San Francisco council calls NRA 'domestic terrorist organisation

[Baer.]

Maybe San Francisco should clean the mounds of garbage and human waste off its streets and fixes the rampant homeless epidemic before it starts throwing rocks at other people.

[Warhippy]

9 hours ago, mpt said:

Wow, that isn’t biased at all.

 

The NRA exists because american’s want the 2nd amendment, not because they control the government. Just like how planned parenthood exists because people want abortions.

The NRA once existed and was formed to purport gun control and safe usage of guns after the US civil war, it's founders were shocked at the callous misuse of weapons and ammo during the civil war and founded the group based on the idea of teaching kids and armed citizens on proper care and use of their weapons.  That didn't change until 1968.  Since then it has become one of the most powerful lobbies in America changing under Harlan Carter and the historic "revolt in Cincinnati"

 

The NRA has been effectively behind some of the most damning legislation regarding religious freedoms and gun ownership in America ever since and as labeled one of the most powerful and effective lobbies in American politics.  So in essence they absolutely control the government.

 

As for planned parenthood...planned parenthood came about in 1916 as a birth control and care clinic for single mothers and scared teenagers morphing in to a safe sex and testing clinic in the late 70s almost entirely unfunded by the government until the late 60s under Nixons Title X programs.

 

You really need to actually know what you're talking about before claiming some sort of knowledge on a subject....

[48MPHSlapShot]

I consider anybody that pushes the idea that San Francisco has anything of relevance to say about anything a terrorist. 

[Baer.]

10 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

The National Rifle Association (NRA) is more a political lobby than sportsmen's organization. It has spent over $3 million per year since 2013 to keep gun policies in an antiquated state despite the fact that  more Americans have died from gun violence (over 1.5 million) than from all the wars since the Revolution, and now want some form of gun control. A sensible reading of the 2nd Amendment would restrict purchase of equipment designed for mass murder: large clips, military grade semi-and fully automatic rifles, and ammunition for the same, which could be as easily tracked as over-the-counter medication. Yet none of it will be regulated while the NRA effectively controls the GOP. While not a branch of government, the NRA has enormous impact on American life by coercing politicians and voters with money and intimidation, and restricting our safety and public health. 

 

 

https://www.change.org/p/declare-nra-a-supporter-of-domestic-terrorism

The unfortunate yet misleading part about this is suicides. 2/3s of all gun related deaths in 2018 were suicides.

[Baer.]

5 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The NRA once existed and was formed to purport gun control and safe usage of guns after the US civil war, it's founders were shocked at the callous misuse of weapons and ammo during the civil war and founded the group based on the idea of teaching kids and armed citizens on proper care and use of their weapons.  That didn't change until 1968.  Since then it has become one of the most powerful lobbies in America changing under Harlan Carter and the historic "revolt in Cincinnati"

 

The NRA has been effectively behind some of the most damning legislation regarding religious freedoms and gun ownership in America ever since and as labeled one of the most powerful and effective lobbies in American politics.  So in essence they absolutely control the government.

 

As for planned parenthood...planned parenthood came about in 1916 as a birth control and care clinic for single mothers and scared teenagers morphing in to a safe sex and testing clinic in the late 70s almost entirely unfunded by the government until the late 60s under Nixons Title X programs.

 

You really need to actually know what you're talking about before claiming some sort of knowledge on a subject....

The NRA absolutely controls the government. You actually said that. And you're the one saying you know what you're talking about. 

[Baer.]

14 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Yes...because believing a "podcast" that speaks glowingly and severely about the "dark money cabal" and birthing programs of the liberal elite in America is totally worth believing.

 

As for doing what to themselves.  I guess you're not on the side that is against fascism or nazis but instead are on the side of these "fine people"

 

"My domestic terrorist group is better than your domestic terrorist group!!!"

 

[Warhippy]

57 minutes ago, Baer. said:

The NRA absolutely controls the government. You actually said that. And you're the one saying you know what you're talking about. 

