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8 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said:

“This is the biggest ordinary course buyout in NHL history”

 

That’s the cost when you have to make the worst trade in history to cover over for three awful contracts: Eriksson, Roussel, and Beagle. 

October 16th 1989 the Toronto Maple Leafs traded their 1st round pick in 1991 (Scott Niedermayer) to New Jersey for Tom Kurvers.

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So I thought about this a fair bit. Pearson coming back changes the picture quite dramatically. We'll have around 9.5 million of cap we can spend instead of 12. 

 

Minimum needs:

1x top-4 LD

1x Penalty killing 3C

1x Backup goalie

2x third pair defensemen

 

Im like 90% sure this is the outcome:

 

1. Qualify Bear

2. Re-sign Juulsen

3. Get one of the big name LD from UFA (Graves or Soucy) (4m x 4 ish)

4. Get a 3C from UFA

4. Fill 3rd pairing from within

5. Bring back Burroughs

 

Start of the season something like this:

Hughes-Juulsen

Soucy-Hronek

Wolanin-Burroughs

 

Yikes.

 

Once Bear returns from injury:
 

Hughes-Bear

Soucy-Hronek

Wolanin-Juulsen

 

Oof. 

 

We are not gonna be a good team unless management can move one of Garland Boeser or Beauvillier. That Defense just isnt adequate. 

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3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said:

So I thought about this a fair bit. Pearson coming back changes the picture quite dramatically. We'll have around 9.5 million of cap we can spend instead of 12. 

 

Minimum needs:

1x top-4 LD

1x Penalty killing 3C

1x Backup goalie

2x third pair defensemen

 

Im like 90% sure this is the outcome:

 

1. Qualify Bear

2. Re-sign Juulsen

3. Get one of the big name LD from UFA (Graves or Soucy) (4m x 4 ish)

4. Get a 3C from UFA

4. Fill 3rd pairing from within

5. Bring back Burroughs

 

Start of the season something like this:

Hughes-Juulsen

Soucy-Hronek

Wolanin-Burroughs

 

Yikes.

 

Once Bear returns from injury:
 

Hughes-Bear

Soucy-Hronek

Wolanin-Juulsen

 

Oof. 

 

We are not gonna be a good team unless management can move one of Garland Boeser or Beauvillier. That Defense just isnt adequate. 

dear god I hope not that looks so bad 

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The defense has to be the focal point this summer. Demko is entering his prime, and if given a solid defense to backstop, he'll dominate.

 

No more half-measures. 

 

They've taken some risks already, with Hronek and OEL's buyout. I think they're going to make some serious moves that'll drastically improve the defense. 

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1 minute ago, Canucks Curse said:

dear god I hope not that looks so bad 

"We tried to make moves, unfortunately cap didnt allow it blah blah.. we believe in our young guys, blah blah"

 

this coming season is a write-off, always has been

 

Following season should be better

 

Hopefully by then Johansson and/or D-Petey will be ready to step into the lineup and offer outsized value for their ELCs

 

Myers + Pearson contracts gone

 

Room to make bigger moves and get another top-4 RHD

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Just now, PhillipBlunt said:

The defense has to be the focal point this summer. Demko is entering his prime, and if given a solid defense to backstop, he'll dominate.

 

No more half-measures. 

 

They've taken some risks already, with Hronek and OEL's buyout. I think they're going to make some serious moves that'll drastically improve the defense. 

need a backup goalie too

demko playing more than 60 games means injury

 

and we cant afford to lose more than 50% of the games our backup plays

 

4m on a defenseman

3m filling out 3 roster spots

2.5m on a backup goalie

 

need a miracle- one of garland, boeser, beauvillier 100% absolutely needs to be moved if our lineup is gonna be anywhere near NHL caliber next year

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1 minute ago, eeeeergh said:

need a backup goalie too

demko playing more than 60 games means injury

 

Silovs, brah.

1 minute ago, eeeeergh said:

and we cant afford to lose more than 50% of the games our backup plays

A cheap vet backup would be insurance.

1 minute ago, eeeeergh said:

4m on a defenseman

There every well may be a larger trade for an impact defenseman. 

1 minute ago, eeeeergh said:

3m filling out 3 roster spots

Third line center could be acquired through trading a winger like Garland.

1 minute ago, eeeeergh said:

2.5m on a backup goalie

Maybe $1M.

1 minute ago, eeeeergh said:

need a miracle- one of garland, boeser, beauvillier 100% absolutely needs to be moved if our lineup is gonna be anywhere near NHL caliber next year

Probably two will be moving. 

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17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said:

 

Silovs, brah.

A cheap vet backup would be insurance.

