[Trade] Canucks trade Adam Gaudette to Blackhawks for Matthew Highmore

[Dazzle]

1 hour ago, wallstreetamigo said:

Why after a couple of games are you assuming he is a poor fit in Chicago though?

 

There are any number of reasons he could be out of their lineup right now. Maybe they are taking extra care with him if his conditioning after covid is not 100%. Maybe they want to see him in some practices to figure out where they see him fitting in the lineup. Maybe they have other guys they want to see play.

 

I find it hard to believe that they would have traded for him if they were then going to determine he is as useless as you suggest after a handful of games.

 

I know people have to justify trading low on him any way they can to prop up Benning but lets give him more than a few games.

 

Chicago is really good at putting players in positions and with linemates that play to their strengths and minimize their weaknesses.

I'm not assuming. Three games with 7 minutes of ice time is a bad start so far.

 

Also the Chicago myth is that they know how to use their players to their advantage. Clearly, this is not the case. Dylan Strome has been a fairly regular scratch so far. Our Highmore has been out of their lineup, yet we have maximized use of him. Gaudette isn't utilized. Chicago is no different than any other team..

[Dazzle]

Just now, iinatcc said:

I still think Vancouver have up too early on Gaudette. He's going to be a good player like how McCann is now. 

 

I remember Pierre Maguire during a TSN 1040 interview before Gaudette joined the team that Canucks fans should be excited for Gaudette and we should "buckle up". And Maguire was the same guy who was right about Markus Naslund 

3 games, 7 minutes, 1 assist.

 

Ok.

[wallstreetamigo]

29 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

I'm not assuming. Three games with 7 minutes of ice time is a bad start so far.

 

Also the Chicago myth is that they know how to use their players to their advantage. Clearly, this is not the case. Dylan Strome has been a fairly regular scratch so far. Our Highmore has been out of their lineup, yet we have maximized use of him. Gaudette isn't utilized. Chicago is no different than any other team..

You are assuming the only possible reason he hasnt played is because Chicago thinks he is garbage like Benning does.

 

Chicago is one of the best teams at getting full advantage out of of their players. And of trading high on them if they dont see them as a long term fit. Stark contrast to the Canucks actually who are one of the worst teams in the league in that regard. They sell low regularly on players.

[wallstreetamigo]

What people don't seem to understand is that Highmore and Gaudette are different players. Highmore replaced Gaudette only because the Canucks wanted him to be a bottom 6 defensive forward, which he is clearly miscast as at this point.

 

No one can ever convince me that Jimmy Vesey playing on the top line is any kind of improvement over what giving Gaudette a chance there would have been. Gaudette was notoriously snake bitten this year but he probably would have been able to produce some offense there.

 

Essentially Vesey is the one who replaced Gaudette. And he has done nothing with it.

[combover]

7 hours ago, Dazzle said:

For all the overrated praise Gaudette gets, he's played 7 minutes in his first game and scratched for two games straight. Meanwhile,. Highmore has been playing 15+ minutes in all zones.

 

Gaudette was a poor fit for Vancouver. And it's debatable whether he's even a fit for Chicago. A bottomfeeding team keeping Gaudette out of the lineup.  I think that says a lot about his game.

Calling Chicago a bottom feeder when there above us in the standings. lol.

Highmore couldn’t crack there line up yet as you point out he gets 15 minutes here . So who’s the real bottom feeder. 


 

[Dazzle]

19 minutes ago, combover said:

Calling Chicago a bottom feeder when there above us in the standings. lol.

Highmore couldn’t crack there line up yet as you point out he gets 15 minutes here . So who’s the real bottom feeder. 


 

So you're saying they're not a bottom feeder?

 

We're one of the bottom feeding teams, FYI. Anyone on this list is a bottom feeder, minus Seattle. Also, asking for a friend, how many games has Gaudette played 15+ minutes?

