Coronavirus outbreak

[The Lock]

6 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Yuh. It's what this comment chain was referring to. 

I would appreciate links. Like stuff outside of this thread that supports your argument. I want to form my own opinion.

 

Also, a single doctor in an opinion piece article isn't exactly "our media starting to out this". I just want to see more tangible evidence of things.

Edited March 22, 2022 by The Lock

[Alflives]

54 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Smh. 

 

As the article and data stated, age was the determining factor. They presented no benefit for anyone under 50.  And for those over 50, cloth masks were useless and surgical masks reduced spread by 11%

 

Ooooh.  That's worth a mandate. A mandate that yup, allowed totally useless cloth masks. 

 

But more importantly the study was conducted well before omicron spread throughout the world. 

 

It was astounding that we kept the mandates as long as we did considering the long proven data. It should have been put on individuals long ago. 

 

The doctor's conclusions are sound. 

 

Wear a mask in high risk settings or if you feel like they help. Like in the hospital. If you feel particularly sick then stay home. 

 

The nanny state apparatus that failed us anyway wasn't needed. Probably not ever considering the data. 

 

Ps. Bangladesh never installed an enforced mask use policy. Prob. because they knew it wasn't worth the bother. 

 

What?  You're actually advocating for it to be a person's choice to wear a mask in high risk settings, like hospitals and care homes?  

Do you live in Alberta?  

 

[Cerridwen]

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Edited March 22, 2022 by Cerridwen

[King Heffy]

33 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

I think the Bangladesh case made it simple. It should have been an individual policy. For surgical masks or n95s. 

 

Instead cloth masks were pushed. But they were useless. So the public was spreading it as if they were maskless. 

 

We were being agitated about useless policy for years and then it was kept far too long even after omicron made it even more useless. So wtf?

 

At least our media is starting to out this. 

Let's put this into terms we can all understand.  The cloth masks are the equivalent of Halak.  The n95s are the equivalent of Demko.  You don't go with six skaters the whole game when Demko needs a rest.  While not as effective, Halak still stops enough to be an update over no goalie.

[Alflives]

29 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I'm done with this dense masks don't work bs.  

 

Show us the actual articles where they say masks are useless.   Not some opinion piece of some jagoff doctor who links to an article that says in the abstract that mask wearing can improve public health.   As in they are NOT USELESS. 

 

 

I wonder if the antivaxxers would wear masks if those masks were previously soaked in urine?  Might be worth a study.  

[Cerridwen]

53 minutes ago, JM_ said:

hindsight is so neat. 

Ain't it just....

[Alflives]

2 minutes ago, Cerridwen said:

Ain't it just....

Where do these crazy antivaxxers come from?  How many people can actually be dropped on their heads as babies?  

[TOMapleLaughs]

16 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

Let's put this into terms we can all understand.  The cloth masks are the equivalent of Halak.  The n95s are the equivalent of Demko.  You don't go with six skaters the whole game when Demko needs a rest.  While not as effective, Halak still stops enough to be an update over no goalie.

Years-old data stated cloth masks were akin to an empty net. 

 

Not good. Esp. when people were prompted to bicker and fight over such uselessness for these years. 

[TOMapleLaughs]

20 minutes ago, Alflives said:

What?  You're actually advocating for it to be a person's choice to wear a mask in high risk settings, like hospitals and care homes?  

Do you live in Alberta?  

 

Read the article yet?

[TOMapleLaughs]

40 minutes ago, The Lock said:

I would appreciate links. Like stuff outside of this thread that supports your argument. I want to form my own opinion.

 

Also, a single doctor in an opinion piece article isn't exactly "our media starting to out this". I just want to see more tangible evidence of things.

Other people in the thread have managed to read what was referred to. Pls. also read, then comment?

[TOMapleLaughs]

55 minutes ago, thedestroyerofworlds said:

I'm done with this dense masks don't work bs.  

 

Show us the actual articles where they say masks are useless.   Not some opinion piece of some jagoff doctor who links to an article that says in the abstract that mask wearing can improve public health.   As in they are NOT USELESS. 

 

 

The doctor cited the largest study available on the subject. 

 

As cited, Cloth masks are useless. Surgical masks reduced spread among those over 50. By 11%.  Under 50 they were found to present no benefit. 

 

Bangladesh, home of the study in question, then installed no enforced mask mandate. Why enforce it when it presents little to no benefit?  Why force it on the whole public when certainly the whole public didn't need it?

 

We have been haunting the populace over it for no viable reason, and have been instructed to tell ourselves and others lies about it or face penalties. 

 

In the name of 'science'. Which is as we fully know is a fn crock. 

 

It's not good. 

Edited March 22, 2022 by TOMapleLaughs

[The Lock]

38 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Other people in the thread have managed to read what was referred to. Pls. also read, then comment?

