HorvatToBaertschi Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Any trade involving Marner, they’re getting Boeser or Horvat back. If JB could pull it off without any of our core (Hughes EP Boeser Bo Demko), he would be the greatest GM in franchise history. I’m not counting on it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) Marner for Tanev Virtanen Gaudette Sutter Edited August 11, 2019 by 70seven 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Just now, 70seven said: Marner for Tanev Juolevi Gaudette Sutter If you had a 80-90 point player in his early 20’s, would you trade him for 2 often injured over paid cap dumps, plus two alright prospects? Would you take that for Brock or Petey? Absolutely not, so why would the leafs? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
70seven Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Just now, drummerboy said: If you had a 80-90 point player in his early 20’s, would you trade him for 2 often injured over paid cap dumps, plus two alright prospects? Would you take that for Brock or Petey? Absolutely not, so why would the leafs? Nope. I hadn’t added the smiley yet. Obviously this won’t happen in any regard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 2 hours ago, IBatch said: Berger must be making sh$t up without even paying attention to what’s going on, one of the biggest moves made at the draft this year uses up our first - which we won’t have now to give Marner an offer sheet in the first place. Trading is a possibility but we don’t have the cap space to sign him, not even close, and nobodies taking anyone off our hands but our core players (nobody wanted any of our guys except the core guys last TDL and again at the draft). We’d lose Boeser and maybe Hughes for Marner or at least Boeser and Ferland..it would gut our team. No thanks - they can have Marner and his 11 million cap hit, would rather have Boeser and Ferland plus the sweetener (probably a first rounder). Well technically we could offer sheet Marner. We have 5 years to give the four picks... we don’t need next year’s pick. No idea how we could fit in a $10 million plus cap hit though. We would have to have a deal where we trade Boeser away and include some dead salary like Eriksson as part of that deal. Losing Boeser for under market rate because of a salary dump ANd losing four 1st round picks is a steep price to pay for even a great player like Marner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, HorvatToBaertschi said: Any trade involving Marner, they’re getting Boeser or Horvat back. If JB could pull it off without any of our core (Hughes EP Boeser Bo Demko), he would be the greatest GM in franchise history. I’m not counting on it At the very least Boeser would be going the other way, he'd be the major piece going back, along with Tanev/OJ, etc. Edited August 11, 2019 by aliboy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) On D moves, we are probably done... but a new story out of Finland says that Ristolainen wants a trade, and Buffalo wants to trade him. They want a 2nd line centre though and we don’t have one to give. Other teams would offer much more than we could. Maybe something like Tanev, Virtanen, Sutter, Plus a pick/prospect for Ristolainen, Sobotka (or similar players to even out money) Doesn’t seem near enough for a young D of his quality who is almost certain to improve once he isn’t relied on to play 28 minutes a night against top competition. Edited August 11, 2019 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: If you had a 80-90 point player in his early 20’s, would you trade him for 2 often injured over paid cap dumps, plus two alright prospects? Would you take that for Brock or Petey? Absolutely not, so why would the leafs? you want that poster to get real = you should get real. "cap dumps" = absurd. 'alright prospects' = 'alright'. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 14 minutes ago, oldnews said: you want that poster to get real = you should get real. "cap dumps" = absurd. 'alright prospects' = 'alright'. 53,42, 55. That’s how many games Tanev has played in the last 3 years at a 4.45 cap hit. Max 12 points and his d game has fallen super hard as well. He is still a decent player, but for what he provides, it’s a huge overpayment, and a borderline cap dump. Sutter. Cap dump. If you don’t agree, that’s on you and there is no point taking about it. He is over paid, never plays, doesn’t provide a thing. And yeah. They are alright prospects. Gaudette looks to maybe be a 3rd liner. Juolevi could be a good player still, but who knows right now. He isn’t a sure thing. He is an alright prospect. Not great. Not bad. Im sorry if I’m not using enough homer for you. Edited August 11, 2019 by drummerboy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, drummerboy said: 53,42, 55. That’s how many games Tanev has played in the last 3 years at a 4.45 cap hit. Max 12 points and his d game has fallen super hard as well. He is still a decent player, but for what he provides, it’s a huge overpayment, and a borderline cap dump. Sutter. Cap dump. If you don’t agree, that’s on you and there is no point taking about it. He is over paid, never plays, doesn’t provide a thing. And yeah. They are alright prospects. Gaudette looks to maybe be a 3rd liner. Juolevi could be a good player still, but who knows right now. He isn’t a sure thing. He is an alright prospect. Not great. Not bad. Im sorry if I’m not using enough homer for you. Tanev evaluation is plain laughable. Using "cap hit" to determine that an injured player is a "huge overpayment" is about as weak as it gets - a player's cap hit does not apply when they are on I.R. You're trying too hard to sandbag a player that is EASILY worth his cap hit. So is your pretense to top out Gaudette as a 3rd liner. You must be from the future. Use all the crap-goggles from the future you want - that's not 'realism' - it's just arrogant negativity. Edited August 11, 2019 by oldnews 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putgolzin Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 3 hours ago, IBatch said: Berger must be making sh$t up without even paying attention to what’s going on, one of the biggest moves made at the draft this year uses up our first - which we won’t have now to give Marner an offer sheet in the first place. Trading is a possibility but we don’t have the cap space to sign him, not even close, and nobodies taking anyone off our hands but our core players (nobody wanted any of our guys except the core guys last TDL and again at the draft). We’d lose Boeser and