Edit- Rick Tocchet Expected To Be Next Head Coach

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Slegr said:

It sounds like Rick Tocchet is a guaranteed thing at this point as the next coach. I’m not feeling at all confident about this. The guy has a losing record in the NHL as head coach, and he has been criminally charged with conspiracy and promoting gambling. 
What exactly does he offer us?

The very fact he was investigated with credible issues concerns and a full federal look in to his potential gambling and match fixing as coach is a serious concern yup.

[Dazzle]

11 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

Show me then, how many NHL teams had success drafting between 25 and 30 between 2009 and 2013.  Tell me who the players were and where they are now or what teams they actually achieved success on.

 

I have those names on hand and am just wondering if you'd "enlighten me" who they are.  Because if you want to simply pick and choose the smallest minutiae of information to defame an entire era of management I want all the information.

Minnesota Wild

 

 

Nashville Predators

 

Florida Panthers

 

 

Tampa Bay in two years.

 

[Dazzle]

4 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

I...don't recall the Ducks Flames and Jets drafting at an average of 25th through 30th from 2009 through 2013.

 

But just for reference.  Since, obviously draft position and actual team success and pushing for championships don't matter.  

 

Tell me, what is the difference between the screenshots you posted vs this one from vancouver?  Tell me, what are or were the affiliate AHL teams for development for those teams vs the Canucks in those years?  No no, since it doesn't matter obviously it's ok.  But out of curiousit I'd like to know

 

Seems kind of easier to draft and develop players successfully when you're drafting higher but whatever.

 

 

Look, your argument is falling flat. You can't just repeat the same argument that a team was chasing a championship. 

 

Tampa Bay got way more value from their later round picks AND they were perennially competing.

 

Anaheim, Calgary, and Winnipeg are not even the best examples of good drafting, yet they greatly outperformed the Canucks in the later rounds (2nd round and beyond).

 

Like I said, we are not even talking about 1st round picks. We are talking about the lack of DEPTH that Gillis provided. Stop making excuses.

 

 

[*Buzzsaw*]

Hiring Rick Tocchet is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard.

 

Does not have a winning record.... the only reason they'd get him is because he's a disciplinarian and maybe Aquaman thinks he'll kick the sh*t out of the team and motivate them.

 

We need a systems overhaul and a new defense, not a bandage coach.

[Warhippy]

1 minute ago, Dazzle said:

Minnesota Wild

 

 

Nashville Predators

 

Florida Panthers

 

 

Tampa Bay in two years.

 

So...drafting 3rd two years in a row?  11th and 18th?  16th, 9th and 10th?  That is the same as drafting 22nd, 26th 29th and 24th?

 

Personally I blame the lack of Canucks success right now on poor drafting from 1995 through 1997  I also blame Nonis for the failures of 2005, 06, 07.  I also blame Takahashi for all the issues and injuries suffered by Canucks prospects which never let them develop properly.  Oh, and Bauer for making the insides of skates too uncomfortable for wearing over long periods of time.

 

And of course Mike Gillis for not having any prospects on the team a decade after being let go 

[Dazzle]

Just now, Warhippy said:

So...drafting 3rd two years in a row?  11th and 18th?  16th, 9th and 10th?  That is the same as drafting 22nd, 26th 29th and 24th?

 

Personally I blame the lack of Canucks success right now on poor drafting from 1995 through 1997  I also blame Nonis for the failures of 2005, 06, 07.  I also blame Takahashi for all the issues and injuries suffered by Canucks prospects which never let them develop properly.  Oh, and Bauer for making the insides of skates too uncomfortable for wearing over long periods of time.

 

And of course Mike Gillis for not having any prospects on the team a decade after being let go 

It's funny though. I LITERALLY pulled out evidence that fits your required parameters from 2009 to 2013, drafting between 25th to 30th.

Anaheim is such a convenient example because they drafted 30th. Who did they draft with the 30th pick in the 1st round?

 

 

And what happens? You ignore evidence once again.

 

Anaheim scored Rakell, Gibson, Karlsson, and Mansson all in the same draft.

 

That's more hits than what Gillis did in 6 years combined.

 

Why are you ignoring evidence again?

[Warhippy]

5 minutes ago, Dazzle said:

Look, your argument is falling flat. You can't just repeat the same argument that a team was chasing a championship. 

