AnthonyG Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 minute ago, dougieL said: Question #1 on the IQ test: would you ever compare OEL to Hughes? First thing you answer on a test is your name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 1 hour ago, JohnTavares said: That was only a small sampling but still pretty damn funny...and pretty damn sad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnTavares Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 35 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: First thing you answer on a test is your name. Arguing semantics because you compared OEL to Hughes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 2 hours ago, JohnTavares said: Making a bigger short sighted error isn’t a W. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 54 minutes ago, JohnTavares said: Arguing semantics because you compared OEL to Hughes. Defensively. Hughes gets scored on in his own zone in less time than OEL. ZONE TIME DISTRIBUTION BUD. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, EP Phone Home said: Funny how the moves seem so similar. Rash/knee jerking moves to get in because our owner is impatient and wants to win a cup for his papa before he’s dead. Only that this is compounding the problems we’ve had the last 10 years with our cap,roster construction and bleeding high draft picks like a SC contender would. I have to give you credit Alf. You called this. The most desperate move management had to go with (PA said he doesn’t want to do buyouts but he did) JR and PA’s contracts end at the end of the 2023/2024 season so they HAVE to make the playoffs or they are gone like Benning. As you know our owner will not accept anything but playoffs. Giving the FO only 3 year contracts every management group is by design and how our owner rolls. Gives them no 5+ year plan to rebuild as the story goes with Gillis and Linden. Benning was a yes man and had no spine but to do FA’s orders to make moves like this OEL one to make the playoffs. Repeating history time and time again. Just wait until free agency when we splooge all our cap space we just got. but you called it Alf. I need to borrow that crystal ball of yours sometime. I’m not sure why you talk about the owners only. Benning was a mess and probably lied to everyone he met. PA was against buyouts but he would use it if he had to so he opened the door that Alf saw. This is about to get us competing before Hughes is tempted to leave and meet up with his bros. So PA has four years to do something because after that the window might close if we can’t talk Hughes in to stay or we get another amazing D as him. So forget about owner. Look at the core and when we have to start compete. That is why BB had to go asap, OEL buyout etc… Edited June 17, 2023 by Timråfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timråfan Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 6 hours ago, AnthonyG said: Defensively. Hughes gets scored on in his own zone in less time than OEL. ZONE TIME DISTRIBUTION BUD. You got one or two defence left and that is that OEL probably is a misfit with Tocchet or that the foot injury is worse than believed. So he might have been good next season. We know too little for now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snake Doctor Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 This trade still makes me want to throw up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 17, 2023 Share Posted June 17, 2023 4 hours ago, Snake Doctor said: This trade still makes me want to throw up. It's the rare type of trade that looks exactly as stupid in hindsight as it did the moment it was made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) @aGENT Hey I find this very funny. (edit: should include @iinatcc as well) ----------- Edited June 18, 2023 by dougieL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 On 11/11/2022 at 1:26 PM, aGENT said: Nope. Not really. When a team incurs a $20 million penalty spread over 8 years for a player NOT to play for them, you can be pretty sure that the team thinks that player IS A PROBLEM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 (edited) On 11/6/2022 at 8:52 AM, aGENT said: Oh! Well if someone said it on 650.... Can't feel too good finding out that you ridiculed someone for talking about the possibility of a buyout that ended up happening 7 months later... Edited June 18, 2023 by dougieL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 18, 2023 Share Posted June 18, 2023 7 hours ago, dougieL said: When a team incurs a $20 million penalty spread over 8 years for a player NOT to play for them, you can be pretty sure that the team thinks that player IS A PROBLEM As I've said all along, the only way a buyout makes sense, is if the team feels his ankle was never going to return to form. Clearly we got our answer there. Again, as I always said, a healthy OEL, is not the problem. We as fans are not privy to his long term health outlook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, aGENT said: As I've said all along, the only way a buyout makes sense, is if the team feels his ankle was never going to return to form. Clearly we got our answer there. Again, as I always said, a healthy OEL, is not the problem. We as fans are not privy to his long term health outlook. Still going at the mental gymnastics I see Your posts below are from November 2022. Was OEL healthy then? Did you mention anything about health when you said "he's not the problem" and "nope. not really"? 14 hours ago, dougieL said: @aGENT Hey I find this very funny. (edit: should include @iinatcc as well) ----------- Edited June 19, 2023 by dougieL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, dougieL said: Still going at the mental gymnastics I see Your posts below are from November 2022. Was OEL healthy then? Did you mention anything about health when you said "he's not the problem" and "nope. not really"? I've mentioned numerous times that he had a major ankle injury at the worlds last spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 6 hours ago, aGENT said: As I've said all along, the only way a buyout makes sense, is if the team feels his ankle was never going to return to form. Clearly we got our answer there. Again, as I always said, a healthy OEL, is not the problem. We as fans are not privy to his long term health outlook. But I guess you are privy to how management views the health of OEL's ankle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 14 minutes ago, aGENT said: I've mentioned numerous times that he had a major ankle injury at the worlds last spring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 11 minutes ago, dougieL said: But I guess you are privy to how management views the health of OEL's ankle We are now... That was my point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dougieL Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 1 minute ago, aGENT said: We are now... That was my point. Uh no - review your logic. You said "the only way a buyout makes sense, is if the team feels his ankle was never going to return to form." This in itself is a presumption that you know the only condition under which management would execute a buyout. Are you privy to that piece of information? Back in November, you ridiculed someone for suggesting the possibility of a buyout which happened 7 months later, and you flippantly told me without qualification or justification that OEL was not a problem. Now you're trying to cover with further mental gymnastics - I'm impressed how willing you are to keep digging deeper into the canyon you're already in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted June 19, 2023 Share Posted June 19, 2023 2 hours ago, dougieL said: Uh no - review your logic. You said "the only way a buyout makes sense, is if the team feels his ankle was never going to return to form." This in itself is a presumption that you know the only condition under which management would execute a buyout. Are you privy to that piece of information? Back in November, you ridiculed someone for suggesting the possibility of a buyout which happened 7 months later, and you flippantly told me without qualification or justification that OEL was not a problem. Now you're trying to cover with further mental gymnastics - I'm impressed how willing you are to keep digging deeper into the canyon you're already in Nope, I've always stated that a healthy OEL is not a problem. A healthy OEL is a perfectly fine, top 4 D. He was not healthy this past season and hence wasn't a "perfectly fine top 4D" this past season. A healthy OEL is not a problem. An unhealthy one is. If management has understandable concerns about his health/ankle moving forward, and hence his ability to play at a "perfectly fine top 4 D" level, then a buyout makes sense. Healthy, it doesn't. There's no mental gymnastics, it's just plain logic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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