Sorry did I say they control the government?  Or did I say as a lobby they absolutely control the government?

 

Please let me know which I stated and explain why the distinction is so important

 

55 minutes ago, Baer. said:

"My domestic terrorist group is better than your domestic terrorist group!!!"

 

The moment your group is white supremacists, fascists or nazis you're damned rights my group is better than yours.  We settled that debate back in 1944 and to this day I know dozens of good old boys that would open it in a moment to resettle it like any self respecting human being should.

 

While Antifa is reprehensible in their actions.  Anyone should betechnically anti fascist.  Because if you're just saying antifa is bad and not taking in to context why they exist you're kind of painting your reasoning in an obvious light and should seek some spiritual guidance as to why anti fascists make you so upset

Edited September 5, 2019 by Warhippy

[Toews]

Terrorist is a buzz word. Between politicians using it as a rallying cry for votes or justification for war and the media sensationalizing it for mass consumption, its been built up into the ultimate boogeyman. Now politicians and a lot of the public is trying to stretch the definition to include any idiot/thug in a mask/hood.

 

This is just grandstanding for attention, IMO the lowest form of politics. Taking an already polarizing issue and coming up with a controversial stance for the attention that it generates, making a pretense that you are doing something to combat the problem when you are likely only doing the advertising for the group you are taking a stance against.

 

How long before we are using the word terrorist in every day context, '"That man is such a terrorist, he terrorized me with his words!!!"

Edited September 5, 2019 by Toews

[Tortorella's Rant]

NRA fan boys proved they aren't by threatening violence

Kinda when you say Muslims are dangerous crazy killers and then the extreme ones threaten to kill you to prove they aren't that

[Toews]

2 minutes ago, Tortorella's Rant said:

NRA fan boys proved they aren't by threatening violence

Kinda when you say Muslims are dangerous crazy killers and then the extreme ones threaten to kill you to prove they aren't that

There are only a few cold blooded killers. The rest are just a bunch of cowards behind their keyboards who can't get laid.

[HerrDrFunk]

Cool. &^@# the NRA. 

[Lancaster]

8 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

There is no other country that the US compares more closely to than Canada, in so many ways.  But we don't have the NRA or the belief that he have to have it written into our constitution that it is our right to all own guns, and we don't have anywhere near the amount of gun violence that the US has. Why is it so hard for them to understand that if they  took the same attitude that we have towards guns, their number of guns deaths would decrease dramatically?

There are gun rights advocacy groups in Canada, but tiny compared to the NRA.

 

As for a 2A equivalent.... I believe there used to be some rights in the Charter or whatever many decades ago.  The Supreme Courts nullified them.  

(I'm not a lawyer or legal expert... so correct me if I'm incorrect).  

[JM_]

9 hours ago, Captain Canuck #12 said:

There is no other country that the US compares more closely to than Canada, in so many ways.  But we don't have the NRA or the belief that he have to have it written into our constitution that it is our right to all own guns, and we don't have anywhere near the amount of gun violence that the US has. Why is it so hard for them to understand that if they  took the same attitude that we have towards guns, their number of guns deaths would decrease dramatically?

we're very lucky on that front. Canada doesn't have a constitutional right to gun ownership, its a privilege. That hasn't stopped our much weaker gun lobby from trying to spin it that way but it landed with the large thud it deserved. 

[JM_]

57 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

There are gun rights advocacy groups in Canada, but tiny compared to the NRA.

 

As for a 2A equivalent.... I believe there used to be some rights in the Charter or whatever many decades ago.  The Supreme Courts nullified them.  

(I'm not a lawyer or legal expert... so correct me if I'm incorrect).  

Yeah you'd think the NFA members would look at the US and think its not a good idea, but some folks just plain nutty about their guns. 

 

its never really been a thing here. It was pretty vague and was quashed in 1885.

 

The reasons are both funny and sad at the same time. One's a joke about Americans and the other is a sad statement on First Nations treatment.