 

Tampa Bay got way more value from their later round picks AND they were perennially competing.

 

Anaheim, Calgary, and Winnipeg are not even the best examples of good drafting, yet they greatly outperformed the Canucks in the later rounds (2nd round and beyond).

 

Like I said, we are not even talking about 1st round picks. We are talking about the lack of DEPTH that Gillis provided. Stop making excuses.

 

 

You know what bud.  I need to put you on silent because this conversation is so full of ignorance it hurts.  Blaming Gillis for this team not having any depth or proespects or for having a disatrous decade since he was released is like blaming the girl you kissed in 10th grade for your maritial failures in your 40's.  At some point in time you need to grow up and accept the fact that maybe just MAYBE the blame lies elsewhere.  but since you don't want to I won't waste another moment trying to help you figure out how sad that excuse is.

 

Have a gooder champ.  Don't forget to light a candle and curse Gillis's children for Juolevi and Virtanen not working out.

 

As a famous former Canucks draft pick that Gillis managed to completely fail us on said.  "It is what it is"

[Dazzle]

Just now, Warhippy said:

You know what bud.  I need to put you on silent because this conversation is so full of ignorance it hurts.  Blaming Gillis for this team not having any depth or proespects or for having a disatrous decade since he was released is like blaming the girl you kissed in 10th grade for your maritial failures in your 40's.  At some point in time you need to grow up and accept the fact that maybe just MAYBE the blame lies elsewhere.  but since you don't want to I won't waste another moment trying to help you figure out how sad that excuse is.

 

Have a gooder champ.  Don't forget to light a candle and curse Gillis's children for Juolevi and Virtanen not working out.

 

As a famous former Canucks draft pick that Gillis managed to completely fail us on said.  "It is what it is"

What a joke.

 

You gave me parameters and I gave you answers that satisfied those requirements. Because you didn't like the evidence, you are putting me on silent now?

 

I freaking hate this board sometimes.

[Warhippy]

13 minutes ago, *Buzzsaw* said:

Hiring Rick Tocchet is one of the stupidest ideas I've heard.

 

Does not have a winning record.... the only reason they'd get him is because he's a disciplinarian and maybe Aquaman thinks he'll kick the sh*t out of the team and motivate them.

 

We need a systems overhaul and a new defense, not a bandage coach.

Maybe...we can poach Tortorella away from Philly?

[DeNiro]

35 minutes ago, Slegr said:

It sounds like Rick Tocchet is a guaranteed thing at this point as the next coach. I’m not feeling at all confident about this. The guy has a losing record in the NHL as head coach, and he has been criminally charged with conspiracy and promoting gambling. 
What exactly does he offer us?

He has three cup rings.

 

He offers what he’s learned from some legendary coaches.

 

Not fair to use Arizonas record. No coach would have success in that situation.

 

I’m willing to reserve judgement.

 

 

Edited January 16, 2023 by DeNiro

[AnthonyG]

1 hour ago, Master Mind said:

It's Gillis. G-I-L-L-I-S

G-I-L-L-A-S-S emphasis on the a-s-s

[MJDDawg]

42 minutes ago, Warhippy said:

The very fact he was investigated with credible issues concerns and a full federal look in to his potential gambling and match fixing as coach is a serious concern yup.

Yup no doubt.

But par for the course with this team. Added to existing current legal issues against current management around this team with handling of Pearson injury, a human rights complaint and abuse allegations against the owner not to mention the actual on ice embarrassment the team has become. So no big deal adding a gambling and match fixing coach to the to the mix. 

Seriously though, it would be just another big black eye for this team imo. 

[Warhippy]

8 minutes ago, MJDDawg said:

Yup no doubt.

But par for the course with this team. Added to existing current legal issues against current management around this team with handling of Pearson injury, a human rights complaint and abuse allegations against the owner not to mention the actual on ice embarrassment the team has become. So no big deal adding a gambling and match fixing coach to the to the mix. 

Seriously though, it would be just another big black eye for this team imo. 

Let's be honest.

 

At this point both eyes are blackened.  Lips are split and this is just cauliflowering the right ear because the left one is already deaf

[Provost]

8 minutes ago, MJDDawg said:

Yup no doubt.

But par for the course with this team. Added to existing current legal issues against current management around this team with handling of Pearson injury, a human rights complaint and abuse allegations against the owner not to mention the actual on ice embarrassment the team has become. So no big deal adding a gambling and match fixing coach to the to the mix. 

