsson - $12m x 7 years Anders Lee - $5m x 3 years Edler – resign for $6m x 3 years Other moves: Schaller and Gagner to wherever for whatever Trade Sutter before 2019 TDL to a contender for a late 1st 3. After 1 July ask LE to waive NTC… To ARI: Eriksson ($1m retained by VAN) To VAN: 2020 3rd round pick After 1 July 2019, Loui’s $4m signing bonus has been paid by VAN. His contract has only $9m left to pay over 3 years. So he will cost ARI nothing in 2019-20, then only $3m per year in 2020-21 & 2021-22. Eriksson is still a very good defensive forward and can step up as a depth top 6 player for ARI. His cap hit to ARI is $6m for 3 years, but they have plenty of cap space. 2019-20 Lineup: Lee Pettersson Boeser Baer Horvat Leivo Roussel Beagle Motte Granlund Gaunce Virtanen Goldobin Edler Karlsson Hughes Tanev Hutton Gudbranson Stecher Biega Markstrom Demko Your term for some of these guys is a little long and a couple are a little off on a how much. Eriksson isn't going anywhere right now, we need him to offer to Seattle with a 2nd round pick to make him, their selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I'd walk away from Granlund and Gaunce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 I am good with 1m X 4 for Gaunce its good deterrent so that he will pass through waivers if someone does pick him up well good for him. I'd like to keep him around I feel like he is about to blossom into a rugged grinding shutdown specialist the type that could really come in handy during the playoffs, but won't tantalize anyone during the regular season enough to take much interest. I think Hutton gets 4m he is showing he has another level. I'd pay a lil more for Motte and Leivo on shorter deals. I think JB upgrades on Goldy and Granlund and they are both dealt before next season. Anders lee is a good target. I like your line up here is my fresh take.. Lee Pete Boeser Leivo Bo Loui Baer Sutter Gaudette Roussel Beagle Virtanen Motte Gaunce Edler Karlsson Hughes Tanev Hutton Gud Juolevi Stetcher Marky Demko I think JB holds onto Sutter to mentor Gaudette. Can never be too deep down the middle if you want to go far in the playoffs. Loui I think sticks around for next season or at least until one of Lind, Dahlen, 2019 draft pick, outwork him. Loui may be overpaid but he does a lot of the things out there that coaches like to see that most fans don't see. He has quietly been one of our top 5 fwds this year IMO Karlsson is a pipe dream but I like it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 1 hour ago, hammertime said: I am good with 1m X 4 for Gaunce its good deterrent so that he will pass through waivers if someone does pick him up well good for him. I'd like to keep him around I feel like he is about to blossom into a rugged grinding shutdown specialist the type that could really come in handy during the playoffs, but won't tantalize anyone during the regular season enough to take much interest. I think Hutton gets 4m he is showing he has another level. I'd pay a lil more for Motte and Leivo on shorter deals. I think JB upgrades on Goldy and Granlund and they are both dealt before next season. Anders lee is a good target. I like your line up here is my fresh take.. Lee Pete Boeser Leivo Bo Loui Baer Sutter Gaudette Roussel Beagle Virtanen Motte Gaunce Edler Karlsson Hughes Tanev Hutton Gud Juolevi Stetcher Marky Demko I think JB holds onto Sutter to mentor Gaudette. Can never be too deep down the middle if you want to go far in the playoffs. Loui I think sticks around for next season or at least until one of Lind, Dahlen, 2019 draft pick, outwork him. Loui may be overpaid but he does a lot of the things out there that coaches like to see that most fans don't see. He has quietly been one of our top 5 fwds this year IMO Karlsson is a pipe dream but I like it. You can’t afford Karlsson with that lineup. Keeping Sutter and Eriksson means that you could only offer Karlsson about $7m AAV and that would be a pipe dream. I admit your lineup (without Karlsson) is a lot more realistic tho! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigTramFan Posted February 10, 2019 Author Share Posted February 10, 2019 So concensus (haha yeah right, it’s CDC!) so far is perhaps: Everybody loves Loui so he stays Can’t afford Karlsson now and was very unlikely anyway If Karlsson isn’t coming then no need to jettison Sutter A Lee is possible UFA target, but may need to be more like $7m Some slightly different terms and values for RFAs: such as Boeser - $7m x 7 years Hutton - $4m x 4 years Motte - $1.75m x 2 years Leivo - $2.5m x 3 years Granlund - $1.5m x 2 years Gaunce - $1.0m x 4 years Goldobin - $1.75m x 1 year Demko - $1.5m x 2 years Pouliot – no thanks Possible lineup (not as excited about this one): Lee Petey Boes Baer Bo Leivo Roussel Sutter Virtanen Eriksson Beagle Motte Granlund Edler Tanev Hutton Stecher Hughes Guddy Brisebois Biega Markstrom Demko Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shiznak Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 Boeser can settle for 6M at 6 yrs, nothing more, nothing less. Hutton can sign a bridge deal worth 3M - 3.5M. I’m not committing to him long term based off one season. He needs to show he can be more consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 9 hours ago, BigTramFan said: You can’t afford Karlsson with that lineup. Keeping Sutter and Eriksson means that you could only offer Karlsson about $7m AAV and that would be a pipe dream. I admit your lineup (without Karlsson) is a lot more realistic tho! I'm good on Karlsson then. I wonder if WPG would be shopping Troubas rights?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeridebc Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 1) you're going to get 7 or 8 years on Boeser. Him and Petterson together as long as possible. 2) where I agree Hutton doesn't need a gigantic raise after one good season, he has arbitration rights. And could fetch more if he chooses to go that route imo. 3) Gaunce gone, Pouliot gone, Granland gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hammertime Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 3 hours ago, shiznak said: Boeser can settle for 6M at 6 yrs, nothing more, nothing less. Hutton can sign a bridge deal worth 3M - 3.5M. I’m not committing to him long term based off one season. He needs to show he can be more consistent. JB should definately play hard ball with Brock it's not like we need scoring or anything let him sit out the season and stew. Worked for Nylander. Hutton really worked his tail off and came into this season in beastly shape. Hes stepped up and is playing the most minutes on the team and playing them well. Let's give him a 0.2m raise on a bridge to show our appreciation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monty Posted February 10, 2019 Share Posted February 10, 2019 14 hours ago, BigTramFan said: Anders Lee - $5m x 3 years Why would a 28 year old forward, who had 40 goals last season, on pace for 27 goals this year and 57 points, take a 3 year term? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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