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[Trade] Golden Knights trade Evgenii Dadonov, conditional 2023 2nd-round pick to Ducks for Ryan Kesler, John Moore (VOIDED)


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46 minutes ago, Devron said:

Vegas is such a joke. We may not make the playoffs but I’d love to see the Canucks take them with them 

Why would you hate Vegas, they actually helped us out by trading Schmidt to us at a bargain at the time. 

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2 hours ago, Dazzle said:

So Kesler is used for LTIR, essentially to "bank" cap space.

 

Anaheim was willing to help Las Vegas, but they both win.

 

The Canucks trade a third and gain a fourth.

 

Ok.

Can't bank cap space in LTIR - reason why Vancouver has a bonus overage.

 

It's easily visible on CapFriendly.  Vancouver is operating in LTIR and created cap space this TDL by dealing Hamonic/Motte - you can see that they have over 3.5M in LTIR cap space.  That's the amount of cap hits they can still add to the roster and remain cap compliant.  

 

The column before is zero though - that's the amount of cap space they are banking till the end of the season.  Although they have 3.5M in LTIR cap space, if it goes unused it gets forfeited.  Performance bonuses come out of end of season cap space but Vancouver has none so they will entirely get rolled over into next season.

 

Look at all the teams in LTIR, regardless of how much cap space they still have to add to their roster, the vast majority have no end of season cap space.  The few that do is because they went into LTIR once the season already started and have been able to bank some cap space till then.

 

Teams who aren't in LTIR are banking cap space - ie every day that they are under 81.5M they are putting that cap space aside for future use.  Teams in LTIR can't because they are exceeding the cap so their extra cap space gets forfeited and they are losing cap space.


Taking back the Kesler contract is part of the cost of moving Dadonov.  It's not a benefit as Kesler will never play again and won't be activated come playoff time.  By moving him Anaheim gets to bank cap space and can limit the bonus overage for their ELC players.

 

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2 minutes ago, mll said:

Can't bank cap space in LTIR - reason why Vancouver has a bonus overage.

 

It's easily visible on CapFriendly.  Vancouver is operating in LTIR and created cap space this TDL by dealing Hamonic/Motte - you can see that they have over 3.5M in LTIR cap space.  That's the amount of cap hits they can still add to the roster and remain cap compliant.  

 

The column before is zero though - that's the amount of cap space they are banking till the end of the season.  Although they have 3.5M in LTIR cap space, if it goes unused it gets forfeited.  Performance bonuses come out of end of season cap space but Vancouver has none so they will entirely get rolled over into next season.

 

Look at all the teams in LTIR, regardless of how much cap space they still have to add to their roster, the vast majority have no end of season cap space.  The few that do is because they went into LTIR once the season already started and have been able to bank some cap space till then.

 

Teams who aren't in LTIR are banking cap space - ie every day that they are under 81.5M they are putting that cap space aside for future use.  Teams in LTIR can't because they are exceeding the cap so their extra cap space gets forfeited and they are losing cap space.


Taking back the Kesler contract is part of the cost of moving Dadonov.  It's not a benefit as Kesler will never play again and won't be activated come playoff time.

 

 

I suppose it's short term pain, long term gain. There's no salary cap during the playoffs, so Kesler is hardly a punishment at that point.

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2 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

I suppose it's short term pain, long term gain. There's no salary cap during the playoffs, so Kesler is hardly a punishment at that point.

Because he's in the last year of his deal.  Vegas has him on IR btw and not on LTIR per CapFriendly.  Teams typically try and keep players on IR rather than go on LTIR when unnecessary.

 

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35 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said:

So, Ducks trade rakell for picks, Then recoup that same level of player PLUS picks WHILE moving dead money. That's cool.. must be nice to have players with value :unsure:

* Not to mention the other trades as well

And people fail to understand the damage that Gillis did for a team that was in need of a rebuild. We had players that were not worth a lot. Kesler, in particular, at that time was worth less than what he SHOULD'VE been worth. Though GIllis wasn't at fault for that circumstance, Gillis did not do the team any favours, given how poor the drafting/development was during his reign. We had NO replacement players to sell off and/or graduate during a rebuild.

 

At some point, you had to have something to build off of, so we had Markstrom, Tanev, Edler, and Horvat. But there are so many holes on that team that it's laughable. Edler, in particular, was a relic from the past. Good defenseman, but again, no succession plan from Gillis.

 

Then we see Anaheim who did perform badly for a few years, and found itself trading players THIS YEAR to help their rebuild.

 

We just never had an owner (or a GM) who wanted to do it. This includes JR. We paid more than what we received just highlights the failure of this deadline.

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3 minutes ago, mll said:

Because he's in the last year of his deal.  Vegas has him on IR btw and not on LTIR per CapFriendly.  Teams typically try and keep players on IR rather than go on LTIR when unnecessary.

 

So this is no different than Player Name's situation in that essence. He's a dump, but when the playoffs roll in, the salary cap does not matter. Sure, it means they'll have less space in case of injury this season, but I think they're safe enough in a spot not to worry about player replacements.

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25 minutes ago, mll said:

Can't bank cap space in LTIR - reason why Vancouver has a bonus overage.

 

It's easily visible on CapFriendly.  Vancouver is operating in LTIR and created cap space this TDL by dealing Hamonic/Motte - you can see that they have over 3.5M in LTIR cap space.  That's the amount of cap hits they can still add to the roster and remain cap compliant.  

 

The column before is zero though - that's the amount of cap space they are banking till the end of the season.  Although they have 3.5M in LTIR cap space, if it goes unused it gets forfeited.  Performance bonuses come out of end of season cap space but Vancouver has none so they will entirely get rolled over into next season.

 

Look at all the teams in LTIR, regardless of how much cap space they still have to add to their roster, the vast majority have no end of season cap space.  The few that do is because they went into LTIR once the season already started and have been able to bank some cap space till then.

 

Teams who aren't in LTIR are banking cap space - ie every day that they are under 81.5M they are putting that cap space aside for future use.  Teams in LTIR can't because they are exceeding the cap so their extra cap space gets forfeited and they are losing cap space.


Taking back the Kesler contract is part of the cost of moving Dadonov.  It's not a benefit as Kesler will never play again and won't be activated come playoff time.  By moving him Anaheim gets to bank cap space and can limit the bonus overage for their ELC players.

 

It would be so fun to work as a cap person.

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