Seriously though, it would be just another big black eye for this team imo. 

If you surround yourself with sketchier guys, you look good in comparison… the owner is playing 3D chess!

 

Welcome our new Director of Player Personnel… OJ Simpson along with our new Director of Ethics, Lance Armstrongz

[Herberts Vasiljevs]

 

[Fred65]

4 hours ago, AnthonyG said:

Okay.

Did you really just spell Kesler, Kessler? are you a fan of this team or not? its K-E-S-L-E-R why are so many "fans" here unable to remember how to spell fan favourite players names? 

Oooooh soooo hard to add role players on a contender... I cant believe anyone would want to come play for a contender. Lmfao. You act like he had a hard job to do to find bottom 6 guys and a couple Dmen. Drafting and developing is the actual hard work of building a contender. 

 

Gillass did sweet F all compared to Burke and Nonis. He also handed off the Garisson contract a disgruntled Kesler with an NMC, traded Samuelsson for David Booth, got Markstrom and Matthias for Luongo, what a terrible trade. A #1 goalie in the league for a struggling prospect. Luongo was still putting up elite numbers and was a top 10 in Vezina voting twice after being traded.

 

You're just too impatient and no offence incompetent to understand that just because you drafted well, doesnt mean growing pains of development arent a thing. Do you remember the Sedins? took them some years to get going. Our core is mainly under 25. Maybe take a chill pill and let the youth gain some experience and grow. 

You cant even handle whats going on right now, I know you cant handle a rebuild, because THIS IS PART OF A REBUILD. DRAFTING DEVELOPING GAINING EXPERIENCE MATURING AND REACHING ATHLETIC PRIME. Get a bloody grip on reality bud. 

Well I'll need to disagree, As to the drafting, Horvat is one of the best choices Vcr ever made and of cause became Captian.. Hodgson of course best player in the WJC ( if you're interested ) suffered from a serious of back problems which curtailed his career. Shinkaruk badly damaged his hip and was never the same,  He some how managed to turn Patrick White + A guy named Rahimi into Erhoff ( absolute robbery )

Put in a terrible postion by Mrs Luomgo did mange to bring Markstrom to Vcr and then signed NCAA F/A Tannev. Other brought to the team to take us to the Stanley Cap game 7  ( regretfull without the help Hamhuis (Hip injury ), Erhoff ( dislocated  soulder) Edler broken finger and Rome suspended by Mr Jacobs.) He aslo brought in essential foot soldiers such as Lappiere, Higgins, Torres,Weise. He uderstood the need for more muscle for a run to the SC. Thinking about it, maybe Torres and Lappiere would look good on todays roster.

We all know his league success, and of course voted by other NHL GM's as the best manager in  the league ( which holds more water than some fans rants )

 

His big mistake was allowing FA to make Torts head  coach and then disagreeing with FA about tearing the team down and starting fresh. Aquaman didn't like that and  fired the franchises most successsful GM ever!!. Just think if we had followed his advise ( echoed by Torts ) where we would be now. Instead we hired  yes man  rookie GM  J Benning who left a  Cap mess of huge proportions. Also wasted valuable years with rookie NHL Coach. What a mess, why are we are where are well JB 8 years life as  GM was acrucial part

 

 

[King Heffy]

2 hours ago, Slegr said:

It sounds like Rick Tocchet is a guaranteed thing at this point as the next coach. I’m not feeling at all confident about this. The guy has a losing record in the NHL as head coach, and he has been criminally charged with conspiracy and promoting gambling. 
What exactly does he offer us?

An opportunity to further disgrace the franchise beyond what Rutherford has already done with his refusal to conduct himself like a professional.  There is absolutely no excuse for even considering hiring this worthless piece of ****.

[AnthonyG]

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Mike Gillis successfully drafted from April 23rd 2008 through 2013 prior to Benning taking over

 

2008:  Cody Hodgson 10th, 

2009:  Jordan Schroder 22nd, Kevin Connauton 83rd

2012:  Brendan Gaunce 26th, Ben Hutton 147th

2013:  Bo Horvat 9th

 

 

I breezed through your hard work and found it hilarious when I read this, well there is a couple things I found hilarious. 1) I dont need the last 20 years of history when I already know it. 2) This was Benning vs Gillis not Benning vs Gillis, Burke and Nonis. Why are we talking about Burke and Nonis when I have clearly stated many times on these forums the work that they did and how crucial their drafting and the development of our prospects were in relation to the success of the Canucks, especially in that 2010-11 run and the 2012 back-to-back Presidents trophy winners. 