I did read and comment. It's not like you've really provided much here. Also, I don't really see people agreeing with you either.

 

You're literally hooked on opinion pieces, not even factual evidence.

Edited March 22, 2022 by The Lock

[TOMapleLaughs]

2 minutes ago, The Lock said:

I did read and comment. It's not like you've really provided much here. Also, I don't really see people agreeing with you either.

 

You're literally hooked on opinion pieces, not even factual evidence.

Dude, if it's opinion based on fact then it's also fact. 

 

But i guess we're just too entrenched in the lies we were told to believe in order to see this. 

 

I'm wasting my time here, I know. But i enjoy pointing out massive scale fallacy. 

[-Vintage Canuck-]

B.C. COVID-19 pandemic update:

 

As of Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 90.8% (4,525,621) of eligible people five and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 87.1% (4,339,973) have received their second dose.

 

In addition, 93.4% (4,329,816) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine, 91.0% (4,217,052) received their second dose and 57.1% (2,646,447) have received a third dose.

 

Also, 93.8% (4,054,932) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose, 91.4% (3,952,848) received their second dose and 58.9% (2,547,329) have received a third dose.

 

B.C. is reporting 259 new cases of COVID-19, for a total of 354,343 cases in the province.

 

Note: The numbers of new and total cases are provisional due to a delayed data refresh.

 

The new cases include:

• Fraser Health: 47
• Vancouver Coastal Health: 63
• Interior Health: 76
• Northern Health: 23
• Island Health: 50
• People who reside outside of Canada: zero

There are 254 individuals hospitalized with COVID-19 and 48 are in intensive care.

 

In the past 24 hours, no new deaths have been reported, for an overall total of 2,974.

 

There have been no new health-care facility outbreaks. The outbreaks at Ponderosa (Interior Health), Berwick House Gordon Head and Luther Court (Island Health) have been declared over, for a total of five facilities with ongoing outbreaks, including:

 

long-term care:

• Hillside Village (Interior Health)
• The Heights at Mt. View, Yucalta Lodge and Selkirk Seniors Village (Island Health)

acute care:

• Surrey Memorial Hospital (Fraser Health)

assisted or independent living:

• none

From March 14-20, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 16.2% of cases. From March 7-20, they accounted for 26.2% of hospitalizations.

 

Past week cases (March 14-20) - Total 1,403

• Not vaccinated: 202 (14.4%)
• Partially vaccinated: 25 (1.8%)
• Fully vaccinated: 1,176 (83.8%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (March 7-20) - Total 344

• Not vaccinated: 80 (23.3%)
• Partially vaccinated: 10 (2.9%)
• Fully vaccinated: 254 (73.8%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (March 14-20)

• Not vaccinated: 58.0
• Partially vaccinated: 16.8
• Fully vaccinated: 25.2

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (March 7-20

• Not vaccinated: 22.5
• Partially vaccinated: 9.1
• Fully vaccinated: 5.4

Since December 2020, the Province has administered 11,453,778 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer Pediatric COVID-19 vaccines.

 

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022HLTH0093-000396

[RUPERTKBD]

32 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

The doctor cited the largest study available on the subject. 

 

As cited, Cloth masks are useless. Surgical masks reduced spread among those over 50. By 11%.  Under 50 they were found to present no benefit. 

 

Bangladesh, home of the study in question, then installed no enforced mask mandate. Why enforce it when it presents little to no benefit?  Why force it on the whole public when certainly the whole public didn't need it?

That's not how I read the study. (linked to in the article in the NP. See below for the URL)

 

Quote

 

In villages randomized to surgical masks (N = 200), the relative reduction was 11.1% overall (adjusted prevalence ratio = 0.89 [0.78, 1.00]). The effect of the intervention is most concentrated among the elderly population; in surgical mask villages, we observe a 35.3% reduction in symptomatic seroprevalence among individuals ≥60 years old (adjusted prevalence ratio = 0.65 [0.45, 0.85]). We see larger reductions in symptoms and symptomatic seropositivity in villages that experienced larger increases in mask use. No adverse events were reported.

CONCLUSION

A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.

 

https://www.science.org/doi/full/10.1126/science.abi9069

 

What I also found interesting was the fact that the doctor in the NP article claimed that the study found "little to no effect" with the use of cloth masks, but after reading the study through a couple of times, I can find no such "finding".....

[The Lock]

10 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Dude, if it's opinion based on fact then it's also fact. 

 

But i guess we're just too entrenched in the lies we were told to believe in order to see this. 

 

I'm wasting my time here, I know. But i enjoy pointing out massive scale fallacy. 

