Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted March 21, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 16 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Such an awesome move by both teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 3 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said: Kesler actually would have fit perfectly with the Golden Egos if he could still play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Verbeek is so, so clear of Allvin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, AV. said: Verbeek is so, so clear of Allvin. Did you want us to take 4 mil in cap for a 2nd round pick? I thought we were trying to clear cap. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Did you want us to take 4 mil in cap for a 2nd round pick? I thought we were trying to clear cap. Ehh, just a creative move. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, AV. said: Ehh, just a creative move. Something you can afford to do if you have cap space, which we don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AV. Posted March 21, 2022 Share Posted March 21, 2022 Just now, DeNiro said: Something you can afford to do if you have cap space, which we don’t. I wonder whose fault that is... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DSVII Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) Nvm someone posted haha, (DELETE) Edited March 22, 2022 by DSVII Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drakrami Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 46 minutes ago, Devron said: Vegas is such a joke. We may not make the playoffs but I’d love to see the Canucks take them with them Why would you hate Vegas, they actually helped us out by trading Schmidt to us at a bargain at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mustard Tiger Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 So, Ducks trade rakell for picks, Then recoup that same level of player PLUS picks WHILE moving dead money. That's cool.. must be nice to have players with value * Not to mention the other trades as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Drakrami said: Why would you hate Vegas, they actually helped us out by trading Schmidt to us at a bargain at the time. I'm a Vegas fan myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post King Heffy Posted March 22, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 1 hour ago, Drakrami said: Why would you hate Vegas, they actually helped us out by trading Schmidt to us at a bargain at the time. That's the equivalent of liking your used car salesman because he went to his manager and got you a deal. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, Dazzle said: So Kesler is used for LTIR, essentially to "bank" cap space. Anaheim was willing to help Las Vegas, but they both win. The Canucks trade a third and gain a fourth. Ok. Can't bank cap space in LTIR - reason why Vancouver has a bonus overage. It's easily visible on CapFriendly. Vancouver is operating in LTIR and created cap space this TDL by dealing Hamonic/Motte - you can see that they have over 3.5M in LTIR cap space. That's the amount of cap hits they can still add to the roster and remain cap compliant. The column before is zero though - that's the amount of cap space they are banking till the end of the season. Although they have 3.5M in LTIR cap space, if it goes unused it gets forfeited. Performance bonuses come out of end of season cap space but Vancouver has none so they will entirely get rolled over into next season. Look at all the teams in LTIR, regardless of how much cap space they still have to add to their roster, the vast majority have no end of season cap space. The few that do is because they went into LTIR once the season already started and have been able to bank some cap space till then. Teams who aren't in LTIR are banking cap space - ie every day that they are under 81.5M they are putting that cap space aside for future use. Teams in LTIR can't because they are exceeding the cap so their extra cap space gets forfeited and they are losing cap space. Taking back the Kesler contract is part of the cost of moving Dadonov. It's not a benefit as Kesler will never play again and won't be activated come playoff time. By moving him Anaheim gets to bank cap space and can limit the bonus overage for their ELC players. Edited March 22, 2022 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, mll said: Can't bank cap space in LTIR - reason why Vancouver has a bonus overage. It's easily visible on CapFriendly. Vancouver is operating in LTIR and created cap space this TDL by dealing Hamonic/Motte - you can see that they have over 3.5M in LTIR cap space. That's the amount of cap hits they can still add to the roster and remain cap compliant. The column before is zero though - that's the amount of cap space they are banking till the end of the season. Although they have 3.5M in LTIR cap space, if it goes unused it gets forfeited. Performance bonuses come out of end of season cap space but Vancouver has none so they will entirely get rolled over into next season. Look at all the teams in LTIR, regardless of how much cap space they still have to add to their roster, the vast majority have no end of season cap space. The few that do is because they went into LTIR once the season already started and have been able to bank some cap space till then. Teams who aren't in LTIR are banking cap space - ie every day that they are under 81.5M they are putting that cap space aside for future use. Teams in LTIR can't because they are exceeding the cap so their extra cap space gets forfeited and they are losing cap space. Taking back the Kesler contract is part of the cost of moving Dadonov. It's not a benefit as Kesler will never play again and won't be activated come playoff time. I suppose it's short term pain, long term gain. There's no salary cap during the playoffs, so Kesler is hardly a punishment at that point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post -Vintage Canuck- Posted March 22, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted March 22, 2022 Plot twist. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 2 minutes ago, Dazzle said: I suppose it's short term pain, long term gain. There's no salary cap during the playoffs, so Kesler is hardly a punishment at that point. Because he's in the last year of his deal. Vegas has him on IR btw and not on LTIR per CapFriendly. Teams typically try and keep players on IR rather than go on LTIR when unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 35 minutes ago, Mustard Tiger said: So, Ducks trade rakell for picks, Then recoup that same level of player PLUS picks WHILE moving dead money. That's cool.. must be nice to have players with value * Not to mention the other trades as well And people fail to understand the damage that Gillis did for a team that was in need of a rebuild. We had players that were not worth a lot. Kesler, in particular, at that time was worth less than what he SHOULD'VE been worth. Though GIllis wasn't at fault for that circumstance, Gillis did not do the team any favours, given how poor the drafting/development was during his reign. We had NO replacement players to sell off and/or graduate during a rebuild. At some point, you had to have something to build off of, so we had Markstrom, Tanev, Edler, and Horvat. But there are so many holes on that team that it's laughable. Edler, in particular, was a relic from the past. Good defenseman, but again, no succession plan from Gillis. Then we see Anaheim who did perform badly for a few years, and found itself trading players THIS YEAR to help their rebuild. We just never had an owner (or a GM) who wanted to do it. This includes JR. We paid more than what we received just highlights the failure of this deadline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dazzle Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, mll said: Because he's in the last year of his deal. Vegas has him on IR btw and not on LTIR per CapFriendly. Teams typically try and keep players on IR rather than go on LTIR when unnecessary. So this is no different than Player Name's situation in that essence. He's a dump, but when the playoffs roll in, the salary cap does not matter. Sure, it means they'll have less space in case of injury this season, but I think they're safe enough in a spot not to worry about player replacements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris12345 Posted March 22, 2022 Share Posted March 22, 2022 25 minutes ago, mll said: Can't bank cap space in LTIR - reason why Vancouver has a bonus overage. It's easily visible on CapFriendly. Vancouver is operating in LTIR and created cap space this TDL by dealing Hamonic/Motte - you can see that they have over 3.5M in LTIR cap space. That's the amount of cap hits they can still add to the roster and remain cap compliant. The column before is zero though - that's the amount of cap space they are banking till the end of the season. Although they have 3.5M in LTIR cap space, if it goes unused it gets forfeited. Performance bonuses come out of end of season cap space but Vancouver has none so they will entirely get rolled over into next season. Look at all the teams in LTIR, regardless of how much cap space they still have to add to their roster, the vast majority have no end of season cap space. The few that do is because they went into LTIR once the season already started and have been able to bank some cap space till then. Teams who aren't in LTIR are banking cap space - ie every day that they are under 81.5M they are putting that cap space aside for future use. Teams in LTIR can't because they are exceeding the cap so their extra cap space gets forfeited and they are losing cap space. Taking back the Kesler contract is part of the cost of moving Dadonov. It's not a benefit as Kesler will never play again and won't be activated come playoff time. By moving him Anaheim gets to bank cap space and can limit the bonus overage for their ELC players. It would be so fun to work as a cap person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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