Bertuzzipunch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: Is Rhino a one year rental? Yes, that’s nasty. What if he comes with an extension of what Bo gets? I have no worries about JB re-signing rhino. Thing is we need buffalo to take some salary i dont see any other way we can do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: I have no worries about JB re-signing rhino. Thing is we need buffalo to take some salary i dont see any other way we can do it. No reason they can’t take Roussel back in a trade. He’s still an effective bottom 6 player with lots of character. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Bertuzzipunch said: I have no worries about JB re-signing rhino. Thing is we need buffalo to take some salary i dont see any other way we can do it. Maybe our 9OA for Rhino looks more fair if we get to dump Loui on them too? 9OA and Loui for Rhino? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, DeNiro said: No reason they can’t take Roussel back in a trade. He’s still an effective bottom 6 player with lots of character. Yeah i agree even loui is only 3 mill actual money and buffalo wont be near the cap max anyways. JB needs to figure this out cause i really wouldnt mind to keep beagle for our 4th line. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Maybe our 9OA for Rhino looks more fair if we get to dump Loui on them too? 9OA and Loui for Rhino? I cant see how JB isn’t considering that. Opening up 6 mill in cap would be pretty huge 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Bertuzzipunch said: Yeah i agree even loui is only 3 mill actual money and buffalo wont be near the cap max anyways. JB needs to figure this out cause i really wouldnt mind to keep beagle for our 4th line. They may actually need salary just to reach the floor no? If they trade Eichel, Ristolainen, and Reinhart in one offseason they’re gonna need cap dumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 4 minutes ago, DeNiro said: They may actually need salary just to reach the floor no? If they trade Eichel, Ristolainen, and Reinhart in one offseason they’re gonna need cap dumps. Oh for sure they would. We have the guys for them lemme tell ya! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 hour ago, WestCoastDave said: Instead of us losing our 9th overall pick straight up as part of the deal for Reinhart, why couldn't we get Buffalo's 2nd round pick back in return (yes, you might have to make a bigger deal)? The pick is early enough for our scouting staff to have a shot at drafting a useable player. This trade, will not be straight up 9OA for Reinhart. That will be the backbone of a trade, but there will be other balancing that takes place. We need to send salary back and Buffalo will probably want another prospect in exchange. A deal that might work would be: To Buffalo 9OA, Gadjovich, Eriksson with 2 million retained To Vancouver, Reinhart, 4th round pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 13 minutes ago, Alflives said: Maybe our 9OA for Rhino looks more fair if we get to dump Loui on them too? 9OA and Loui for Rhino? Considering that it recently cost Toronto a first just to dump Marleau's contract, I don't see how a slightly higher first gets rid of an even worse contract and gets us Rino too. We have to give more, probably a good bit more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, VegasCanuck said: This trade, will not be straight up 9OA for Reinhart. That will be the backbone of a trade, but there will be other balancing that takes place. We need to send salary back and Buffalo will probably want another prospect in exchange. A deal that might work would be: To Buffalo 9OA, Gadjovich, Eriksson with 2 million retained To Vancouver, Reinhart, 4th round pick Id be fine with that 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bertuzzipunch Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Maniwaki Canuck said: Considering that it recently cost Toronto a first just to dump Marleau's contract, I don't see how a slightly higher first gets rid of an even worse contract and gets us Rino too. We have to give more, probably a good bit more. All depends how much buffalo wants that 9OA pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Maniwaki Canuck said: Considering that it recently cost Toronto a first just to dump Marleau's contract, I don't see how a slightly higher first gets rid of an even worse contract and gets us Rino too. We have to give more, probably a good bit more. Miller, who is a far superior player on a way better contract, only cost us 20OA. Why in the heck would Benning pay more (9OA) for a lesser player on a worse contract? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Miller, who is a far superior player on a way better contract, only cost us 20OA. Why in the heck would Benning pay more (9OA) for a lesser player on a worse contract? Simple: we weren't packing an anchor like Loui's contract in the Miller deal. Even for only one year, it's a major negative value. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Alflives said: Miller, who is a far superior player on a way better contract, only cost us 20OA. Why in the heck would Benning pay more (9OA) for a lesser player on a worse contract? No… Miller cost us a possible/probable unprotected lottery pick. That was factored into the equation It was a pretty good bet at the time that we would miss the playoffs both years and end up with a top 10 pick. What it ended up being doesn’t bear any relation to what the trade actually was when it was consummated. Add that to the salary cap pressure point they had and Buffalo doesn’t and the two deals and situations bear no resemblance to each other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said: Considering that it recently cost Toronto a first just to dump Marleau's contract, I don't see how a slightly higher first gets rid of an even worse contract and gets us Rino too. We have to give more, probably a good bit more. While it would be amazing to shed Loui… if you could move Roussel or Beagle in that deal instead of “little things” it is still a good one and probably more realistic. Edited June 18, 2021 by Provost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 7 minutes ago, Alflives said: Miller, who is a far superior player on a way better contract, only cost us 20OA. Why in the heck would Benning pay more (9OA) for a lesser player on a worse contract? That pick only became a 20th long after the trade was complete though. Tampa was banking on that being a much higher pick. And it was a safe bet based on where we were finishing in the standings. They ultimately lost on that gamble but still won by flipping the pick for Coleman and winning the cup. Comparing the trades one for one isn’t really accurate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Maniwaki Canuck said: Simple: we weren't packing an anchor like Loui's contract in the Miller deal. Even for only one year, it's a major negative value. Yes, if we can dumperoo Loui with the 9OA, then Rhino is fair value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maniwaki Canuck Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Provost said: While it would be amazing to shed Loui… if you could move Roussel or Beagle in that deal instead of “little things” it is still a good one and probably more realistic. For sure: Roussel can still play a bit, certainly compared to Loui and at half the cap hit. But then we'd have to scramble to fit Rino under the cap next year, probably at the expense of our already shaky D corps. So I don't see it happening, unless we pony up to move Loui too, at whatever the cost would be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 Just now, Alflives said: Yes, if we can dumperoo Loui with the 9OA, then Rhino is fair value. That’s not fair for Buffalo at all. You’d have to add a good prospect to that deal or at the very least our 2nd. Other teams will offer just as much without a cap dump. Reinhart is only 25 and a guaranteed 50-60 point player about to enter his prime. Would you be happy if we traded a player like that for a 9th overall and a cap dump? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Heffy Posted June 18, 2021 Share Posted June 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: That’s not fair for Buffalo at all. You’d have to add a good prospect to that deal or at the very least our 2nd. Other teams will offer just as much without a cap dump. Reinhart is only 25 and a guaranteed 50-60 point player about to enter his prime. Would you be happy if we traded a player like that for a 9th overall and a cap dump? If we weren't contending anyway and the cap dump was for one year, I'd be fine with that, considering Buffalo is in a similar situation to what we went through with Kesler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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