[Rumour] Canucks interested in John Marino

[Alflives]

6 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Ya sure Dulliwall.  Miller is a guy we'd trade to Pit.  

[Devron]

3 minutes ago, Alflives said:

Ya sure Dulliwall.  Miller is a guy we'd trade to Pit.  

Yeah send us Crosby plus futures back lol 

[DeNiro]

11 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Of course the Pens had interest in Miller. Every contender would, that goes without it saying.

 

They’re not getting him for Marino and some average prospects though.

[ShawnAntoski]

21 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

Pens are going to be re building and will focus on getting younger - so Boeser will be the target (unless they want to squeeze one more run with the Crosby core ?) cause the Crosby core is on the downside of there window.  Good chance, they re sign Malkin,  on a short term contract (currently 35), so he can retire as a Penguins, in a few years.  Crosby is 37 with two years left on his 104 million dollar deal.  

 

Hopefully, this is all smoke & mirrors ?    Both Juulsen and Marino are both the same age; and it would probably be prudent to give Juulsen till the end of the year before making a decision to keep him or not.  If he flops, then pay to acquire a Marino, in the offseason when his price might be cheaper than during the TDL.  Although, the current playoff chase might complicate his chances cause Boudreau will rather go with a veteran; and might force JR, to chase (?).

Edited March 14, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[DrJockitch]

4 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Pens are going to be re building and will focus on getting younger - so Boeser will be target (unless they want to squeeze one more run with the Crosby core ?) cause the Crosby core is on the downside.  Good chance, they re sign Malkin,  on a short term contract (currently 35), so he can retire as a Penguins in a few years.  Crosby is 37 with two years left on his 104 million dollar deal.  

Boeser kind of fits the mood for both cup run and getting younger for the Pens. 

[ShawnAntoski]

8 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Boeser kind of fits the mood for both cup run and getting younger for the Pens. 

Good point

 

Boeser is currently 24, and not yet in his prime.  Would prefer they keep him for a few more years cause the Canucks will be selling low, unless, Allvin can upsell his potential, to someone willing to overpay.  We had seen what Boeser can do and last year he was great, in the shorten season, whereas, this year he is having a down year.  Ultimately, it will come down to which players, Allvin will want to keep and what he can get to let go, of a player he wants to keep vs not.

Edited March 14, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[DrJockitch]

16 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Good point

 

Boeser is currently 24, and not yet in his prime.  Would prefer they keep him for a few more years cause the Canucks will be selling low, unless, Allvin can upsell his potential, to someone willing to overpay.  We had seen what Boeser can do and last year he was great, in the shorten season, whereas, this year he is having a down year.  Ultimately, it will come down to which players, Allvin will want to keep and what he can get to let go, of a player he wants to keep vs not.

Not the decisions I would want to be making. Boeser is a tough one.

Pure goal scorers are hard to come by.  
But a pure goal scorer that has never hit 30, makes 7.5M potentially and has significant injury history including multiple wrist surgeries is a tough call. 

[ShawnAntoski]

6 minutes ago, DrJockitch said:

Not the decisions I would want to be making. Boeser is a tough one.

Pure goal scorers are hard to come by.  
But a pure goal scorer that has never hit 30, makes 7.5M potentially and has significant injury history including multiple wrist surgeries is a tough call. 

Very valid points but the recent signing of Kotkaniemi, might be a good template for a long term contract with Brock.  Kotkaniemi had a 6.1 QO but he instead, signed a long term deal (8yr at 4.25 per year), with the Canes.  It will come down to how well Allvin will sell his vision for each player and what each would be willing to give up to stay.  If Boeser was 26/27, he definitely should be in the market.

Edited March 14, 2022 by ShawnAntoski

[HOFsedins]

10 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Very valid points but the recent signing of Kotkaniemi, might be a good template for a long term contract with Brock.  Kotkaniemi had a 6.1 QO but he instead, signed a long term deal (8yr at 4.25 per year), with the Canes.  It will come down to how well Allvin will sell his vision for each player and what each would be willing to give up to stay.  If Boeser was 26/27, he definitely should be in the market.

4.82

Lets offer Boeser 6.06

Edited March 14, 2022 by HOFsedins

[ShawnAntoski]

Just now, HOFsedins said:

4.82

Cheers !

 

Point: still below his projected QO.

[flickyoursedin]

8 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Very valid points but the recent signing of Kotkaniemi, might be a good template for a long term contract with Brock.  Kotkaniemi had a 6.1 QO but he instead, signed a long term deal (8yr at 4.25 per year), with the Canes.  It will come down to how well Allvin will sell his vision for each player and what each would be willing to give up to stay.  If Boeser was 26/27, he definitely should be in the market.

Contract security is a big thing. Boeser could take the 7.5 QO but might not have a good year and be able to cash out the following FA period. I think a 6-7 years in the range of 6-6.75 mill he’d take into consideration for sure. We’ll see how much he really wants to stay here in Vancouver.

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, Me_ said:

That sounds like a complete trade flop.

 

 

4 hours ago, aGENT said:

You asked for a list, I gave you one. I'm not suggesting that's what we should take (OMGZZZ... BEST OFFER EVER!).

 

Though we could probably do worse 

 

[Junkyard Dog]

3 minutes ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Very valid points but the recent signing of Kotkaniemi, might be a good template for a long term contract with Brock.  Kotkaniemi had a 6.1 QO but he instead, signed a long term deal (8yr at 4.25 per year), with the Canes.  It will come down to how well Allvin will sell his vision for each player and what each would be willing to give up to stay.  If Boeser was 26/27, he definitely should be in the market.

