[PGT] Vancouver Canucks at Edmonton Oilers | Dec. 23, 2022

[Attila Umbrus]

Merry Christmas everyone.

 

Here’s hoping 2023 will be better for the Canucks, us fans, and everything else that’s going on in the world…so much turmoil since covid.

 

I wish y’all the best!

[5nothincanucksohno]

1 hour ago, Alflives said:

I think our core (Demko, Petey, Hughes, Bo, Miller) is good enough to win providing the supporting group is excellent.  It appears, from their term, current management has two years more to improve that supporting cast and make us a winner. 

So who, from the supporting group, that eats cap and has term, is on the outs?  I’d say Boeser, Garland, Pearson, Myers, OEL. It’s only a matter of when and what the return will be.  (OEL could be a buyout.)

Do you think Horvat and Miller are accountable enough to drive a team committed to defense? I'd like to see this team make it work, just lack the confidence in Horvat and Miller being able to lead as required.

[spook007]

Finally had a chance to watch the game... Great game, but

 

Was that a Oilers feed or National TV commentary? Never have I such a bias pile of crap...

The leagues best PP, the Leagues best player, McD never embellish, bla bla bla rinse repeat... Wauh just wauh... what a load of crap to listen to..

 

Never mind... Oilers got their a*ses handed to them.

 

What a performance by Delia and great performance on a back to back...

 

Merry Christmas CDC....

 

Edited December 24, 2022 by spook007

[5nothincanucksohno]

1 hour ago, Gurn said:

Where do you get this idea that E.P wanting to stay here,  is  a fact?

Agent (grain of salt) was pretty clear that EP wants to sign long-term

[spook007]

7 hours ago, IBatch said:

Yes EP likely ends up with one boffo legacy deal.   Just hope he keeps it reasonable.    11-12% depending on what he does next season as well isn't out of the question.   Marner type deal maybe.  

 

Think we can make a trade for Brock, it might look bad on paper, and for sure just a cap dump.    That's the likely scenario playoff bound or not.    Could see us trading Brock anytime in the New Year.    Team has to start somewhere and both scenarios (blowing it up or re-tooling) means that Brock and Myers need to go.   

Absolutely need a clear out amongst some of the players...

Don't think Myers will go until TDL or next season, but what do I know... But yes there will be a fair few heading for the exit doors at the first opportunity.

[Maginator]

1 minute ago, stawns said:

How in the world anyone would think that is a good idea is so far beyond me, I can't even express it 

 

He's a solid d with, what, 3 years left after this year and you want to pay him not to play for Van for 8 years?

He has 4 years left after this one.

 

I don't think he's terrible but the defence needs surgery big time. It's the reason we have one of the league's worst goals againsta. Maybe trading Myers alone is the solution but honestly I think it needs more than that. I have been a big OEL supporter.. Not sure why or how his play and specifically his skating has dropped off since last season.

 

My assessment of OEL

Positives

- some offensive upside. Gets pucks through. Takes smart shots.

- Can handle breakouts well/makes crisp passes *when not under pressure*

- Good stickwork

- Ties up well

 

Negatives

- Phaneuf-esque pivoting

- Struggles to defend at high speeds

- Not physical

- Poor zone coverage at times

 

At 20+ minutes a night though..? He's not that guy anymore. He could work on the 3rd pairing but like I said... This defence needs a major operation. I really don't think he's a "solid D" as you've stated. We can just agree to disagree and see what management can pull off this offseason.

 

If we have any chance of keeping Bo it's through an OEL buyout.

 

IMO the buyout sucks in year 3 and 4 but the rest is peanuts.

[stawns]

Just now, Maginator said:

He has 4 years left after this one.

 

I don't think he's terrible but the defence needs surgery big time. It's the reason we have one of the league's worst goals againsta. Maybe trading Myers alone is the solution but honestly I think it needs more than that. I have been a big OEL supporter.. Not sure why or how his play and specifically his skating has dropped off since last season.

 

My assessment of OEL

Positives

- some offensive upside. Gets pucks through. Takes smart shots.

- Can handle breakouts well/makes crisp passes *when not under pressure*

- Good stickwork

- Ties up well

 

Negatives

- Phaneuf-esque pivoting

- Struggles to defend at high speeds

- Not physical

- Poor zone coverage at times

 

At 20+ minutes a night though..? He's not that guy anymore. He could work on the 3rd pairing but like I said... This defence needs a major operation. I really don't think he's a "solid D" as you've stated. We can just agree to disagree and see what management can pull off this offseason.

 

If we have any chance of keeping Bo it's through an OEL buyout.

 

IMO the buyout sucks in year 3 and 4 but the rest is peanuts.

You think carrying a $2m+ dollar cap hit for 7-8 years is peanuts while they try to build a contender?  Then you have to go out and spend the $ to replace OEL's mins anyway, as they certainly don't have anyone in house who can fill that spot.

 

It's just a colossally bad idea.

 

Yiu want to make room?  Miller, Boeser, Hughes

[Devron]

4 minutes ago, spook007 said:

Finally had a chance to watch the game... Great game, but

 

Was that a Oilers feed or National TV commentary? Never have I such a bias pile of crap...

The leagues best PP, the Leagues best player, McD never embellish, bla bla bla rinse repeat... Wauh just wauh... what a load of crap to listen to..

 

Never mind... Oilers got their a*ses handed to them.

 

What a performance by Delia and get performance on a back to back...

 

Merry Christmas CDC....

 

I’ve been in a dark place as a Canucks fan.