 

Pick	Team	Record	Pts	PPG	RW	Streak	L10	Top 2	#1 Ovr
1	Buffalo	13-29-7	33	0.674	10	Lost 1	4-5-1	34.9%	18.5%
2	Anaheim	14-27-7	35	0.729	9	Lost 4	3-6-1	26.5%	13.5%
3	Seattle							22.8%	11.5%
4	New Jersey	14-27-7	35	0.729	11	Lost 10	0-9-1	19.1%	9.5%
5	Columbus	15-25-10	40	0.800	11	Lost 9	1-7-2	17.2%	8.5%
6	Ottawa	18-27-4	40	0.816	14	Won 1	5-5-0	15.3%	7.5%
7	Detroit	17-25-8	42	0.840	15	Lost 1	4-3-3	13.3%	6.5%
8	San Jose	18-24-5	41	0.872	12	Lost 8	1-8-1	12.3%	6.0%
9	Los Angeles	17-22-6	40	0.889	15	Lost 2	3-7-0	9.3%	4.5%
10	Calgary	21-24-3	45	0.938	18	Lost 1	5-5-0	7.3%	3.5%
11	Vancouver	19-20-3	41	0.976	13	Lost 1	5-4-1	6.3%	3.0%
12	Arizona Forfeited	21-22-5	47	0.979	17	Won 1	3-7-0	5.2%	2.5%
13	Chicago	22-21-5	49	1.021	14	Lost 1	5-5-0	4.2%	2.0%
14	Philadelphia	22-19-7	51	1.062	14	Won 1	4-4-2	3.2%	1.5%
15	Nashville	26-21-2	54	1.102	18	Won 1	6-3-1	2.1%	1.0%
16	NY Rangers	25-18-6	56	1.143	22	Won 2	7-2-1	1.1%	0.5%

Edited April 27, 2021 by Dazzle

[combover]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

So you're saying they're not a bottom feeder?

 

We're one of the bottom feeding teams, FYI. Anyone on this list is a bottom feeder, minus Seattle. Also, asking for a friend, how many games has Gaudette played 15+ minutes?

 

Pick	Team	Record	Pts	PPG	RW	Streak	L10	Top 2	#1 Ovr
1	Buffalo	13-29-7	33	0.674	10	Lost 1	4-5-1	34.9%	18.5%
2	Anaheim	14-27-7	35	0.729	9	Lost 4	3-6-1	26.5%	13.5%
3	Seattle							22.8%	11.5%
4	New Jersey	14-27-7	35	0.729	11	Lost 10	0-9-1	19.1%	9.5%
5	Columbus	15-25-10	40	0.800	11	Lost 9	1-7-2	17.2%	8.5%
6	Ottawa	18-27-4	40	0.816	14	Won 1	5-5-0	15.3%	7.5%
7	Detroit	17-25-8	42	0.840	15	Lost 1	4-3-3	13.3%	6.5%
8	San Jose	18-24-5	41	0.872	12	Lost 8	1-8-1	12.3%	6.0%
9	Los Angeles	17-22-6	40	0.889	15	Lost 2	3-7-0	9.3%	4.5%
10	Calgary	21-24-3	45	0.938	18	Lost 1	5-5-0	7.3%	3.5%
11	Vancouver	19-20-3	41	0.976	13	Lost 1	5-4-1	6.3%	3.0%
12	Arizona Forfeited	21-22-5	47	0.979	17	Won 1	3-7-0	5.2%	2.5%
13	Chicago	22-21-5	49	1.021	14	Lost 1	5-5-0	4.2%	2.0%
14	Philadelphia	22-19-7	51	1.062	14	Won 1	4-4-2	3.2%	1.5%
15	Nashville	26-21-2	54	1.102	18	Won 1	6-3-1	2.1%	1.0%
16	NY Rangers	25-18-6	56	1.143	22	Won 2	7-2-1	1.1%	0.5%

Gaudette played 15 minutes a game about as many time as highmores deserved (earned) to play 15 minutes a game. 
he getting played to justify and try to hide the fact he’s a huge downgrade. 

Remember  the old JB earn ice time bs 

Hes playing with Miller on the second line lol how many times was gaudette gifted second line minutes.
He was stranded playing with Ar sutter shocking his stats weren’t better. 
take the blinders off and have a look. 
Big Mac earned/ deserves the ice time more the Highmore.

