spook007 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Alflives said: My concern with Miller playing this season without a contract is with our owner allowing a TDL Trade that will definitely hurt the club’s playoff chances. And Miller will only be an injury or loss of form away for the total fiasco for trading him, if thats their plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 5 minutes ago, stawns said: My guess they got some assurances that Huberdeau, at least, was favourable to an extension Doubt they even talked contract. If they knew Huberdeau would re-sign there would be no need to add a prospect and a first. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook007 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, Warhippy said: If miller signs short term it will be 4-5 years to ensure he can still net a 3-5 year contract without the cap recapture 35 year old player issue Would be a big gamble on Millers part... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 10 minutes ago, stawns said: My guess they got some assurances that Huberdeau, at least, was favourable to an extension Next years FA market could be pretty wild haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 I think there are a lot of GMs out there that are probably getting frustrated that they can’t move cap and make moves. Maybe frustrated enough that they make a bad deal even. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 Just now, Mustard Tiger said: Next years FA market could be pretty wild haha Huberdough, Miller, Horvat and more high end guys. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: I think there are a lot of GMs out there that are probably getting frustrated that they can’t move cap and make moves. Maybe frustrated enough that they make a bad deal even. You mean like Benning did multiple times every year? Edited July 23, 2022 by Alflives 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, DeNiro said: I think there are a lot of GMs out there that are probably getting frustrated that they can’t move cap and make moves. Maybe frustrated enough that they make a bad deal even. They've got to do something about the massive, long term contracts being handed out to young, RFA players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Alflives said: Huberdough, Miller, Horvat and more high end guys. Horvat and Miller won’t be UFAs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 4 minutes ago, Alflives said: Huberdough, Miller, Horvat and more high end guys. Nathan MacKinnon Colorado Avalanche C 27 No. 2 David Pastrnak Boston Bruins RW 27 No. 3 Patrick Kane Chicago Blackhawks RW 34 No. 4 Jonathan Huberdeau Florida Panthers LW 30 No. 5 J.T. Miller Vancouver Canucks C 30 No. 6 Dylan Larkin Detroit Red Wings C 26 No. 7 Ryan O'Reilly St. Louis Blues C 32 No. 8 Max Pacioretty Carolina Hurricanes LW 34 No. 9 Vladimir Tarasenko St. Louis Blues LW 31 No. 10 Timo Meier San Jose Sharks LW 26 No. 11 Joe Pavelski Dallas Stars C 39 No. 12 MacKenzie Weegar Florida Panthers D 29 No. 13 Frederik Andersen Carolina Hurricanes G 33 No. 14 Matt Dumba Minnesota Wild D 28 No. 15 Bo Horvat Vancouver Canucks C 28 No. 16 Dmitry Orlov Washington Capitals D 31 No. 17 Brian Dumoulin Pittsburgh Penguins D 31 No. 18 Tristan Jarry Pittsburgh Penguins G 28 No. 19 Alex Killorn Tampa Bay Lightning LW 32 No. 20 Tyler Bertuzzi Detroit Red Wings LW 28 No. 21 Travis Sanheim Philadelphia Flyers D 27 No. 22 Shayne Gostibehere Arizona Coyotes D 30 No. 23 Damon Severson New Jersey Devils D 28 No. 24 J.T. Compher Colorado Avalanche C 28 No. 25 Evgenii Dadonov Montreal Canadiens LW 34 No. 26 Alexander Kerfoot Toronto Maple Leafs C 28 No. 27 Jonathan Toews Chicago Blackhawks C 35 No. 28 Jonathan Drouin Montreal Canadiens LW 28 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: They've got to do something about the massive, long term contracts being handed out to young, RFA players. They never will. Sometimes those deals end up being wins for franchises if they get them locked in early. Imagine us signing Petey to an 8x8 deal after his ELC. You don’t think that would be a great deal for us in the long run? Sometimes they don’t work out, but it’s no different than signing UFAs to massive deals. GMs should be allowed to be as stupid with their money as they want. If they don’t wanna pay those deals, trade the player to someone that will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stawns Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, DeNiro said: They never will. Sometimes those deals end up being wins for franchises if they get them locked in early. Imagine us signing Petey to an 8x8 deal after his ELC. You don’t think that would be a great deal for us in the long run? Sometimes they don’t work out, but it’s no different than signing UFAs to massive deals. GMs should be allowed to be as stupid with their money as they want. If they don’t wanna pay those deals, trade the player to someone that will It's the ripple effect those deals have that are the negative consequence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, spook007 said: Would be a big gamble on Millers part... If he can get $8+ million over 4 years and maintain that level of play to within 10-15 points, he at 33-34 would be able to sign another 3-4 year deal that's comparable based on increasing cap hits and comparable contracts without giving a team the fear of the 35+ contract. At that point he holds his destiny in his own hands 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 minute ago, stawns said: It's the ripple effect those deals have that are the negative consequence. I would like to see players not being able to sign one year deals when they’re RFAs eliminated. They’ve given too much leverage to players that way IMO. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 minute ago, Warhippy said: If he can get $8+ million over 4 years and maintain that level of play to within 10-15 points, he at 33-34 would be able to sign another 3-4 year deal that's comparable based on increasing cap hits and comparable contracts without giving a team the fear of the 35+ contract. At that point he holds his destiny in his own hands Sure, but why wouldn’t Miller just sign a seven year deal July 1, 2023 for 50-60 million? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilduce39 Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 1 hour ago, The Big D said: So a bunch of the fans and media surrounding this team are really starting to get on my nerves, before free agency started the narrative was there’s no rush for the team to do anything with Miller blah blah blah now we’re only on day 10 of free agency and the same people are freaking out why haven’t we done anything with Miller! Like geez have some patience and stick with the original plan of not having to rush it… Fans would be adding sweeteners to get rid of Miller at this point - just complete despair and panic from some people. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 8 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sure, but why wouldn’t Miller just sign a seven year deal July 1, 2023 for 50-60 million? I’ll play devils advocate and say that it’s always smarter to take guaranteed money now than hoping for it in the future. Anything could happen in the next season. He could have a serious injury or he could have a season where he only puts up 60 points. Both would obviously eliminate any chance of him getting anything close to 8 million. If him and his agent are smart and there’s 50 million on the table right now they should take it and run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Alflives said: Sure, but why wouldn’t Miller just sign a seven year deal July 1, 2023 for 50-60 million? Why wouldn't he sign a higher dollar amount shorter deal either? Guaranteed cash now plus guarantee at another pay day in a few years. Numerous things could happen. Recession coming. Could get seriously injured. CBA fight soon. Potential lock out. GMs cannot control themselves Edited July 23, 2022 by Warhippy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrJockitch Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 24 minutes ago, stawns said: They've got to do something about the massive, long term contracts being handed out to young, RFA players. They have. It is called salary cap. If the market calls for it then they deserve it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted July 23, 2022 Share Posted July 23, 2022 2 minutes ago, Warhippy said: Why wouldn't he sign a higher dollar amount shorter deal either? Guaranteed cash now plus guarantee at another pay day in a few years. Numerous things could happen. Recession coming. Could get seriously injured. CBA fight soon. Potential lock out. GMs cannot control themselves It would be great for us if he took that risk on a shorter term, but I don’t see him doing that. Do any players who can sign longer term and big dollars take shorter term and less that are in Miller’s position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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