 

Gillis "successfully drafted"

Cody Hodgson

Schroeder

Connauton

Gaunce

and Hutton

 

More like Gillis UNSUCCESSFULLY  drafted Hodgson, Schroeder, Connauton, Gaunce

sort of successfully drafted Hutton and successfully drafted Horvat

 

FTFY

 

2 hours ago, Warhippy said:

Don't throw your shoulders out moving those goal posts.  You're ignoring literally EVERY SINGLE aspect of that post to focus on exactly one thing and one thing only.  The draft.

 

Remind me again of who drafted what successfully.

 

Because, without Burkes first year (Allan, Chubarov and Ruutu) he only had 5 total players successfully drafted that played more than 200 games in his 5 years as GM.  Nonis in his 3 full years as GM had 6 in 3 years while Gillis had 4 in his 6 years.   I won't mention Benning at all but will point out that only Burke and Gillis had any level of true Playoff success and Burke had a 4th, 2nd and 3rd overall pick he drafted to do it with while Gillis drafted on average 26th in the first round when he did draft.

 

By comparison what the ever loving hell has/had Benning done with a near decade of high draft picks?  To sit and blame Gillis for the state of this club is an utter joke.  It's been a near decade of excuses and it sounds as sad as Oilers fans claiming their gretzky cups

In bold.

You want to talk about moving goal posts????

JUST off the top of my head, Burke "only drafted" THE F***ING SEDINS?????? LOLOLOL Umm KESLER???? BIEKSA?????? 

 

You probably should have stopped talking a long time ago.

3 hours ago, DSVII said:

It's pointless man. He doesn’t believe in the value of draft position because Pastranak went 25th overall once. He fully expects Gillis picking 22nd to replicate what Benning did at the 5th pick because its as simple as that. 

 

hahaaha so cute. I can tell who you're asking to be your valentine. You upset bro? I guess development never clicked for you did it?

 

Lets see every single cup winning team has one major thing in common. 

YEARS OF DEVELOPMENT

 STL, TBL, PIT, WSH, DET

Go do some research, go take a look at how many of their key players spent 2-4 years developing, BEFORE getting called up and making an impact. 

Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2013 Entry	7	1	Darnell Nurse	D	Soo Greyhounds [OHL]	522	60	153	213	444
2013 Entry	56	2	Marco Roy	C	Blainville-Boisbriand Armada [QMJHL]
2013 Entry	83	3	Bogdan Yakimov	C	Nizhnekamsk Jrs. (Russia)	1	0	0	0	0
2013 Entry	88	3	Anton Slepyshev	L	Ufa Salavat Yulayev [KHL]	102	10	13	23	14
2013 Entry	94	4	Jackson Houck	R	Vancouver Giants [WHL]
2013 Entry	96	4	Kyle Platzer	C	London Knights [OHL]
2013 Entry	113	4	Aidan Muir	L	Victory Honda Midget (MWEHL)
2013 Entry	128	5	Evan Campbell	L	Langley Rivermen [BCHL]
2013 Entry	158	6	Ben Betker	D	Everett Silvertips [WHL]
2013 Entry	188	7	Greg Chase	L	Calgary Hitmen [WHL]
2012 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2012 Entry	1	1	Nail Yakupov	R	Sarnia Sting [OHL]	350	62	74	136	142
2012 Entry	32	2	Mitch Moroz	L	Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]
2012 Entry	63	3	Jujhar Khaira	L	Prince George Spruce Kings [BCHL]	314	30	42	72	216
2012 Entry	91	3	Daniil Zharkov	L	Belleville Bulls [OHL]
2012 Entry	93	4	Erik Gustafsson	D	Djurgardens IF Stockholm [SEL]	353	39	135	174	102
2012 Entry	123	5	Joey Laleggia	D	U. of Denver [WCHA]
2012 Entry	153	6	John McCarron	F	Cornell University [ECAC]
2011 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2011 Entry	1	1	Ryan Nugent-Hopkins	C	Red Deer Rebels [WHL]	764	217	364	581	263
2011 Entry	19	1	Oscar Klefbom	D	Farjestads BK Karlstad [SEL]	378	34	122	156	74
2011 Entry	31	2	David Musil	D	Vancouver Giants [WHL]	4	0	2	2	2
2011 Entry	62	3	Samu Perhonen	G	JYP Jrs. (Finland)
2011 Entry	74	3	Travis Ewanyk	C	Edmonton Oil Kings [WHL]
2011 Entry	92	4	Dillon Simpson	D	U. of North Dakota [WCHA]	3	0	0	0	2
2011 Entry	114	4	Tobias Rieder	C	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	478	64	81	145	52
2011 Entry	122	5	Martin Gernat	D	Kosice Jr. [Slovakia]
2011 Entry	182	7	Frans Tuohimaa	G	Jokerit Jrs (Finland)
2010 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2010 Entry	1	1	Taylor Hall	L	Windsor Spitfires [OHL]	803	261	426	687	434
2010 Entry	31	2	Tyler Pitlick	C	Minnesota State U - Mankato [WCHA]	354	50	44	94	90
2010 Entry	46	2	Martin Marincin	D	Slovakia U20 [Slovakia]	227	5	29	34	110
2010 Entry	48	2	Curtis Hamilton	L	Saskatoon Blades [WHL]	1	0	0	0	5
2010 Entry	61	3	Ryan Martindale	C	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
2010 Entry	91	4	Jeremie Blain	D	Acadie-Bathurst Titan [QMJHL]
2010 Entry	121	5	Tyler Bunz	G	Medicine Hat Tigers [WHL]	1	0	0	0	0
2010 Entry	162	6	Brandon Davidson	D	Regina Pats [WHL]	180	9	14	23	82
2010 Entry	166	6	Drew Czerwonka	L	Kootenay Ice [WHL]
2010 Entry	181	7	Kristians Pelss	L	Dynamo Jr. [Belarus]
2010 Entry	202	7	Kellen Jones	R	Vernon Vipers [BCHL]
2009 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
2009 Entry	10	1	Magnus Paajarvi	L	Timra IK [SEL]	467	62	62	124	78
2009 Entry	40	2	Anton Lander	C	Timra IK [SEL]	215	10	25	35	56
2009 Entry	71	3	Troy Hesketh	D	Minnetonka H.S. (Minn.)
2009 Entry	82	3	Cameron Abney	R	Everett Silvertips [WHL]
2009 Entry	99	4	Kyle Bigos	D	Vernon Vipers [BCHL]
2009 Entry	101	4	Toni Rajala	L	Ilves Jrs. (Finland)
2009 Entry	133	5	Olivier Roy	G	Cape Breton Screaming Eagles [QMJHL]

 

Looks like a lot of wasted picks. TONS OF DRAFT CAPITAL... but not much to show for it. Hmm I WONDER WHY??? could it be development???? noooo Its because they didnt have moar draft capital. lol 

Lmao I should pull up Chicago's draft capital for the last 42 years lmfao. Its attrocious. Go look for yourself. Go  scroll back to 1980 and see JUST how many picks they had and wasted. 

Heres just a hint of how much "draft capital" did

 