No. Opinions are not facts. Opinons are opinions. Opinons can be right or wrong. Let's look at the actual google definition of opinion: "A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." So even google disagrees with you here. Don't believe me? Google "opinion meaning"

 

How about we also look up what "fact" means? All 3 of the meanings Google provides is relevant but one is especially relevant here: "the truth about events as opposed to interpretation." What you're reading is the interpretation, not the facts.

 

So even just googling this stuff, it outright proves you wrong on what you think a fact is. Thanks for the laughs though?

 

 

 

[Alflives]

1 hour ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Read the article yet?

Dropped on your head?  

[johngould21]

17 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

B.C. COVID-19 pandemic update:

 

As of Tuesday, March 22, 2022, 90.8% (4,525,621) of eligible people five and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine and 87.1% (4,339,973) have received their second dose.

 

In addition, 93.4% (4,329,816) of eligible people 12 and older in B.C. have received their first dose of COVID-19 vaccine, 91.0% (4,217,052) received their second dose and 57.1% (2,646,447) have received a third dose.

 

Also, 93.8% (4,054,932) of all eligible adults in B.C. have received their first dose, 91.4% (3,952,848) received their second dose and 58.9% (2,547,329) have received a third dose.

 

B.C. is reporting 259 new cases of COVID-19, for a total of 354,343 cases in the province.

 

Note: The numbers of new and total cases are provisional due to a delayed data refresh.

 

The new cases include:

• Fraser Health: 47
• Vancouver Coastal Health: 63

Interior Health: 76

• Northern Health: 23
• Island Health: 50
• People who reside outside of Canada: zero

There are 254 individuals hospitalized with COVID-19 and 48 are in intensive care.

 

In the past 24 hours, no new deaths have been reported, for an overall total of 2,974.

 

There have been no new health-care facility outbreaks. The outbreaks at Ponderosa (Interior Health), Berwick House Gordon Head and Luther Court (Island Health) have been declared over, for a total of five facilities with ongoing outbreaks, including:

 

long-term care:

• Hillside Village (Interior Health)
• The Heights at Mt. View, Yucalta Lodge and Selkirk Seniors Village (Island Health)

acute care:

• Surrey Memorial Hospital (Fraser Health)

assisted or independent living:

• none

From March 14-20, people not fully vaccinated accounted for 16.2% of cases. From March 7-20, they accounted for 26.2% of hospitalizations.

 

Past week cases (March 14-20) - Total 1,403

• Not vaccinated: 202 (14.4%)
• Partially vaccinated: 25 (1.8%)
• Fully vaccinated: 1,176 (83.8%)

Past two weeks cases hospitalized (March 7-20) - Total 344

• Not vaccinated: 80 (23.3%)
• Partially vaccinated: 10 (2.9%)
• Fully vaccinated: 254 (73.8%)

Past week, cases per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (March 14-20)

• Not vaccinated: 58.0
• Partially vaccinated: 16.8
• Fully vaccinated: 25.2

Past two weeks, cases hospitalized per 100,000 population after adjusting for age (March 7-20

• Not vaccinated: 22.5
• Partially vaccinated: 9.1
• Fully vaccinated: 5.4

Since December 2020, the Province has administered 11,453,778 doses of Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna, AstraZeneca and Pfizer Pediatric COVID-19 vaccines.

 

https://news.gov.bc.ca/releases/2022HLTH0093-000396

Surprise, surprise! Kelowna over the weekend, no masks, it's like a big middle finger to the rest of us. Of course a certain poster on this thread is OK with that, because they are useless anyway!

[TOMapleLaughs]

18 minutes ago, The Lock said:

No. Opinions are not facts. Opinons are opinions. Opinons can be right or wrong. Let's look at the actual google definition of opinion: "A view or judgment formed about something, not necessarily based on fact or knowledge." So even google disagrees with you here. Don't believe me? Google "opinion meaning"

 

How about we also look up what "fact" means? All 3 of the meanings Google provides is relevant but one is especially relevant here: "the truth about events as opposed to interpretation." What you're reading is the interpretation, not the facts.

 

So even just googling this stuff, it outright proves you wrong on what you think a fact is. Thanks for the laughs though?

 

 

 

Smh. The article cites facts. Enough bunk arguments. 

[thedestroyerofworlds]

47 minutes ago, TOMapleLaughs said:

Smh. The article cites facts. Enough bunk arguments. 

READ the CONCLUSION 

 

It has been posted numerous times.  Mask wearing improves public health.   That is not masks are useless.   It's the opposite of useless.   

 

The Arkansas study using data from the beginning of the school year demonstrates that masks work.  Fewer cases in school employees and students in districts that mandated masks.   You are just plain wrong and it has been clearly demonstrated as such.

 

Try again. 

 

 

 

CONCLUSION

A randomized-trial of community-level mask promotion in rural Bangladesh during the COVID-19 pandemic shows that the intervention increased mask usage and reduced symptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infections, demonstrating that promoting community mask-wearing can improve public health.