I thought we’d lose both games. We beat Seattle and still I thought we’d lose to the Oilers though. 5-2 sounded about right.

 

But.. it was us that won 5-2

 

My favourite comment in the GDT was “Bo looks checked out” hahaha 4 points baby

 

Im enjoying this. It’s an uphill climb but I’m cheering again.

 

 

 

 

[Barnstorm]

16 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

This is all for you @Ray_Cathodehope you enjoy.

OEL has been on the ice for 6 low danger goals against and an additional 5 medium danger goals. Myers has been on the ice for 4 low danger goals against and 3 medium danger goals.

Hughes had been on for 1 low danger goal against and 4 medium danger goals. 
 

which means…… wait for it… WAIT FOR IT….. OEL and Myers have been on the ice for far more bad goals than Hughes and anyone else, MEANING they are victims of poor goaltending. 

 

It aint a theory, its a f***in fact. 

 

[Maginator]

Just now, stawns said:

You think carrying a $2m+ dollar cap hit for 7-8 years is peanuts while they try to build a contender?  Then you have to go out and spend the $ to replace OEL's mins anyway, as they certainly don't have anyone in house who can fill that spot.

 

It's just a colossally bad idea.

 

Yiu want to make room?  Miller, Boeser, Hughes

Hey it's just an idea.

 

I don't think it out of the realm of possibilities and should be looked at. IMO his play doesn't warrant 20+ minutes a night, and he could be a huge part of the reason why we are where we are.

 

Not saying it should or shouldn't be done but it needs to be considered if we want to re-sign Bo.

 

I'm just glad I'm not the GM. I'd already have no hair left on my head...

[Devron]

3 minutes ago, stawns said:

Yiu want to make room?  Miller, Boeser, Hughes

To make room and keep OEL? I’m fine with OEL but there are way better routes than this 

[5nothincanucksohno]

15 minutes ago, Devron said:

Signing Horvat wouldn’t be a mistake. I’m tired of this crap. Not everyone declines like LE in this league. Bo will be great till his mid 30’s

 

I think they’ll be forced to trade him though and I’m prepared for it 

At $8.5x8?

[DeNiro]

Teams when they have a 2-0 lead on the Canucks:

 

[Devron]

1 minute ago, 5nothincanucksohno said:

At $8.5x8?

Who knows man. It’s all Smoke until it happens. I’d like to see it at 7.5 

[stawns]

6 minutes ago, Devron said:

To make room and keep OEL? I’m fine with OEL but there are way better routes than this 

A buyout of the contract is the only out with OEL as he has a NMC 

 

Miller is the completely wrong timeline for this team and was never the right move.  Further more, he's not really as equipped to be a C as they (and the rest of us) had hoped.  At this point, he's pretty much a PP specialist.

 

As I've said, to truly move the needle this team needs a hugely lopsided trade and there's only two players who will accomplish that and of the two, one of them was declared untouchable and one of them.has a very unique situation with his two other brothers on an up and coming team, with more than a few good assets to deal with

 

[Devron]

6 minutes ago, stawns said:

A buyout of the contract is the only out with OEL as he has a NMC 

 

Miller is the completely wrong timeline for this team and was never the right move.  Further more, he's not really as equipped to be a C as they (and the rest of us) had hoped.  At this point, he's pretty much a PP specialist.

 

As I've said, to truly move the needle this team needs a hugely lopsided trade and there's only two players who will accomplish that and of the two, one of them was declared untouchable and one of them.has a very unique situation with his two other brothers on an up and coming team, with more than a few good assets to deal with

 

I don’t see it. I don’t see jersey making that deal but you never know I suppose. I do get where your coming from though 

[5nothincanucksohno]

13 minutes ago, Devron said:

Who knows man. It’s all Smoke until it happens. I’d like to see it at 7.5 

Ya fair enough but that is the discussion...sign him to a big contract (and at what level) or take the assets and re-allocate to different positions. I wouldn't go over $7M if I was Mgmt.

 

 

Edited December 24, 2022 by 5nothincanucksohno

[aGENT]

31 minutes ago, Devron said:

Get some real help on the backend before we make OEL judgements like buyout etc. Boeser, Garland, Myers frees up a lot of cap space. 

Yeah I don't get it. How about we fix some of the other glaring holes, lack of defensive/2 way, ill fitting and redundant players first before we decide to pay a perfectly capable, top 4D for EIGHT years, to not play for us 

 

19 minutes ago, Devron said:

To make room and keep OEL? I’m fine with OEL but there are way better routes than this 

Yup... Garland, Boeser, Myers and eventually Pearson please. That's about $20m right there.

[aqua59]

Yes they won. 

 

The focus around here is Vancouver, rightly so.

 

Mean while in Edmonton and Calgary both teams struggle to meet their fan base's expectations.

Very similar to Vancouver's situation. 

 

So Vancouver's last two wins can be looked upon as encouraging in some ways the perspective is they beat a team they should beat in Seattle and beat a team in Edmonton that might be just as bad as Vancouver. 

 

Edmonton is a overrated team. Marginal defense, average at best goal tending.

 

I'm glad Vancouver won but they beat an equally lame group. 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

3 minutes ago, aGENT said:

Yeah I don't get it. How about we fix some of the other glaring holes, lack of defensive/2 way, ill fitting and redundant players first before we decide to pay a perfectly capable, top 4D for EIGHT years, to not play for us 

 

Yup... Garland, Boeser, Myers and eventually Pearson please. That's about $20m right there.

I don't see anybody wanting Bowser or Myers without retaining salary.