1993 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1993 Entry	24	1	Eric Lecompte	L	Hull Olympiques [QMJHL]
1993 Entry	50	2	Eric Manlow	L	Kitchener Rangers [OHL]	37	2	4	6	8
1993 Entry	54	3	Bogdan Savenko	R	Niagara Falls Thunder [OHL]
1993 Entry	76	3	Ryan Huska	C	Kamloops Blazers [WHL]	1	0	0	0	0
1993 Entry	90	4	Eric Daze	L	Beauport Harfangs [QMJHL]	601	226	172	398	176
1993 Entry	102	4	Patrick Pysz	R	Augsburg EV [2.GBun]
1993 Entry	128	5	Jonni Vauhkonen	R	Reipas Lahti [SM-liiga]
1993 Entry	180	7	Tom White	L	Westminster H.S. (Conn.)
1993 Entry	206	8	Sergei Petrov	R	Cloquet H.S. (Minn.)
1993 Entry	232	9	Mike Rusk	D	Guelph Storm [OHL]
1993 Entry	258	10	Mike McGhan	L	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]
1993 Entry	284	11	Tom Noble	G	Catholic Memorial H.S. (Mass.)
1992 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1992 Entry	12	1	Sergei Krivokrasov	R	CSKA Moscow [Russia]	450	86	109	195	288
1992 Entry	36	2	Jeff Shantz	C	Regina Pats [WHL]	642	72	139	211	341
1992 Entry	41	2	Sergei Klimovich	C	Moscow Dynamo [Russia]	1	0	0	0	2
1992 Entry	89	4	Andy MacIntyre	L	Saskatoon Blades [WHL]
1992 Entry	113	5	Tim Hogan	D	U. of Michigan [CCHA]
1992 Entry	137	6	Gerry Skrypec	D	Ottawa 67's [OHL]
1992 Entry	161	7	Mike Prokopec	R	Cornwall Royals [OHL]	15	0	0	0	11
1992 Entry	185	8	Layne Roland	R	Portland Winter Hawks [WHL]
1992 Entry	209	9	David Hymovitz	L	Thayer Academy (Mass.)
1992 Entry	233	10	Richard Raymond	D	Cornwall Royals [OHL]
1991 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1991 Entry	22	1	Dean McAmmond	L	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]	996	186	262	448	490
1991 Entry	39	2	Mike Pomichter	L	Springfield Olympics (NEJHL)
1991 Entry	44	2	Jamie Matthews	C	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]
1991 Entry	66	3	Bobby House	R	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]
1991 Entry	71	4	Igor Kravchuk	D	CSKA Moscow [Russia]	699	64	210	274	251
1991 Entry	88	4	Zac Boyer	R	Kamloops Blazers [WHL]	3	0	0	0	0
1991 Entry	110	5	Maco Balkovec	D	Merritt Centennials [BCJHL]
1991 Entry	112	6	Kevin St. Jacques	C	Lethbridge Hurricanes [WHL]
1991 Entry	132	6	Jacques Auger	D	U. of Wisconsin [WCHA]
1991 Entry	154	7	Scott Kirton	R	Powell River Paper Kings [BCJHL]
1991 Entry	176	8	Roch Belley	G	Niagara Falls Thunder [OHL]
1991 Entry	198	9	Scott MacDonald	D	Choate Rosemary Hall (Conn.)
1991 Entry	220	10	Alexander Andrijevski	L	Moscow Dynamo [Russia]	1	0	0	0	0
1991 Entry	242	11	Mike Larkin	D	Rice Memorial H.S. (Mass.)
1991 Entry	264	12	Scott Dean		Lake Forest H.S. (Ill.)
1990 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1990 Entry	16	1	Karl Dykhuis	D	Hull Olympiques [QMJHL]	644	42	91	133	495
1990 Entry	37	2	Ivan Droppa	D	Liptovsky Mikulas (Czech.)	19	0	1	1	14
1990 Entry	79	4	Chris Tucker	F	Bloomington Jefferson H.S. (Minn.)
1990 Entry	121	6	Brent Stickney	F	St. Paul's H.S. (N.H.)
1990 Entry	124	6	Derek Edgerly	C	Stoneham [Mass. H.S.]
1990 Entry	163	8	Hugo Belanger	L	Clarkson University [ECAC]
1990 Entry	184	9	Owen Lessard	L	Owen Sound Platers [OHL]
1990 Entry	205	10	Erik Peterson	C	Brockton H.S. (Mass.)
1990 Entry	226	11	Steve Dubinsky	C	Clarkson University [ECAC]	375	25	45	70	164
1990 Entry	247	12	Dino Grossi	F	Northeastern University [H-East]
1989 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1989 Entry	6	1	Adam Bennett	D	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	69	3	8	11	69
1989 Entry	27	2	Mike Speer	D	Guelph Platers [OHL]
1989 Entry	48	3	Bob Kellogg	D	Springfield Olympics (NEJHL)
1989 Entry	111	6	Tommi Pullola	F	Sport (Finland)
