iinatcc Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 17 hours ago, Gurn said: Built his own reason for not doing enough. Re-signed Brock and signed Mik= $11.4 mill. Mik has worked out, and Boesser is doing better than most think. But it does show that JR/PA had cap space, left by J.B., whether we agree with what they did with it or not. My understanding from the media is that JR and Allvin wanted to shed cap space but after they realized it was harder than they thought they decided to "double down" with the roster. Plus the Boeser one is a bit more complicated due to the qualifying offer which put them between a rock and a hard place. Not saying JR and Allvin didn't make mistakes, you pointed some out already. But the actions done by them was ripple effect due to the OEL // Garland trade. As Steve Dangle said, ( though he exaggerated a bit) Benning traded Loui Eriksson (LE) in his expiring year for a more expensive Defensive Loui Eriksson (LE). Now I don't agree OEL is the D-man equivalent of LE, but I think we all get the idea. Basically a bad contract which the player won't live up to it and hence, untradable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 26 minutes ago, iinatcc said: My understanding from the media is that JR and Allvin wanted to shed cap space but after they realized it was harder than they thought they decided to "double down" with the roster. The old- "Jimmy made me do it defense". Moms everywhere shake their heads and sigh. lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iinatcc Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, Gurn said: The old- "Jimmy made me do it defense". Moms everywhere shake their heads and sigh. lol We are just having it both ways people here are still defending Benning because of Gillis' 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 48 minutes ago, iinatcc said: Exactly, I don't mind giving him a 1 year deal since and he can be flipped in the TDL if Vancouver is going to miss the playoffs As for Rodrigues ... 3 x 3 is still better than 5 x 5. Kling isn't signing a 1 year deal with us... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 13 hours ago, Timråfan said: Well, Karlsson is elite, not OEL. The bias bit is very confusing it seems. You seem to be very biased since you defend spending all cap without any result to show for it. Objectivity is something I hold dear. As journalists should do. The one thing you can complain about is where I am rooted traditionwise. Hence I don.'t like egomaniacs, leaders that don.t protect the weakest links etc. If OEL had 4 mill I wouldn't bother. Then he can run PP2 and we all are happy with it. But not for over 7 mill. Your bias against benning is evident for not acknowledging his work prior to 2020. The team barely had NHL caliber roster players with the departures of sedins, burr, kes, hansen, bieksa, hamhuis, luongo, etc etc from 2014-2017. for a team without prospect pool deep enough to replace the departed players, we had to get players via UFA and the only way to do so was offer the highest price. You seem to leave out a very positive example of such signing: Ryan Miller. He kept us in games and more importantly, he mentored Marky, who then mentored demko. I think other signings had positive effects as well. Beagle took on the tough minutes so that guys Petey didn’t have to. A player like healthy Roussel is exactly what we are missing now. PK, putting on hits and laying the body. Myers was a decent player to have, playing behind defensively minded Tanev and ahead of feisty but undersized Stecher. yes, benning overpaid for each of those players. Was it necessary? Yes! We had very little in the way of NHL players and not having them meant more Dalpes or Megnas and getting blown out of games in the first period. That would have been detrimental to proper development of guys like marky, demmer, petey, hughes, etc. could benning have managed the cap better? yes. But do acknolwedge that he did some good. i think we agree that almost all of the moves he made post 2020 were bad… in fact, I can’t think of any one good move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 10 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Those Devils cup teams, were boring as hell, to watch but it made NJ, a three time cup champs; and now they seemed to be ready to contend, after rebuilding for a few years, whilst, JB was doing his retool, from hell... How long did NJ to to get to this point? they were in the cup final in 2014, is that when they began their rebuild? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 I say no, we didn't need those players. We have a different opinion on the matter. I want ten mill flexibility til we reach what can be described as a window. When the window is reached we spend up to cap on a few pieces that can be part of the core. When Benning did what he did he had to find tradepartners(as JR and Allvin is forced to do). All their hands are tied behind their backs. You seem to like it, I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 14 hours ago, Elias Pettersson said: Niedermayer and Pronger played together. Niedermayer played primarily on the right side his entire career. First with Scott Stevens and then with Chris Pronger. Nieder and stevens yes. pronger and niedermayer were paired together but were also split up as often as they were paired together if my memory serves me right. splitting them up gave them two strong pairings instead of one, especially important in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jyu Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 minute ago, Timråfan said: I say no, we didn't need those players. We have a different opinion on the matter. I want ten mill flexibility til we reach what can be described as a window. When the window is reached we spend up to cap on a few pieces that can be part of the core. When Benning did what he did he had to find tradepartners(as JR and Allvin is forced to do). All their hands are tied behind their backs. You seem to like it, I don't. We didnt need Ryan Miller, Beagle, Myers? who would have taken those spots? Demko, petey, jett woo? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 On 7/23/2021 at 2:24 PM, Timråfan said: Ehh, I think Benning is a loser but this trade works fine for me. 49 minutes ago, Timråfan said: You seem to like it, I don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 8 minutes ago, coryberg said: I already talked about that. I’m fine with the trade as I’m fine with the Miller contract. But neither is good for the team futurewise. Garland small, OEL expensive. And back then I discussed with folks about Benning being dumb to trade away the trio when they only had one year left of the contract. It would have been better have them on the roster and have the millions to splash closer to the window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 1 hour ago, jyu said: We didnt need Ryan Miller, Beagle, Myers? who would have taken those spots? Demko, petey, jett woo? A couple of cheap players. I rather have both Tanev and Stecher than one Myers. And they are expensive and still an update. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted December 31, 2022 Share Posted December 31, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, jyu said: How long did NJ to to get to this point? they were in the cup final in 2014, is that when they began their rebuild? Started with Shero and he was hired at 2015. I would add, the Avs, the Rags & the Kings, as the other three clubs that seems to had done well, with their rebuilds during JBs' retools from hell. Edited December 31, 2022 by ShawnAntoski , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coryberg Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 3 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Started with Shero and he was hired at 2015. I would add, the Avs, the Rags & the Kings, as the other three clubs that seems to had done well, with their rebuilds during JBs' retools from hell. The kings had something good going but pulled the plug on the rebuild too soon... destined for mediocrity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 3 hours ago, ShawnAntoski said: Started with Shero and he was hired at 2015. I would add, the Avs, the Rags & the Kings, as the other three clubs that seems to had done well, with their rebuilds during JBs' retools from hell. The Rangers outside of Chytil have arguably blown all their 1st round picks and should be further along than they are. Lundqvist-Traded Lafreniere-trending bust Kakko-trending bust but good depth player Schneider-trending potential bust 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 21 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: The Rangers outside of Chytil have arguably blown all their 1st round picks and should be further along than they are. Lundqvist-Traded Lafreniere-trending bust Kakko-trending bust but good depth player Schneider-trending potential bust They also didn't really rebuild. They're still very much lead by +/-30 year olds in Zib and Kreider as well as guys like Panarin, Trouba and yes, the younger Fox, all basically deciding they'd play nowhere else. They retooled...and with a crap tonne of luck in both free agent players coming there, and winning draft lottos (which thus far haven't really driven their rise as you noted). Arguably their best "re-whatever"1st rounder, contributing most to team success, is K'andre Miller, drafted 22 overall. Edited January 1, 2023 by aGENT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) On 12/31/2022 at 4:15 PM, coryberg said: The kings had something good going but pulled the plug on the rebuild too soon... destined for mediocrity. Not sure i agree but let's wait & see cause they still have a young team, with potential and it is not, uncommon for a young team to regress, whist, they turn the page from rebuilding to contending Edited January 2, 2023 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said: Not sure i agree but let's wait & see cause they still have a young team, with potential and it is not, uncommon for a young team to regress The Kings got craperolla with their high pick. Forgot his name already. He’s that much of a bustaroo bonsai. So I do t know if they pulled the chute too quick or they just missed on an important pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShawnAntoski Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, canuck73_3 said: The Rangers outside of Chytil have arguably blown all their 1st round picks and should be further along than they are. Lundqvist-Traded Lafreniere-trending bust Kakko-trending bust but good depth player Schneider-trending potential bust Gorton was the architect, of the current roster but Dolan didn't agree, with his timeline and replaced him with Drury, who seems to be more malleable to Dolan. They did very well last year and let's see how they will progress, as their young players continues to develope. As for those prospects, you had mentioned, I would give it a couple more season before calling them a TOTAL bust. As a Canuck, having those players busting out, is good karma for 94. Edited January 1, 2023 by ShawnAntoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted January 1, 2023 Share Posted January 1, 2023 1 hour ago, canuck73_3 said: The Rangers outside of Chytil have arguably blown all their 1st round picks and should be further along than they are. Lundqvist-Traded Lafreniere-trending bust Kakko-trending bust but good depth player Schneider-trending potential bust I seriously doubt all those rumours in the media about us insisting on ?Schneider being part of a Miller Trade had any merit. The guy is craperolla. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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