maybe Hughes for Marner or at least Boeser and Ferland..it would gut our team. No thanks - they can have Marner and his 11 million cap hit, would rather have Boeser and Ferland plus the sweetener (probably a first rounder). In thinking through this further, and in light of the fact that none of the big names who follow him have picked up on this (bobbymac, Friedland, even eklund!) ... maybe Berger was the biggest name the Marner camp could use as a pawn to try and knock something loose with bogus info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Tanev + our 3 smallest players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.B Cooper Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 31 minutes ago, oldnews said: Tanev evaluation is plain laughable. Using "cap hit" to determine that an injured player is a "huge overpayment" is about as weak as it gets - a player's cap hit does not apply when they are on I.R. You're trying too hard to sandbag a player that is EASILY worth his cap hit. So is your pretense to top out Gaudette as a 3rd liner. You must be from the future. Use all the crap-goggles from the future you want - that's not 'realism' - it's just arrogant negativity. Ok. You are right. The 40-50 fair at best games Tanev plays is totally awesome. He is easily worth almost 4.5 mill. And as we see every single year, it is super easy for a team to have to fill that spot on the go. Over playing our other awesome dmen always worked, and we can always make great trades to get a replacement. And Gaudette is a first liner. Probably a guarantee too for 30 goals a year right? 5th rounder. 3rd line center sure is a crap result for him. I always get a kick out of people who get silly over someone not thinking every Canuck is amazing. Im sorry, but Tanev kinda sucks the last couple years and no I don’t think he is worth his contract. Years ago it was great, but he can’t stay healthy. His game and body are very obviously breaking down fast. He was awesome years ago and he sacrificed his body for the team. It he should have been traded years ago when he still had some value. And for real, how is 3rd line Center not a fair assessment of for Gaud? He hasn’t shown much at the NHL level yet. He probably won’t even be with the team to start the year. 3rd isn’t an insult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dombrova22 Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Boeser + Virtanen + Gaudette + Juolevi + 1st and they might listen. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, drummerboy said: Tanev... a borderline cap dump. Sutter. Cap dump. Tanev on an expiring contract and Sutter with two years left, nothing but "cap dumps". So just to "get rid" of them we'd have to include picks, probably retain, and get nothing back. Really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 11 minutes ago, Dombrova22 said: Boeser + Virtanen + Gaudette + Juolevi + 1st and they might listen. So four 1st round picks, including two already producing in the NHL, one of which is already a top young RW in the league. Compared to an offer sheet for four 1sts which won't even all be drafted for another five years, which is considered a very high cost. Then compared to a single CONDITIONAL 1st for a 60 point player which is called an "overpayment"? Good grief, what's in the air this morning. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Provost Posted August 11, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 11, 2019 1 hour ago, oldnews said: Tanev evaluation is plain laughable. Using "cap hit" to determine that an injured player is a "huge overpayment" is about as weak as it gets - a player's cap hit does not apply when they are on I.R. You're trying too hard to sandbag a player that is EASILY worth his cap hit. So is your pretense to top out Gaudette as a 3rd liner. You must be from the future. Use all the crap-goggles from the future you want - that's not 'realism' - it's just arrogant negativity. If Oldnews and I agree on something, clearly it is for a reason. Tanev may have lower value now than ever... but if he was a UFA on the market, he would certainly get or exceed his current cap hit on a 1 year deal (what he has remaining). He is by no means a cap dump and still a very steadying force on a blue line. Sutter is also worth about his cap hit and is not a pure money dump. He is an excellent 3rd line centre, and paying low on him in a trade could return a team a good dividend if he was healthy this season. Gaudette is a 3rd liner right now, but we have no idea if that is his ceiling. They aren't premier pieces by any means, but they aren't Eriksson cap dumps as none of them would make it through waivers. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brocklovich Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 Depending on what the price is for Risto I could see that being a decent buy low (at least lower than usual) type trade. Either way Vancouver has to send salary out & offer sheeting Marner who wants 10+ doesn't make sense with the other moves made this offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 (edited) 2 hours ago, Provost said: Well technically we could offer sheet Marner. We have 5 years to give the four picks... we don’t need next year’s pick. No idea how we could fit in a $10 million plus cap hit though. We would have to have a deal where we trade Boeser away and include some dead salary like Eriksson as part of that deal. Losing Boeser for under market rate because of a salary dump ANd losing four 1st round picks is a steep price to pay for even a great player like Marner. we could. The F group would be set for years so from that pov losing the picks would be fine, its really on the d prospect side where we'd be taking the risk, particularly if there's no room left for a guy like Barrie. All of the current major d prospects would have to work out, all 4 of Hughes, Juolevi, Woo and Rathbone would have to make the team and be solid contributors. Its possible but risky. Its just is Marner worth 4 1sts + 11 mil per year? dunno that anyone's worth that. But man that F group would be something special if Podkolzin turned out to be someone that should have gone 3rd or 4th oa. Miller-Petey-Marner Podkolzin-Bo-Boeser Edited August 11, 2019 by Jimmy McGill 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freeridebc Posted August 11, 2019 Share Posted August 11, 2019 I think it would be along the lines of Tanev + Boeser+ Gaudette+ one of Dipietro or demko and a first Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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