Just like Magna was gifted ice  he played lots here doesn’t mean he was a good player. 
 

[Nucksownyou]

5 hours ago, combover said:

Calling Chicago a bottom feeder when there above us in the standings. lol.

Highmore couldn’t crack there line up yet as you point out he gets 15 minutes here . So who’s the real bottom feeder. 


 

Neither can Gaudette.

[iinatcc]

8 hours ago, Dazzle said:

3 games, 7 minutes, 1 assist.

 

Ok.

And probably still recovering from having Covid. Apparently he had it worst than any of the players.

 

Once he's back to 100% I wouldn't be surprised if he becomes another Dylan Strome for the Hawks (in terms of showing his potential for them)

Edited April 27, 2021 by iinatcc

[Azzy]

9 hours ago, Dazzle said:

I'm not assuming. Three games with 7 minutes of ice time is a bad start so far.

 

Also the Chicago myth is that they know how to use their players to their advantage. Clearly, this is not the case. Dylan Strome has been a fairly regular scratch so far. Our Highmore has been out of their lineup, yet we have maximized use of him. Gaudette isn't utilized. Chicago is no different than any other team..

If zero points in four games is "maximising use" of Matthew Highmore, then the Canucks may as well just be honest with fans and admit that this team is rebuilding.

 

Four games - three of them against one of the worst teams this league has seen in the last 30 years - and zero offense. He's yet to actually do anything of substance or value. I'd rather have sent Gaudette to Chicago for Future Considerations and promoted Jonah Gadjovich. And not claimed Jimmy Vesey, but promoted Kole Lind.

 

Hell, why is a guy with absolutely nothing to contribute getting any ice time at all when we have Sven Baertschi, shadow-of-his-former-self as he is, being left to rot in Utica?

 

Give Highmore's minutes to Gadjovich, or Lind, or Baertschi, or Loui Eriksson, or ask Travis Green to lace them up again - but for the love of God, stop wasting ice time on people who cannot play at this level. 10 points in 77 career games, there are much better options within the system.

[Dazzle]

45 minutes ago, Azzy said:

If zero points in four games is "maximising use" of Matthew Highmore, then the Canucks may as well just be honest with fans and admit that this team is rebuilding.

 

Four games - three of them against one of the worst teams this league has seen in the last 30 years - and zero offense. He's yet to actually do anything of substance or value. I'd rather have sent Gaudette to Chicago for Future Considerations and promoted Jonah Gadjovich. And not claimed Jimmy Vesey, but promoted Kole Lind.

 

Hell, why is a guy with absolutely nothing to contribute getting any ice time at all when we have Sven Baertschi, shadow-of-his-former-self as he is, being left to rot in Utica?

 

Give Highmore's minutes to Gadjovich, or Lind, or Baertschi, or Loui Eriksson, or ask Travis Green to lace them up again - but for the love of God, stop wasting ice time on people who cannot play at this level. 10 points in 77 career games, there are much better options within the system.

There's more to hockey than just scoring. He's not hurting the team, in the same way that Gaudette had, with his defensive lapses.

[Azzy]

1 hour ago, Dazzle said:

There's more to hockey than just scoring. He's not hurting the team, in the same way that Gaudette had, with his defensive lapses.

So rather than ice a competitive team for 60 mins, the Canucks should simply aim for 45 minutes of being competitive and what, play boring trap hockey for 15 minutes?

 

If Benning is serious about trying to be a successful hockey team he needs to put Gadjovich, Lind, Rathbone, Lockwood and Jasek onto this team next season and stop celebrating mediocrity through the likes of Highmore, Vesey, Hawryluk, Michaelis and Graovac. 

 

What made the 2011 bottom six so special wasn't their skill level - it was their determination and fanaticism. Manny Malhotra was the perfect third line center. Raffi Torres was a dynamo. Jannik Hansen was McDavid-fast. Max Lapierre was everywhere. Tanner Glass tried his best to overcome his limited ability. Cody Hodgson was young and skilled. Chris Higgins was a great forechecker.