Boeser and Kotkaniemi are incomparable. Kotkaniemi's deal is also more of a risky "potential" deal considering his young age in comparison with Boeser.  In 8 years he'll be 29 and in 8 years Boeser will be 33. Kotkaniemi has yet to break 40 points or even put up a season on pace for over 40 points(maybe he does this year). Boeser has broken 40 points in each season he's played(on pace this year for over 40 again) and his pace has been 60+ points pretty much every year.

 

Kotkaniemi is getting almost 5M despite a lot of things. His QO is also uncomparable considering Canes signed it it order to screw MTL. It was already meant to be an overpayment. 

 

[aGENT]

1 hour ago, LegionOfDoom said:

I didn’t lol

Yes you did.

[flickyoursedin]

Is Marino that much better than Hamonic? They’re good for around the same amount of points but at least Hamonic is a boss defensively and will throw the body. Marino kinda feels overrated to me because he’s a RHD and how much our fans just see one and think they’re perfect for our team. Marino at 4+ mill a year isn’t really worth the price to acquire him I feel.

Edited March 14, 2022 by flickyoursedin

[ShawnAntoski]

1 minute ago, flickyoursedin said:

Contract security is a big thing. Boeser could take the 7.5 QO but might not have a good year and be able to cash out the following FA period. I think a 6-7 years in the range of 6-6.75 mill he’d take into consideration for sure. We’ll see how much he really wants to stay here in Vancouver.

Good points

 

Kotkaniemi took a one year 6.1 QO contract with the Canes and good chance, he chose security over betting on himself.  Off topic: he seems to be very similar player to another young player with draft pedigree - Kakko

 

[flickyoursedin]

1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said:

Good points

 

Kotkaniemi took a one year 6.1 QO contract with the Canes and good chance, he chose security over betting on himself.  Off topic: he seems to be very similar player to another young player with draft pedigree - Kakko

 

Kotkaniemi could have taken his QO of 6 mill and put up another year of 25-30 points and maybe make 2.5-3.5 million on a short term contract. If the 8 year rumoured contract comes to fruition he and his agent have leveraged his draft pedigree and potential into a guaranteed 9 years of an average close to 5 mill per year. All while not really showing much more than a decent 3rd line center in the NHL to date.

[RWJC]

29 minutes ago, flickyoursedin said:

Is Marino that much better than Hamonic? They’re good for around the same amount of points but at least Hamonic is a boss defensively and will throw the body. Marino kinda feels overrated to me because he’s a RHD and how much our fans just see one and think they’re perfect for our team. Marino at 4+ mill a year isn’t really worth the price to acquire him I feel.

I would suggest folks try and catch a few Pens games and watch him play.

He's reliable, defensively sound/smart in either positioning or using his stick, but along the boards or in front of the net is not a physical presence enough to cause a turnover.

In fact, from what I've seen over the past couple seasons, he's easily outmatched along the boards quite often.

 

Can be expected to keep the play alive and creatively in the O zone, and maybe given more mins on the PP could really have a positive effect on his improved vision/play that side of the ice. 
It's not what he's counted on for with PIT though. He's being groomed as a balanced Dman leaning towards PK specialist.

Imho, best comparison to what we have right now would be Kyle Burroughs - with Marino having much less snarl/physical play but a much much better offense IQ. Similar in size and speed as well. 

 

I'd save the assets for someone else and see if Burroughs can develop further. It's a way cheaper project.

Edited March 14, 2022 by RWJC

[ShawnAntoski]

2 minutes ago, Junkyard Dog said:

Boeser and Kotkaniemi are incomparable. Kotkaniemi's deal is also more of a risky "potential" deal considering his young age in comparison with Boeser.  In 8 years he'll be 29 and in 8 years Boeser will be 33. Kotkaniemi has yet to break 40 points or even put up a season on pace for over 40 points(maybe he does this year). Boeser has broken 40 points in each season he's played(on pace this year for over 40 again) and his pace has been 60+ points pretty much every year.

 

Kotkaniemi is getting almost 5M despite a lot of things. His QO is also uncomparable considering Canes signed it it order to screw MTL. It was already meant to be an overpayment. 

 

 I agree both are not similar players with context but I am not comparing each players, but we both can perhaps agree, that they both are not currently worth there projected QO - is one of my main point.  Secondly, I was just making the argument a long term contract that is below, Brocks' QO in exchange for security vs betting on himself might be a possibility (?).  Both are also, before there prime and if Brock was at 26/27 then it might be easier to sell. 

 

The pressure is on Allvin, to sell his vision and see which player(s) will stay for a [discount].

[Junkyard Dog]

1 minute ago, ShawnAntoski said:

 I agree both are not similar players with context but I am not comparing each players, but we both can perhaps agree, that they both are not currently worth there projected QO - is one of my main point.  Secondly, I was just making the argument a long term contract that is below, Brocks' QO in exchange for security vs betting on himself might be a possibility (?).  Both are also, before there prime and if Brock was at 26/27 then it might be easier to sell. 

 

The pressure is on Allvin, to sell his vision and see which player(s) will stay for a [discount].

That's tough to do. As we've seen with Hughes/Petey. Players want to get paid.

 

If get gets Brock anything around 6M that's a win. Would probably mean Garland's gone. We need cap flexibility and to address the future D succession. Could see them both gone too depending what we get back.