rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, Diamonds said: The only reason I would want Bear at this point is if we're sending back a cap dump and clearing some cap space. A defenseman who hasn't been dressed for a game yet this year shouldn't have any real value. Highly doubt Carolina wants a cap dump though. Exactly. Bear is a circus show in his own end. He is exactly what we DONT need right now. Unless Bedard is the goal. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Coconuts Posted October 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted October 27, 2022 Why the hell would we want Bear? He hasn't played at all for Carolina this season, let's not paint him out as some sort of great D or he'd be in their lineup. He'll be 26 next June, he's more than likely what he is at this point in his career. A bottom pairing guy at best or a depth D. He's not anything special, he's probably not even worth his cap hit. Only way I take Bear is as a cap dump with a good pick or prospect coming back. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fanfor42 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 34 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Why the hell would we want Bear? He hasn't played at all for Carolina this season, let's not paint him out as some sort of great D or he'd be in their lineup. He'll be 26 next June, he's more than likely what he is at this point in his career. A bottom pairing guy at best or a depth D. He's not anything special, he's probably not even worth his cap hit. Only way I take Bear is as a cap dump with a good pick or prospect coming back. ^this 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 38 minutes ago, Coconuts said: Why the hell would we want Bear? He hasn't played at all for Carolina this season, let's not paint him out as some sort of great D or he'd be in their lineup. He'll be 26 next June, he's more than likely what he is at this point in his career. A bottom pairing guy at best or a depth D. He's not anything special, he's probably not even worth his cap hit. Only way I take Bear is as a cap dump with a good pick or prospect coming back. That’s not due to Bear’s play/ability specifically, it’s due to Carolina being absolutely loaded on defense and having 6-8 guys better than him. Not his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, Pears said: That’s not due to Bear’s play/ability specifically, it’s due to Carolina being absolutely loaded on defense and having 6-8 guys better than him. Not his fault. So Chatfield is better than Bear. Yikes. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, rekker said: So Chatfield is better than Bear. Yikes. maybe a bit faster? he's also cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: maybe a bit faster? he's also cheaper. I just see no need on this team for Bears loosy, goosy play in the dzone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, rekker said: I just see no need on this team for Bears loosy, goosy play in the dzone. if we get a benefit in cap space or picks coming back, why not? what do we have to lose? he had a decent season in EDM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, rekker said: So Chatfield is better than Bear. Yikes. I don't think he's better, per se. I think he fits Carolinas team identity better then Bear does. Carolinas system just wants there D to be able defend well and then dump the puck. They don't need anything fancy from their D, because that's just not their jam. They play hard north/south and grind opponents down with strong 2way hockey. Bear doesn't fit their system, so he's not playing. Quite frankly, I don't know how good Bear is. But I feel pretty confident saying he's better then Chatfield in a vacuum. But on that Carolina team, Chatfield is the better player. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, Shayster007 said: I don't think he's better, per se. I think he fits Carolinas team identity better then Bear does. Carolinas system just wants there D to be able defend well and then dump the puck. They don't need anything fancy from their D, because that's just not their jam. They play hard north/south and grind opponents down with strong 2way hockey. Bear doesn't fit their system, so he's not playing. Quite frankly, I don't know how good Bear is. But I feel pretty confident saying he's better then Chatfield in a vacuum. But on that Carolina team, Chatfield is the better player. we also don't know what our pro scouts are seeing. I trust the new group over the last one, even with the current record. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 16 minutes ago, JM_ said: if we get a benefit in cap space or picks coming back, why not? what do we have to lose? he had a decent season in EDM. If they add a pick sure. Dickinson for Bear may have made sense rather than give up a second. But I just don't see the fit here for Bear. Unless we are going into rebuild mode and acquiring underperforming players for picks. Just not a fan of his game. Gives up too much defence for not enough return on offence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, JM_ said: we also don't know what our pro scouts are seeing. I trust the new group over the last one, even with the current record. To be honest, I trust Grandma over that last group. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 14 minutes ago, JM_ said: we also don't know what our pro scouts are seeing. I trust the new group over the last one, even with the current record. Seems this team is having as much difficulty acquiring a defensive D man as they have had acquiring anyone tough and can play forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coconuts Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Pears said: That’s not due to Bear’s play/ability specifically, it’s due to Carolina being absolutely loaded on defense and having 6-8 guys better than him. Not his fault. Even if this is true, he's just another 6-8 guy and that doesn't move the needle for me. Another 6-8D at 2.2M, people fuss about Poolman at 2.5, why would we bring in another bottom pairing guy making 2.2? We just paid a 2nd to get out of Dickinson's 2.65, if we're looking to acquire Bear to somehow stabilize our defense we're in bigger trouble than we realize. I'd sooner just play Keeper, Woo, Wolinen, or Juulsen. They're already in the system. We're going to crash or bounce back largely on the backs of players we already have, I don't see Bear changing that much. Edited October 27, 2022 by Coconuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Biggest mistake was not hiring a GM or assistant GM that has a successful track record of identifying NHL talent. Stillman and Bear are the type of players you target when that’s the case… 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Biggest mistake was not hiring a GM or assistant GM that has a successful track record of identifying NHL talent. Stillman and Bear are the type of players you target when that’s the case… They may as well just keep on, keeping on the tradition. Seriously, if this group thinks a hockey trade involving Bear will help? They've lost me. Like JM said, if there's a sweetner, or some different pieces involved ok. But if we are giving up assets for a dman that resembles Stevie Wonder in the dzone, on an overpaid contract, we got issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rawkdrummer Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Bear is 5-6 D-man, who cares. Not going to help us long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 For Poolman? Sure. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeanSeanBean Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 hour ago, JM_ said: we also don't know what our pro scouts are seeing. I trust the new group over the last one, even with the current record. 100%. The last groups pro scouting was pretty terrible. I'm not sold on the new group yet, but I'll still give them a chance. You can't possibly judge a group in half a year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kobayashi Maru Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 This is win win if it's for Pearson. Perfect swap of needs. They have the cap to bring him in and add that veteran presence and we get an RD that can play bottom pair and maybe above. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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