Lancaster Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Another nail in the coffee for HK democracy. About a million people protested... but the civic government doesn't listen to the people.... unless it's the People's Republic of China. https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/hong-kong-leader-signals-extradition-bill-will-go-forward-1.5168684 Hong Kong leader signals extradition bill will go forward Social Sharing Facebook Twitter Email Reddit LinkedIn Demonstrators packed Hong Kong's streets Sunday to protest bill The Associated Press · Posted: Jun 10, 2019 12:54 AM ET | Last Updated: 8 hours ago Protesters move a barricade on Sunday during a clash at Legislative Council after a rally against the extradition law proposal at the Central Government Complex in Hong Kong. (Anthony Kwan/Getty Images) 326 comments Hong Kong's leader signalled Monday that her government will push ahead with amendments to an extradition law despite a massive protest against them that underscored fears about China's broadening footprint in the semi-autonomous territory. Chief Executive Carrie Lam told reporters the legislation is important and will help Hong Kong uphold justice and fulfil its international obligations. Safeguards added in May will ensure that the legislation protects human rights, she said. In what appeared to be Hong Kong's largest protest in more than a decade, hundreds of thousands of people marched through central Hong Kong on Sunday, three days before the Legislative Council is slated to take up the bill. Hong Kong was guaranteed the right to retain its own social, legal and political systems for 50 years under an agreement reached before its 1997 return to China from British rule. But China's ruling Communist Party has been seen as increasingly reneging on that agreement by pushing through unpopular legal changes. This timelapse video shows the progression of protesters in Hong Kong on Sunday: CBC News Timelapse shows Hong Kong crowds gathering to protest WATCH 00:00 01:05 Hundreds of thousands of people gathered in Hong Kong to protest against a proposed extradition bill that would allow suspects to be sent to China to face trial. 1:05 The extradition bill amendments would allow Hong Kong to send people to mainland China to face charges, spurring criticism that defendants in the Chinese judicial system won't have the same rights as they would in Hong Kong. Opponents contend the proposed legislation could make Hong Kong residents vulnerable to vague national security charges and unfair trials. Agnes Chow, who is among a group of activists leading the opposition against the proposed amendments, said Monday the legislation is "very dangerous" to all Hong Kong residents as well as visitors from overseas, because anyone could be sent to mainland China — "a place without the rule of law, without protection of human rights and freedom." The legislation is also "destroying" Hong Kong's special status of having "one country, two systems," the rule of law and its special status as an international financial city, she said. Lam said Sunday's protest shows Hong Kong's enduring commitment to its people's freedoms. She denied that she is taking orders from the central government in China's capital. Chief Executive Carrie Lam said she had no plans to withdraw a controversial plan to allow extraditions to the Chinese mainland, a day after huge crowds came out to oppose the proposal. (Anthony Wallace/AFP/Getty Images) "I have not received any instruction or mandate from Beijing to do this bill," she said. "We were doing it — and we are still doing it — out of our clear conscience, and our commitment to Hong Kong." Hong Kong currently limits extraditions to jurisdictions with which it has existing agreements or to others on an individual basis under a law passed before 1997. China was excluded because of concerns over its poor record on legal independence and human rights. Hong Kong police clash with protesters opposing extradition bill Lam was elected in 2017 by a committee of mostly pro-Beijing Hong Kong elites. Critics have accused her of ignoring widespread opposition to the extradition law amendments. She said Monday that the bill seeks to prevent Hong Kong from becoming a haven for fugitives and is not focused on mainland China. Western democracies have accused Hong Kong of failing to address issues such as money laundering and terrorist financing, Lam said. Sunday's demonstration was mostly peaceful, though there were some late-night clashes between some remaining protesters and police. Three officers and one journalist were injured, according to Hong Kong media reports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chicken. Posted June 10, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 10, 2019 Screw China How many people need to protest something for them to be listened to? I heard the turnout numbers were about 1 million out of a 7 million population. Taiwan is learning 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Salami tactics. It's happening everywhere. You lose your freedoms slice by slice, until you don't have any. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Hong Kong - yet another victim of colonialism. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 16 minutes ago, Chicken. said: Screw China How many people need to protest something for them to be listened to? I heard the turnout numbers were about 1 million out of a 7 million population. Taiwan is learning Seems like the only govt in the world where the whole population could protest and nothing would change... The regime is literally turning China into a mass surveillance state like 1984.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Wait a sec..... Is CBC not fake news socialist communist fascist government propaganda anymore? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 Just waiting for the day that china wipes out taiwan.Dont think its gonna be very long till it happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken. Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Ronaldoescobar said: Wait a sec..... Is CBC not fake news socialist communist fascist government propaganda anymore? Oh it can be, this protest is widespread news though Some of the crowd pictures are unreal Edited June 10, 2019 by Chicken. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SabreFan1 Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Lancaster said: Another nail in the coffee for HK democracy. About a million people protested... but the civic government doesn't listen to the people.... unless it's the People's Republic of China. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drummer4now Posted June 10, 2019 Share Posted June 10, 2019 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Violator said: Just waiting for the day that china wipes out taiwan.Dont think its gonna be very long till it happens. Interesting how war can dramatically change political landscapes.. I wonder how long this version of China will last? Their polices of territorial expansion are slowly mimicking the former Japanese Empire. Edited June 10, 2019 by drummer4now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 54 minutes ago, Violator said: Just waiting for the day that china wipes out taiwan.Dont think its gonna be very long till it happens. And you want this why? Did someone from Taiwan beat you up or something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Ghostsof1915 Posted June 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted June 11, 2019 23 minutes ago, SabreFan1 said: I never noticed that! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 33 minutes ago, drummer4now said: Interesting how war can dramatically change political landscapes.. I wonder how long this version of China will last? Their polices of territorial expansion are slowly mimicking the former Japanese Empire. Took two nukes to stop japan.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: And you want this why? Did someone from Taiwan beat you up or something? My statement wasnt me being happy that it will happen just seems like it will be inevitable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 14 minutes ago, Violator said: My statement wasnt me being happy that it will happen just seems like it will be inevitable. The US 7th Fleet is in Japan. With 4 other Carrier Strike Groups with the 3rd Fleet. They coordinate with the 7th Fleet with the recent issues with North Korea. China has little experience in amphibious warfare. Basically much like the powder keg of North Korea, I think it would be suicide for China to take Taiwan by force. They would be better off trying for civil unrest and revolution to have the people of Taiwan want to reunite with China. Because basically once you open up on Taiwan. Things will escalate to places that folks don't really want to go. Worse, North Korea might get triggered into doing something equally stupid. China already is probably wary of North Korea and makes for an uncomfortable ally. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/taiwan’s-“nightmare”-looming-chinas-ability-invade-getting-stronger-35897 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Violator Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 36 minutes ago, Ghostsof1915 said: The US 7th Fleet is in Japan. With 4 other Carrier Strike Groups with the 3rd Fleet. They coordinate with the 7th Fleet with the recent issues with North Korea. China has little experience in amphibious warfare. Basically much like the powder keg of North Korea, I think it would be suicide for China to take Taiwan by force. They would be better off trying for civil unrest and revolution to have the people of Taiwan want to reunite with China. Because basically once you open up on Taiwan. Things will escalate to places that folks don't really want to go. Worse, North Korea might get triggered into doing something equally stupid. China already is probably wary of North Korea and makes for an uncomfortable ally. https://nationalinterest.org/blog/buzz/taiwan’s-“nightmare”-looming-chinas-ability-invade-getting-stronger-35897 I agree china doesnt have many battle tested forces if really any since what vietnam.I think the chinese governments views its citizens and troops as expendable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 2 hours ago, drummer4now said: Interesting how war can dramatically change political landscapes.. I wonder how long this version of China will last? Their polices of territorial expansion are slowly mimicking the former Japanese Empire. I don't see the similarity. Can you expand on this point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 1 hour ago, Violator said: Took two nukes to stop japan.... No, Japan had been stopped, they just wouldn't admit it. Too bad an offshore island couldn't have been nuked instead. Then send a cable saying the next one goes on a city. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingofsurrey Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 (edited) Yes , Hong Kong is the sinking ship.... and Vancouver is the guy jumping in the water to save them..... only to get pulled under ourselves. So sad. Two countries in the world i would never visit... spend a dime in... would be Israel and China. Edited June 11, 2019 by kingofsurrey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted June 11, 2019 Share Posted June 11, 2019 Just now, kingofsurrey said: Yes , Hong Kong is the sinking ship.... and Vancouver is the guy jumping in the water to save them..... only to get pulled under ourselves. ? Do you want to elaborate on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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