Crabcakes Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 9 hours ago, CanuckFan1123 said: I’d hate to give up on Hoglander, but I do feel with the state of the roster, he may never fully have a chance to blossom in Vancouver. At best, most of his playing time will be 3rd or 4th line for the foreseeable future given the talent up front, assuming we don’t start mass trading guys like Brock, Bo, etc. I do think a Hoglander for Bear deal benefits both teams. We desperately need help on defense and call ups like Juulsen and Briesbois are not the answer. Bear isn’t gonna light up the score sheet and he’s not gonna be absolutely incredible on both ends, but he would provide immediate help where we need it at a cheap cost and if he gets his game together, he could be a good longer term asset. I’d do that trade, unless we genuinely feel Hoglander is a part of our top 6, which I can only see if two or three of Brock, Garland, Podz, Kuz, Mikheyev, Pearson, are moved pretty soon, which I can’t really see. The biggest win-win trade is probably Pearson for Bear but the most realistic is Hoglander for Bear. If they do what they need to do, move 1 or 2 players off the top of the line up, they're going to need guys like Hoglander 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, CanuckFan1123 said: Bear has also been a healthy scratch on a team with much better overall defense than ours. No one is trying to say he’s a game changer that’s going to win us a cup, but he’s available, reasonably priced, and better than most of our current defense. Trust me, I like Hoglander but I think he’s our best trade chip to get a dman without breaking the bank. Bear is a good option. he might be on waivers today, doesn't get cheaper than that. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westcoastcanucks777 Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 3 hours ago, J-23 said: If Rutherford moves Hoglander for Bear he should just pack his bags. In no way does that deal benefit us lmfao. If the hog don’t wanna play D kick him in the pouch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BureBurrito Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 This is going to solve the D? The poor defensive play? Third period breakdowns? Special teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 If we do end up getting Bear off waivers, I hope there isn't instant hate for the guy. If he ends up a good bottom pair guy moving forward on a cheap deal thats just fine. Its not fair to direct all the d group angst his way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, JM_ said: he might be on waivers today, doesn't get cheaper than that. 2.2 isn’t cheap and who does he displace ? on fulltime basis when or if all the D men are heathy. Not that a totally health backend is likely but he would have to stay in. I guess u could waive him at that time? Edited October 27, 2022 by chon derry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Just now, chon derry said: 2.2 isn’t cheap and who does he displace ? on fulltime basis when or if all the D men are heathy. Not that a totally health backend is likely but he would have to stay in. I guess u could waive him at that time? worry about that then. Right now its fine to take a flyer on the kid if its for free, or is a net benefit in some other way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
higgyfan Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 51 minutes ago, combover said: A quality roster d man would be worth hoglander but that’s not what your getting in Bear. You point out hoglander been a heathy scratch yet Bear been a heathy scratch in every game. he’s a small bottom pair guy that struggles in is own end he’s not the answer to any problem he’s a #6,7 that’s what he is what he’s been its why teams find him expendable, it would be a waste to trade anything that’s not a cap dump aswell for him. If hoglander going then A decent pick should be accompanying Little bear back. Nice little $2.2m cap dump for the Canes as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 minute ago, JM_ said: worry about that then. Right now its fine to take a flyer on the kid if its for free, or is a net benefit in some other way. Well acquiring him does fill the gap and by doing so they’d have to decide if his play is better than whatever 3rd or 4th dman returning is capable of. In that aspect “for free “ up until decision Time does make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, chon derry said: Well acquiring him does fill the gap and by doing so they’d have to decide if his play is better than whatever 3rd or 4th dman returning is capable of. In that aspect “for free “ up until decision Time does make sense. we're not really in a position to be choosy. If we get the Bear that we saw in Edmonton and he can improve a bit from there? sure why not? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 1 hour ago, diesel_3 said: Bear doesn't move the needle at all. Is this FO just going to make lateral moves just to say to the fans 'see! we are doing something!' PASSSSSSS! Agreed. pretty sad when this team is hyping up the possibility of a guy that can't displace Chatfield for a roster spot 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, JM_ said: we're not really in a position to be choosy. If we get the Bear that we saw in Edmonton and he can improve a bit from there? sure why not? He is First Nations. It could be a good PR move with this bewildered management group. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, chon derry said: He is First Nations. It could be a good PR move with this bewildered management group. If we want a good PR move, give free seats at the next game to the Canucks for kids foundation. Trading assets just to trade assets for a pr move is how to throw gasoline on the fire 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, chon derry said: He is First Nations. It could be a good PR move with this bewildered management group. for sure. I don't think anyone is pumping Bears tires, but I don't see why he couldn't become a serviceable bottom pair guy who's a bit above what we have now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Warhippy said: If we want a good PR move, give free seats at the next game to the Canucks for kids foundation. Trading assets just to trade assets for a pr move is how to throw gasoline on the fire My posts weren’t about trading but acquiring off waivers. I’ll add Carolinas decision to go with chatfield could be the 1.5 mil difference in salary.? Which given the fact they ( canucks) let chatfeild go at that price is on its own kinda dumb in retrospect Edited October 27, 2022 by chon derry 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM_ Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, chon derry said: My posts weren’t about trading but acquiring off waivers. I’ll add Carolinas decision to go with chatfield could be the 1.5 mil difference in salary.? Which given the fact they ( canucks) let chatfeild go at that price is on its own kinda dumb in retrospect Chatfield was bad here. The only reason we're talking about him now is because of Bear. The only reason I can see Chatfield in over Bear is he's faster skating in a straight line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R3aL Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 Realistically Bear could be a waiver wire claim that’s the extent I’d pick him up and roll the dice. No more draft picks or young trade capital can be traded for players like this. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warhippy Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 27 minutes ago, chon derry said: My posts weren’t about trading but acquiring off waivers. I’ll add Carolinas decision to go with chatfield could be the 1.5 mil difference in salary.? Which given the fact they ( canucks) let chatfeild go at that price is on its own kinda dumb in retrospect Totally fair. but seeing what people are suggesting for him is kind of crazy. I'd rather trade Hoglander or Pearson for that pick and hope for the best from the scouts as opposed to paying assets for guys not even playing right now 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rekker Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 23 minutes ago, R3aL said: Realistically Bear could be a waiver wire claim that’s the extent I’d pick him up and roll the dice. No more draft picks or young trade capital can be traded for players like this. Agreed. Maybe drafting and developing our own dmen!?!? What a concept. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strawbone Posted October 27, 2022 Share Posted October 27, 2022 I bet Bear isn't too interested in Vancouver. It must be a pretty unpopular trade destination at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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