coastal.view Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 Just now, DeNiro said: The numbers are what matters in contract negotiations. Leivo was traded for a career AHLer. That was his first consistent stretch of his career. Hardly a strong case. believe what you want his numbers were earned early and then almost nothing later no one will accept that his numbers are real but you can if you wish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 minutes ago, coastal.view said: believe what you want his numbers were earned early and then almost nothing later no one will accept that his numbers are real but you can if you wish I’d love to see Benning going into a negotiation with “Goldys numbers weren’t real” so we’re going to pay him an arbitrary number that we like... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: The numbers are what matters in contract negotiations. Leivo was traded for a career AHLer. That was his first consistent stretch of his career. Hardly a strong case. Maybe having the coach say “”this is a guy who deserves ice time. And for this reason?”” And also weighs in on? Whether he is likely to make it. Or not? Ek’s coach, a notorious hard ass, says things like “he gets it.” Factors in on whether the GM gives an extra 1/2 mill. Ek is a Jay Beagle, minus the scrum after every whistle. Who may still develop into. JT Miller. 210lb guy who can play on any line, any position. PK, win a puck battle. Backcheck, fore check, hawk passing lanes. Goldobin has not been doing any of those things when he does not score. Goldys coach says as much, that he has to. Disagree that Goldy’s points on their own warrant a similar contract. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Canuck Surfer said: Maybe having the coach say “”this is a guy who deserves ice time. And for this reason?”” And also weighs in on? Whether he is likely to make it. Or not? Ek’s coach, a notorious hard ass, says things like “he gets it.” Factors in on whether the GM gives an extra 1/2 mill. Ek is a Jay Beagle, minus the scrum after every whistle. Who may still develop into. JT Miller. 210lb guy who can play on any line, any position. PK, win a puck battle. Backcheck, fore check, hawk passing lanes. Goldobin has not been doing any of those things when he does not score. Goldys coach says as much, that he has to. Disagree that Goldy’s points on their own warrant a similar contract. Of course management is going to be coming with their own numbers. However negotiations all come down to comparables. His agent will be able to find many that says he should be making around 1.5 mil. Benning has already stated they want to get him signed. So the coach can’t be that against his game. They must see room for development. Edited August 22, 2019 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostsof1915 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 3 hours ago, DeNiro said: Still think Boston making three picks in a row and not choosing Boeser, Barzal or Connor is funnier. Poetic justice I call it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 20 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I’d love to see Benning going into a negotiation with “Goldys numbers weren’t real” so we’re going to pay him an arbitrary number that we like... what negotiations? he has presented a qualifying offer goldy can sign it or sit (or did you forget leivo had arbitration rights) Edited August 22, 2019 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, coastal.view said: what negotiations? he has presented a qualifying offer goldy can sign it or sit (or did you forget leivo had arbitration rights) Or play in Russia. If it was as simple as signing a QO it would have been done. An arbitrator wouldn’t have given Leivo more than he got. Probably less. Edited August 22, 2019 by DeNiro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 5 hours ago, DeNiro said: Still think Boston making three picks in a row and not choosing Boeser, Barzal or Connor is funnier. U wot? Boston could have had all three of those with their three picks in a row? Shiver me timbers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastaj Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 21 hours ago, mll said: ErikssonEk's strength is his defensive game. He didn't have a good start to the season but when Koivu went down with injury he stepped up into that shutdown role. He played bottom-6 with no PP time but plays on the PK. Goldobin was used in an offensive role. 21 hours ago, theo5789 said: Tell Goldobin to play some defense, throw a couple hits a game and play some center and maybe he can ask for more. I fully agree with both of these statements - but it's not me that has to be convinced, it's Goldobin's agent. And they will use any and all comparables to get their client the best deal possible. All I am saying is that, while we all think that Goldobin isn't worth a $1.5mil average salary, I can't see any way that he realistically signs for that or less, given the other contracts out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 29 minutes ago, Mastaj said: I fully agree with both of these statements - but it's not me that has to be convinced, it's Goldobin's agent. And they will use any and all comparables to get their client the best deal possible. All I am saying is that, while we all think that Goldobin isn't worth a $1.5mil average salary, I can't see any way that he realistically signs for that or less, given the other contracts out there. Is Goldobin's agent still Larionov? If so, he fully knows his client has a lot of work to do. If he wants a comparable, Virtanen put up 25 points last season playing very little with top 6 forwards and has vastly improved his defensive game while being a physical presence (one of the top hitters on our team). He makes 1.25 million. It can be argued that Jake had 20 points in the year that he signed, but he still added more to his game than Goldobin did. Virtanen has shown he can be an everyday player. Goldobin hasn't. He got 63 games last year to prove himself, so hard to argue that he wasn't given the opportunity to and he played with some of the top players on the team to pad his stats too. His game isn't well rounded enough to produce the offense that he does, plus he's on the verge of being AHL fodder. I do think Goldy has more to offer and would like to see him breakout, but a one year deal at 1-1.25 million should be the most he's looking at. I'm not opposed to 1.5 million should we have the cap space, but don't think he's worth that at all and no more than a 1 year deal then. I'll give him a 2 year deal if he signs for 