 

During his tenure as prime minister, Macdonald generally opposed new gun laws, arguing that "citizens needed arms to protect themselves from American criminals who crossed into Canada," wrote Brown.

 

And even though the British Bill of Rights declared a guarantee of arms to men "for their defence suitable to their condition," the federal government declared that right invalid in 1885, because it deemed aboriginal peoples incapable of full citizenship and didn't want to afford them such a right.

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/is-gun-ownership-a-legal-right-in-canada-1.2723893

[ItsAllOursBoys]

2 hours ago, kingofsurrey said:

Are you seriously comparing the death / violence impacted  by the NRA to the Antifa... ?   Wow, that is amazing .  Do you even follow the mass shooting trend in the USA ?  Do you read a newspaper / online or print -  or watch the news ?

That's a false equivalency if there ever was one. Such an argument shows a basic misunderstanding of the nature of both the NRA and Antifa.

 

The NRA as an organization wasn't birthed out of death and violence, but support for the individual freedom of peaceful, law-abiding citizens.  Unlike Antifa, the socialist/communist para-military organization that was specifically created for the purpose of using fear, intimidation and violence to create anarchy and overthrow society. Antifa claims to be anti-fascist, yet they use the exact same tactics as fascists do in order to control those they subjugate and intimidate.

 

The NRA's support for the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with some idiot shooting up a mall or theater. Its a false narrative and straw-man argument to suggest that the NRA is knowingly and willingly supporting and/or putting guns into the hands of mentally deranged individuals. Close loopholes in the law? That's a discussion they can have but 100% of law abiding individuals always obey the law. 

 

A good starting place would be to enforce the laws already on the books. We're all for keeping guns out of the hands of mentally deranged individuals, but infringing on the personal freedom and rights of millions and millions of law-abiding Americans who own guns because isn't away to do it. If the.01 of 1% that are mentally deranged decide to break the law, another law isn't going to prevent them from acts of violence and murder. 

 

Historically speaking, as a nation moves from personal liberty and freedom to totalitarianism (Soviet Russia, 1938 Germany, 1944 Eastern Block Countries, 1959 Cuba), one of the final steps is repressive or complete gun control - THAT sir, is something that is really amazing!

[HerrDrFunk]

3 minutes ago, ItsAllOursBoys said:

That's a false equivalency if there ever was one. Such an argument shows a basic misunderstanding of the nature of both the NRA and Antifa.

 

The NRA as an organization wasn't birthed out of death and violence, but support for the individual freedom of peaceful, law-abiding citizens.  Unlike Antifa, the socialist/communist para-military organization that was specifically created for the purpose of using fear, intimidation and violence to create anarchy and overthrow society. Antifa claims to be anti-fascist, yet they use the exact same tactics as fascists do in order to control those they subjugate and intimidate.

 

The NRA's support for the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with some idiot shooting up a mall or theater. Its a false narrative and straw-man argument to suggest that the NRA is knowingly and willingly supporting and/or putting guns into the hands of mentally deranged individuals. Close loopholes in the law? That's a discussion they can have but 100% of law abiding individuals always obey the law. 

 

A good starting place would be to enforce the laws already on the books. We're all for keeping guns out of the hands of mentally deranged individuals, but infringing on the personal freedom and rights of millions and millions of law-abiding Americans who own guns because isn't away to do it. If the.01 of 1% that are mentally deranged decide to break the law, another law isn't going to prevent them from acts of violence and murder. 

 

Historically speaking, as a nation moves from personal liberty and freedom to totalitarianism (Soviet Russia, 1938 Germany, 1944 Eastern Block Countries, 1959 Cuba), one of the final steps is repressive or complete gun control - THAT sir, is something that is really amazing!

Meanwhile, you gloss over all the democracies that do have strict gun control laws like Australia, Britain, Finland and Japan. 

