wai_lai416 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 6/14/2019 at 10:33 PM, Baggins said: Heatley, Kovalchuk….. Can you read? I said no one wants to sign with Atlanta and you posted 2 players that was drafted there and had no choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 hours ago, wai_lai416 said: Can you read? I said no one wants to sign with Atlanta and you posted 2 players that was drafted there and had no choice. Um, you also mentioned their terrible drafting.... On 6/14/2019 at 2:51 PM, wai_lai416 said: in Atlanta's case they were terrible at drafting.. Patrick stepan 1st overall Lehtonen 2nd overall etc etc.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wai_lai416 Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 42 minutes ago, Baggins said: Um, you also mentioned their terrible drafting.... then you should quote what you are referring to.. and yes it's still terrible drafting.. how many top 3 did they have? and they only ended with kovalychuk and heatley. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 minute ago, wai_lai416 said: then you should quote what you are referring to.. and yes it's still terrible drafting.. how many top 3 did they have? and they only ended with kovalychuk and heatley. Give it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 6/12/2019 at 5:31 PM, Tomatoes11 said: Um, I don’t think pissing away 2nd round picks for bottom 6 players will ever be the right strategy in any universe. Not sure how the Benning apologists can even defend this. You realize this is CDC right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 On 6/8/2019 at 6:16 PM, Baggins said: There lies the problem. We won't know for five years whether they did it right or not. Atlanta had top picks. No cups. Arizona has had top picks. No cups. So, there's no point in draft picks because you don't know right away if they turn out? Quick, lets trade 10th overall for another Linden Vey. 200 NHL games played is nothing to sneeze at. Also, Kings had top picks and 2 cups. Pens had top picks and 3 cups. Hawks had top picks and 3 cups. Let's ignore what has worked the best in the cap era because... Atlanta? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 (edited) On 6/15/2019 at 8:55 PM, Jimmy McGill said: yes, it all counts. Just the experience of being sent down and called back up matters for motivation. Gillis drained us of picks and prospects, its going to take time to fill that back up and we're almost back to where it should be, probably after this draft. Why would Benning trade away picks if not because they are not being developed? Recent rumors are he is shopping the #1 for a player, this is an affirmation of lack of confidence in drafting ability. If Benning has done such a great job over the last 5 years why is the team trading picks for other teams discards instead of pick and develop and have them make the team? Or over paying older vets giving them term and clauses? 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. Edited June 18, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Why would Benning trade away picks if not because they are not being developed? Recent rumors are he is shopping the #1 for a player, this is an affirmation of lack of confidence in drafting ability. If Benning has done such a great job over the last 5 years why is the team trading picks for other teams discards instead of pick and develop and have them make the team? Or over paying older vets giving them term and clauses? 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. We stopped trading away picks after the 2017 TDL (trading Hansen and Burr) didn't we? Before that I think JB was following the marching orders from the owner to retool. Those first few years of JB and the whole retool were definitely frustrating, but I see the team now rebuilding in the way IMO is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 13 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Why would Benning trade away picks if not because they are not being developed? Recent rumors are he is shopping the #1 for a player, this is an affirmation of lack of confidence in drafting ability. If Benning has done such a great job over the last 5 years why is the team trading picks for other teams discards instead of pick and develop and have them make the team? Or over paying older vets giving them term and clauses? 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. yeah... ALL CAPS. We're done. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 24 minutes ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: Why would Benning trade away picks if not because they are not being developed? Recent rumors are he is shopping the #1 for a player, this is an affirmation of lack of confidence in drafting ability. If Benning has done such a great job over the last 5 years why is the team trading picks for other teams discards instead of pick and develop and have them make the team? Or over paying older vets giving them term and clauses? 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. 7 top ten picks in 5 years when did this happens virt julolevi petterson hughes are those the fails you are talking about? because those are the top ten picks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 12 minutes ago, the grinder said: 7 top ten picks in 5 years when did this happens virt julolevi petterson hughes are those the fails you are talking about? because those are the top ten picks On the team full time, core. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 name the 7 top ten picks in 5 years then . we have had 4 not including this year pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 1 hour ago, ItTakesAnArmy said: On the team full time, core. name the 7 top ten picks then we have had 4 in 5 years not including this years pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 18, 2019 Share Posted June 18, 2019 16 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: So, there's no point in draft picks because you don't know right away if they turn out? Quick, lets trade 10th overall for another Linden Vey. 200 NHL games played is nothing to sneeze at. Also, Kings had top picks and 2 cups. Pens had top picks and 3 cups. Hawks had top picks and 3 cups. Let's ignore what has worked the best in the cap era because... Atlanta? Never said that. Altanta had top picks.... no cup. Let's ignore when it doesn't work. It's not so much about top picks as it is some elite talent and the team behind them. Two top picks don't winb cups. Teams do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadianRugby Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 hours ago, Baggins said: Never said that. Altanta had top picks.... no cup. Let's ignore when it doesn't work. Uh, it doesn't work for every team in the league except one. Every year. So does it not make sense to look at what succeeded opposed to the 29 that didn't? Atlanta doesn't prove anything other than that their drafting, trades, development, signings, coaching and a bunch of other things weren't good enough. High picks don't bail you out of ineptitude. 6 hours ago, Baggins said: It's not so much about top picks as it is some elite talent and the team behind them. Two top picks don't winb cups. Teams do. Wow teams win cups, that's brilliant. Thanks captain obvious for that cliché comment. Look at TEAMS that win cups in a cap era and how many of them have top picks leading them. LA LA CHI CHI CHI PIT PIT PIT In the end, you need elite players and it doesn't matter how you get them. It's just much easier to draft those guys with high picks than 2nd round picks. Especially if you're trading your 2nd round picks away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spur1 Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 11:32 AM, ItTakesAnArmy said: Why would Benning trade away picks if not because they are not being developed? Recent rumors are he is shopping the #1 for a player, this is an affirmation of lack of confidence in drafting ability. If Benning has done such a great job over the last 5 years why is the team trading picks for other teams discards instead of pick and develop and have them make the team? Or over paying older vets giving them term and clauses? 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. I take it math is not taught under the bridge. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IBatch Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 On 6/18/2019 at 1:32 PM, ItTakesAnArmy said: Why would Benning trade away picks if not because they are not being developed? Recent rumors are he is shopping the #1 for a player, this is an affirmation of lack of confidence in drafting ability. If Benning has done such a great job over the last 5 years why is the team trading picks for other teams discards instead of pick and develop and have them make the team? Or over paying older vets giving them term and clauses? 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. r Say what? Virtanen. McAan, Boeser, OJ, EP, Hughes ... am I missing someone? That’s four top ten picks all five or higher....what the heck are you talking about?? Of those guys name four failure please.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 23 hours ago, CanadianRugby said: Wow teams win cups, that's brilliant. Thanks captain obvious for that cliché comment. Some seem to need reminding. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) On 6/18/2019 at 6:32 PM, ItTakesAnArmy said: Why would Benning trade away picks if not because they are not being developed? Recent rumors are he is shopping the #1 for a player, this is an affirmation of lack of confidence in drafting ability. If Benning has done such a great job over the last 5 years why is the team trading picks for other teams discards instead of pick and develop and have them make the team? Or over paying older vets giving them term and clauses? 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. Its 5 drafts - 6 first rd picks and except for OJ all playing in the NHL (and OJ most likely only because he is injured). Of them 1 just won the Calder, 1 just missed out last year and 1 may be in contention this year... all while picking 2 5th OA, 1 6th OA, 1 7th OA, 1 23rd OA and 1 24th OA..... That equals to 4 Top 10 picks in his tenure in Vancouver. Please enlighten me, how many other team have drafted better in the 1st rd over this 5 year span, despite dropping in every lottery... Edited June 20, 2019 by spook007 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ItTakesAnArmy Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 (edited) On 6/19/2019 at 11:20 PM, spur1 said: I take it math is not taught under the bridge. the danger of copy and paste in haste ON the team though 5 YEARS, 6 DRAFTS, 7 TOP TEN FIRST ROUND PICKS AND ONLY 3 MAY BE CONSIDERED SURE THINGS, 4 FAILURES. Counted Horvat in successes. On the team picks playing to or exceeding the level of their draft position. Boeser - Pettersson - thats it so far, looks like Hughes will make the team. Team didn't like McCann traded away Jake is okay, should not have been #6 Juloevi - Not playing - Success? Hughes - Playing The Canucks need to hit a home run next year at the draft. Edited July 23, 2019 by ItTakesAnArmy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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