1-1.25 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 13 hours ago, BrockBoester said: U wot? Boston could have had all three of those with their three picks in a row? Boston's Picks: 13. Zboril 14. DeBrusk 15. Senyshyn Right after: 16. Barzal 17. Connor 18. Chabot 21. C. White 23. Boeser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastaj Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 39 minutes ago, theo5789 said: Is Goldobin's agent still Larionov? If so, he fully knows his client has a lot of work to do. If he wants a comparable, Virtanen put up 25 points last season playing very little with top 6 forwards and has vastly improved his defensive game while being a physical presence (one of the top hitters on our team). He makes 1.25 million. It can be argued that Jake had 20 points in the year that he signed, but he still added more to his game than Goldobin did. Virtanen has shown he can be an everyday player. Goldobin hasn't. He got 63 games last year to prove himself, so hard to argue that he wasn't given the opportunity to and he played with some of the top players on the team to pad his stats too. His game isn't well rounded enough to produce the offense that he does, plus he's on the verge of being AHL fodder. I do think Goldy has more to offer and would like to see him breakout, but a one year deal at 1-1.25 million should be the most he's looking at. I'm not opposed to 1.5 million should we have the cap space, but don't think he's worth that at all and no more than a 1 year deal then. I'll give him a 2 year deal if he signs for 1-1.25 million. I would love to see this, and I think should be the max that he gets too! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrockBoester Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, mephnick said: Boston's Picks: 13. Zboril 14. DeBrusk 15. Senyshyn Right after: 16. Barzal 17. Connor 18. Chabot 21. C. White 23. Boeser Yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, mephnick said: Boston's Picks: 13. Zboril 14. DeBrusk 15. Senyshyn Right after: 16. Barzal 17. Connor 18. Chabot 21. C. White 23. Boeser DeBrusk was a good pick the other 2 not so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 2 hours ago, theo5789 said: Is Goldobin's agent still Larionov? If so, he fully knows his client has a lot of work to do. If he wants a comparable, Virtanen put up 25 points last season playing very little with top 6 forwards and has vastly improved his defensive game while being a physical presence (one of the top hitters on our team). He makes 1.25 million. It can be argued that Jake had 20 points in the year that he signed, but he still added more to his game than Goldobin did. Virtanen has shown he can be an everyday player. Goldobin hasn't. He got 63 games last year to prove himself, so hard to argue that he wasn't given the opportunity to and he played with some of the top players on the team to pad his stats too. His game isn't well rounded enough to produce the offense that he does, plus he's on the verge of being AHL fodder. I do think Goldy has more to offer and would like to see him breakout, but a one year deal at 1-1.25 million should be the most he's looking at. I'm not opposed to 1.5 million should we have the cap space, but don't think he's worth that at all and no more than a 1 year deal then. I'll give him a 2 year deal if he signs for 1-1.25 million. No longer Larionov - he changed agents in April. He's now with Newport agency. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted August 22, 2019 Share Posted August 22, 2019 6 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: DeBrusk was a good pick the other 2 not so much. They got Pastrnak @24 (?) the previous draft, so they did okay. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mephnick Posted August 23, 2019 Share Posted August 23, 2019 2 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: DeBrusk was a good pick the other 2 not so much. Yeah. He's still mostly worse than everyone on the other list IMO. We'll see how Colin White develops Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mastaj Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 8/22/2019 at 1:36 PM, theo5789 said: Is Goldobin's agent still Larionov? If so, he fully knows his client has a lot of work to do. If he wants a comparable, Virtanen put up 25 points last season playing very little with top 6 forwards and has vastly improved his defensive game while being a physical presence (one of the top hitters on our team). He makes 1.25 million. It can be argued that Jake had 20 points in the year that he signed, but he still added more to his game than Goldobin did. Virtanen has shown he can be an everyday player. Goldobin hasn't. He got 63 games last year to prove himself, so hard to argue that he wasn't given the opportunity to and he played with some of the top players on the team to pad his stats too. His game isn't well rounded enough to produce the offense that he does, plus he's on the verge of being AHL fodder. I do think Goldy has more to offer and would like to see him breakout, but a one year deal at 1-1.25 million should be the most he's looking at. I'm not opposed to 1.5 million should we have the cap space, but don't think he's worth that at all and no more than a 1 year deal then. I'll give him a 2 year deal if he signs for 1-1.25 million. I have to say I am pleasantly surprised at Goldobin signing for a $900,000, 1-year deal! Maybe Larionov got your message 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theo5789 Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 1 minute ago, Mastaj said: I have to say I am pleasantly surprised at Goldobin signing for a $900,000, 1-year deal! Maybe Larionov got your message Me too, great show-me deal. Larionov isn't his agent anymore though, but hopefully someone got the memo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted September 4, 2019 Share Posted September 4, 2019 On 8/23/2019 at 6:47 AM, mephnick said: Boston's Picks: 13. Zboril 14. DeBrusk 15. Senyshyn Right after: 16. Barzal 17. Connor 18. Chabot 21. C. White 23. Boeser Yes, they roasted themselves with those picks. They had done their own mini rebuild including trading Looch, getting one of those firsts. But they made up for it other years. They drafted Charlie McAvoy 14th overall 2016. A strong argument can be made he is the best D that draft year. And can laugh we picked McCann the pick before they selected Pastrnak. Pastrnak is one of the greatest picks in the mid 20's of the 1st round ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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