[Lancaster]

2 minutes ago, HerrDrFunk said:

Meanwhile, you gloss over all the democracies that do have strict gun control laws like Australia, Britain, Finland and Japan. 

Different context and different cultures.  

I drop my wallet in NYC, it's immediately gone.

I drop my wallet in Tokyo, they'll call my business card to return it.

 

Vastly different scenarios, but a more polite and respectful society tends to not to shoot each other.  

[Warhippy]

12 minutes ago, ItsAllOursBoys said:

That's a false equivalency if there ever was one. Such an argument shows a basic misunderstanding of the nature of both the NRA and Antifa.

 

The NRA as an organization wasn't birthed out of death and violence, but support for the individual freedom of peaceful, law-abiding citizens.  Unlike Antifa, the socialist/communist para-military organization that was specifically created for the purpose of using fear, intimidation and violence to create anarchy and overthrow society. Antifa claims to be anti-fascist, yet they use the exact same tactics as fascists do in order to control those they subjugate and intimidate.

 

The NRA's support for the 2nd amendment has nothing to do with some idiot shooting up a mall or theater. Its a false narrative and straw-man argument to suggest that the NRA is knowingly and willingly supporting and/or putting guns into the hands of mentally deranged individuals. Close loopholes in the law? That's a discussion they can have but 100% of law abiding individuals always obey the law. 

 

A good starting place would be to enforce the laws already on the books. We're all for keeping guns out of the hands of mentally deranged individuals, but infringing on the personal freedom and rights of millions and millions of law-abiding Americans who own guns because isn't away to do it. If the.01 of 1% that are mentally deranged decide to break the law, another law isn't going to prevent them from acts of violence and murder. 

 

Historically speaking, as a nation moves from personal liberty and freedom to totalitarianism (Soviet Russia, 1938 Germany, 1944 Eastern Block Countries, 1959 Cuba), one of the final steps is repressive or complete gun control - THAT sir, is something that is really amazing!

The NRA was created to teach people how to use guns responsibly post civil war.  It had nothing to do with "personal freedoms" or civil liberties until the 70s

 

The NRA then morphed in to the largest and most successful lobby group in Washington, the phrase "follow the money" barely preceded them.  As we all know money greases wheels and lobbyists have more power in Washington than politicians we know what that means.

 

As for "as a nation moves from x to y" you're wrong.  It starts with an election or grab at power and ends with someone desperate to cling to power.  Removing guns has never and will never be the issue.  Because at no point in time would Heinz's ruger have ever held off the gd weirmacht just like billy jo bobs .30 would hold off any us police or military force...

 

As an after thought look at what is and has been happening in America since 2001.  How many freedoms have been lost?  The big brother state is well underway and at no point in time has anyones guns ever been at risk.  In fact the gun fans are currently pushing for more losses of personal freedoms whether they know it or not by supporting governments that keep taking power and money from the people and giving it to the elite few.  But that's nothing like a move towards totalitarianism because it's called a capitalist democracy right?

[HerrDrFunk]

Just now, Lancaster said:

Different context and different cultures.  

I drop my wallet in NYC, it's immediately gone.

I drop my wallet in Tokyo, they'll call my business card to return it.

 

Vastly different scenarios, but a more polite and respectful society tends to not to shoot each other.  

Do we really need to have a whole back and forth about how easy access to guns makes a difference, again?

[Kragar]

4 minutes ago, Lancaster said:

Different context and different cultures.  

I drop my wallet in NYC, it's immediately gone.

I drop my wallet in Tokyo, they'll call my business card to return it.

 

Vastly different scenarios, but a more polite and respectful society tends to not to shoot each other.  

Yep, it's a different world in Japan.  I once saw a woman in Tokyo put her purse down on the steps of a building before going inside. She left it there, where anyone walking by could grab it.  She was not standing by the door... she was inside doing other things.

 

And, someone on my team left her purse in the taxi.  Had no trouble getting it back, a couple hours later.  interesting place, for sure.