 

Only two of this year's bottom six would have a chance at cracking the 2011 bottom six: Tyler Motte and Zack MacEwen. Not Sutter, Boyd, Beagle, Hawryluk, Vesey, Highmore, Michaelis, Bailey, Virtanen or Roussel. It's time to get away from these meat and potatoes guys and start injecting some youth, some passion, some desperation. You just know that Gadjovich would run through brick walls to get 10 games at the end of this season. Imagine how focussed Kole Lind is going to be now he's been called up.

 

There is absolutely no way our young prospects could do any worse than the mess that is our bottom six. Wind them up, let them go, there will be bad moments and some good moments. The key will be to ensure we don't trade promising young forwards for AHL depth like we did with Gaudette.

[Timråfan]

5 hours ago, Dazzle said:

There's more to hockey than just scoring. He's not hurting the team, in the same way that Gaudette had, with his defensive lapses.

I like it when fans see the defensive side in players.

So you want Loui back also? 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Timråfan

[Bad_BOI_pete]

27 minutes ago, Azzy said:

So rather than ice a competitive team for 60 mins, the Canucks should simply aim for 45 minutes of being competitive and what, play boring trap hockey for 15 minutes?

 

If Benning is serious about trying to be a successful hockey team he needs to put Gadjovich, Lind, Rathbone, Lockwood and Jasek onto this team next season and stop celebrating mediocrity through the likes of Highmore, Vesey, Hawryluk, Michaelis and Graovac. 

 

What made the 2011 bottom six so special wasn't their skill level - it was their determination and fanaticism. Manny Malhotra was the perfect third line center. Raffi Torres was a dynamo. Jannik Hansen was McDavid-fast. Max Lapierre was everywhere. Tanner Glass tried his best to overcome his limited ability. Cody Hodgson was young and skilled. Chris Higgins was a great forechecker.

 

Only two of this year's bottom six would have a chance at cracking the 2011 bottom six: Tyler Motte and Zack MacEwen. Not Sutter, Boyd, Beagle, Hawryluk, Vesey, Highmore, Michaelis, Bailey, Virtanen or Roussel. It's time to get away from these meat and potatoes guys and start injecting some youth, some passion, some desperation. You just know that Gadjovich would run through brick walls to get 10 games at the end of this season. Imagine how focussed Kole Lind is going to be now he's been called up.

 

There is absolutely no way our young prospects could do any worse than the mess that is our bottom six. Wind them up, let them go, there will be bad moments and some good moments. The key will be to ensure we don't trade promising young forwards for AHL depth like we did with Gaudette.

the last time we injected all the youth was 2016/2017 even before they were ready, that turned out great didn't it.

 

some players start thier career at the age of 24 for example Bieksa and Burrows. we got what 6 guys under the age of 24? let petey hughes develop before we bring more youth. Lind podkolzin and rathbone are up next, but we likely only see podkolzin as a regular, because juolevi will be still developing.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

2 hours ago, Timråfan said:

I like it when fans see thr defwnsive side in players.

So you want Loui back also? 

what a silly thing to say.

 

do you think rob schremp was a good player? because gaudette is basically schremp 2.0

 

I wouldn't doubt it if he's playing in europe next year.

[Azzy]

2 hours ago, Petey_BOI said:

the last time we injected all the youth was 2016/2017 even before they were ready, that turned out great didn't it.

 

some players start thier career at the age of 24 for example Bieksa and Burrows. we got what 6 guys under the age of 24? let petey hughes develop before we bring more youth. Lind podkolzin and rathbone are up next, but we likely only see podkolzin as a regular, because juolevi will be still developing.

It didn't work out too badly actually, despite Willie Desjardins. Boeser did well in his cameo. Horvat lead the team in scoring, and Stecher lead all defensemen. Hutton played well enough. Tryamkin made enough impression that half of Canucks fans still think he's the Russian Pronger. The issue then wasn't the youngsters, it was the veterans. Funnily enough, exactly the same as now.