1989 Entry	132	7	Tracy Egeland	R	Prince Albert Raiders [WHL]
1989 Entry	153	8	Milan Tichy	D	Plzen [Czech.]	23	0	5	5	40
1989 Entry	174	9	Jason Greyerbiehl	F	Colgate University [ECAC]
1989 Entry	195	10	Matt Saunders	W	Northeastern University [H-East]
1989 Entry	216	11	Mike Kozak	F	Clarkson University [ECAC]
1989 Entry	237	12	Mike Doneghey	G	Catholic Memorial H.S. (Mass.)
1988 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1988 Entry	8	1	Jeremy Roenick	C	Thayer Academy (Mass.)	1363	513	703	1216	1463
1988 Entry	50	3	Trevor Dam	R	London Knights [OHL]
1988 Entry	71	4	Stefan Elvenes	R	Rogle (Sweden)
1988 Entry	92	5	Joe Cleary	D	Stratford Jr. B
1988 Entry	113	6	Justin Lafayette	C	Ferris State University [CCHA]
1988 Entry	134	7	Craig Woodcroft	C	Colgate University [ECAC]
1988 Entry	155	8	Jon Pojar		Roseville H.S. (Minn.)
1988 Entry	176	9	Matt Hentges	D	Edina H.S. (Minn.)
1988 Entry	197	10	Daniel Maurice	C	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]
1988 Entry	218	11	Dirk Tenzer	D	St. Paul�s H.S. (N.H.)
1988 Entry	239	12	Andreas Lupzig	F	Landshut EV [Germ]
1987 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1987 Entry	8	1	Jimmy Waite	G	Chicoutimi Sagueneens [QMJHL]	106	0	1	1	10
1987 Entry	29	2	Ryan McGill	D	Swift Current Broncos [WHL]	151	4	15	19	391
1987 Entry	50	3	Cam Russell	D	Hull Olympiques [QMJHL]	396	9	21	30	872
1987 Entry	60	3	Mike Dagenais	D	Peterborough Petes [OHL]
1987 Entry	92	5	Ulf Sandstrom	F	MODO Hockey Ornskoldsvik [SEL]
1987 Entry	113	6	Mike McCormick	R	Richmond Sockeyes [BCJHL]
1987 Entry	134	7	Stephen Tepper	R	Westboro H.S. (Mass.)	1	0	0	0	0
1987 Entry	155	8	John Reilly	L	Phillips Academy (Mass.)
1987 Entry	176	9	Lance Werness	R	Burnsville H.S. (Minn.)
1987 Entry	197	10	Dale Marquette	L	Brandon Wheat Kings [WHL]
1987 Entry	218	11	Bill LaCouture	R	Natick H.S. (Mass.)
1987 Entry	239	12	Mike Lappin	C	Northwood Prep (N.Y.)
1986 Entry
Draft	Num.	Round	Player	Pos	Drafted From	GP	G	A	Pts	PIM
1986 Entry	14	1	Everett Sanipass	L	Verdun Junior Canadiens [QMJHL]	164	25	34	59	358
1986 Entry	35	2	Mark Kurzawski	D	Windsor Compuware Spitfires [OHL]
1986 Entry	77	4	Frantisek Kucera	D	Sparta Praha [Czech]	465	24	95	119	251
1986 Entry	98	5	Lonnie Loach	L	Guelph Platers [OHL]	56	10	13	23	29
1986 Entry	119	6	Mario Doyon	D	Drummondville Voltigeurs [QMJHL]	28	3	4	7	16
1986 Entry	140	7	Mike Hudson	C	Sudbury Wolves [OHL]	416	49	87	136	414
1986 Entry	161	8	Marty Nanne	R	U. of Minnesota [WCHA]
1986 Entry	182	9	Geoff Benic	L	Windsor Compuware Spitfires [OHL]
1986 Entry	203	10	Glenn Lowes	L	Toronto Marlboros [OHL]
1986 Entry	224	11	Chris Thayer		Kent H.S. (Conn.)
1986 Entry	245	12	Sean Williams	C	Oshawa Generals [OHL]	2	0	0	0	4

 

 

Seems to me like they really "capitalized" on draft capital and produced almost nothing. Thats just 7 years too.

 

Draft capital can suck it, if there is no development path in place. IT DOES NOTHING. 

 

Show me your draft capital that actually drafted QUALITY NHL talent that didnt need development. Please I'd LOVE to see that. 

Edited January 16, 2023 by AnthonyG

[CanucksJay]

Wouldn't it be hilarious if the rumor was started by management to get OEL to. Waive his ntc? 

As soon as he waives and ia traded, they come out and deny the coaching rumors lol

[CanucksJay]

21 minutes ago, King Heffy said:

An opportunity to further disgrace the franchise beyond what Rutherford has already done with his refusal to conduct himself like a professional.  There is absolutely no excuse for even considering hiring this worthless piece of ****.

What did he do to be so hated here?