 

Gadjovich and Lind are 22. Rathbone is a month shy of 22 as well. This isn't Virtanen being thrown in at the deep end, this is giving opportunities to young players who have earned them, rather than continually rewarding veterans who have not.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

2 minutes ago, Azzy said:

It didn't work out too badly actually, despite Willie Desjardins. Boeser did well in his cameo. Horvat lead the team in scoring, and Stecher lead all defensemen. Hutton played well enough. Tryamkin made enough impression that half of Canucks fans still think he's the Russian Pronger. The issue then wasn't the youngsters, it was the veterans. Funnily enough, exactly the same as now.

 

Gadjovich and Lind are 22. Rathbone is a month shy of 22 as well. This isn't Virtanen being thrown in at the deep end, this is giving opportunities to young players who have earned them, rather than continually rewarding veterans who have not.

oh cool, another poster that argues thier pov without actually doing any actual fact checking neat.

 

that was horvats third season hardly a  rookie anymore.

huttons second.a -22

troy stetcher was -16

trymakin? pretty decent.

gaunce was a huge success eh?

boeser played 5 games. he was not a significant part  of the team

virtanen played 10, and  was  heavily sheltred.

Labate ew

grenier yikes

goldobin meh

cramarossa uhhhhh.

molino who?

grenier uh oh.

mceneny double who?

zaleweski uh again,

rendulic errr.

 

no doubt why all our vets had such bad numbers, they had to babysit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Azzy]

10 minutes ago, Petey_BOI said:

oh cool, another poster that argues thier pov without actually doing any actual fact checking neat.

 

that was horvats third season hardly a  rookie anymore.

huttons second.a -22

troy stetcher was -16

trymakin? pretty decent.

gaunce was a huge success eh?

boeser played 5 games. he was not a significant part  of the team

virtanen played 10, and  was  heavily sheltred.

Labate ew

grenier yikes

goldobin meh

cramarossa uhhhhh.

molino who?

grenier uh oh.

mceneny double who?

zaleweski uh again,

rendulic errr.

 

no doubt why all our vets had such bad numbers, they had to babysit.

oh cool, another poster that argues their pov in a passive-aggressive manner while completely ignoring what the other person was actually saying.

 

- Not at any point did I mention rookies, so quite why you're inferring I did is bizarre.

- Boeser played 9 games, and he was a significant part of the team once he joined from UND.

- Virtanen did play 10 games (congratulations on having some neat fact-checking there) and was second on the team in PDO while playing 52% DZ starts. Hardly sheltered.

- 5 of the guys you mentioned played less than Boeser, so by your own metric of not being a significant part of the team shouldn't have featured in your list.

 

I could go on for hours but you clearly won't understand this very simple point: the veterans on this team are the ones doing the damage. It's not all of them, just most of them, and Benning can fix that by waiving four of them today and bringing in reinforcements from Utica. Give Eriksson some games towards his 1,000, helping him earn his salary for a change too, while we wait for quarantine to pass then hand the torch over to Horvat and say 'you're the guy, show these kids how to play'. We get 100% more effort out of our bottom six and can actually get excited about seeing our bottom six play.

[Bad_BOI_pete]

6 minutes ago, Azzy said:

oh cool, another poster that argues their pov in a passive-aggressive manner while completely ignoring what the other person was actually saying.

 

- Not at any point did I mention rookies, so quite why you're inferring I did is bizarre.

- Boeser played 9 games, and he was a significant part of the team once he joined from UND.

- Virtanen did play 10 games (congratulations on having some neat fact-checking there) and was second on the team in PDO while playing 52% DZ starts. Hardly sheltered.

- 5 of the guys you mentioned played less than Boeser, so by your own metric of not being a significant part of the team shouldn't have featured in your list.

 

I could go on for hours but you clearly won't understand this very simple point: the veterans on this team are the ones doing the damage. It's not all of them, just most of them, and Benning can fix that by waiving four of them today and bringing in reinforcements from Utica. Give Eriksson some games towards his 1,000, helping him earn his salary for a change too, while we wait for quarantine to pass then hand the torch over to Horvat and say 'you're the guy, show these kids how to play'. We get 100% more effort out of our bottom six and can actually get excited about seeing our bottom six play.

[Westcoastcanucks777]

3 hours ago, Timråfan said:

I like it when fans see the defensive side in players.

So you want Loui back also? 

Just savin Lous legs for the playoffs so he do his thing!!