There every well may be a larger trade for an impact defenseman. 

Third line center could be acquired through trading a winger like Garland.

Maybe $1M.

Probably two will be moving. 

Not even against bringing Delia back as depth, but I think we can pull the plug on the Martin experiment.

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3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said:

Not even against bringing Delia back as depth, but I think we can pull the plug on the Martin experiment.

Martin was our own Hamburgler 

 

Went on a run then faded back to AHL quality 

 

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4 minutes ago, Devron said:

Martin was our own Hamburgler 

 

Went on a run then faded back to AHL quality 

 

Pretty much.

 

I don’t see some people stressing enough importance on the backup goaltending position.

 

For me it’s two top 4 D men and then backup goalie.

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1 minute ago, DeNiro said:

Pretty much.

 

I don’t see some people stressing enough importance on the backup goaltending position.

 

For me it’s two top 4 D men and then backup goalie.

Yeah I’d like to see Silovs play 80% or the games in Abby next year. I don’t like f’n around with goalies developing 

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3 hours ago, coryberg said:

October 16th 1989 the Toronto Maple Leafs traded their 1st round pick in 1991 (Scott Niedermayer) to New Jersey for Tom Kurvers.

That’s a biggy, up with Cam Neely, but neither of those strangled a team financially and cap wise. Losing a great player is bad, but devastatingly yourself financially is much, much worse. Benning’s bad financial deals were like a snowball rolling downhill, accumulating worse and worse consequences as he attempted to fix the previous problem and just spread out to encompass more areas. His terrible financial work caused to sacrifice draft picks and to lose the opportunity to re-sign players such as Toffoli (who was traded twice subsequently for first round picks), Tanev, Stetcher, or to get something, at least, for the loss of Markstrom. 

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of all dmen to play 1700+mins in all situations in 2021-22

OEL was

16th fewest xGA - 88.43

13th fewest HDCA - 336
4th fewest HDGA - 37

5th best oiSV% - 91.70%

12th most dzone starts - 350
20th fewest SCA - 871

13th fewest HDCA - 336

25th fewest MDCA - 535

23rd fewest MDGA - 27

9th most LDCA - 786

16th most LDGA - 16

17th best GA/60 - 2.83

6th best HDGA/60 - 1.26

 

 

I think its safe to say a healthy OEL is a legit top 4 anywhere in the league.


last season, obviously he wasnt healthy and had one of the worst GA/60 with 4.52GA/60

however his xGA drops by nearly 1.5GA/60

GA/60 vs xGA/60

4.52/60 vs 3.13

that is a massive drop. Goaltending made him look far worse than he was.

Dont believe me?

 

Dmen to play 900+mins all strengths
Edmundson - 4.36xGA

Fowler

McDonagh

Peeke

Provorov

Cernak

Krug

Klingberg

Mayfield

Carlson

Forsling

Shattenkirk

Faulk

Gavrikov

Ekblad

Pelech

Matheson

Lindell

Vlasic

Nurse

Pietrangelo - 3.43xGA

Hedman - 3.38xGA
Chiarot

Oleksiak

Gudas

Romanov

Josi

Dillon

Parayko

Pionk

Brodin

Karlsson

Sieder

Larsson

Orlov

Ekholm

Graves

Ristolainen

Marino

Mountour

Letang

OEL - 3.13xGA

 

 

1.23xGA difference between some of the guys at the top and .25-.3 for the guys in the middle.

 

I see plenty of top 4 D around and above his wages with worse numbers on better teams in good health. Thats on a bad ankle and with worse dpartners than a lot of those guys listed, which I didnt even list all of them. Whats their excuse?


 

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2 hours ago, DeNiro said:

Pretty much.

 

I don’t see some people stressing enough importance on the backup goaltending position.

 

For me it’s two top 4 D men and then backup goalie.

That’s exactly right, I agree. 
 

we really need a winger or two gone.. If we fail to move out a winger we’re only gonna be able to get 2 of the following: 

 

Top 4 dman

top 4 d man 

3C

nhl caliber backup goalie 

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17 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

of all dmen to play 1700+mins in all situations in 2021-22

OEL was

16th fewest xGA - 88.43

13th fewest HDCA - 336
4th fewest HDGA - 37

5th best oiSV% - 91.70%

12th most dzone starts - 350
20th fewest SCA - 871

13th fewest HDCA - 336

25th fewest MDCA - 535

23rd fewest MDGA - 27

9th most LDCA - 786

16th most LDGA - 16

17th best GA/60 - 2.83

6th best HDGA/60 - 1.26

 

 

I think its safe to say a healthy OEL is a legit top 4 anywhere in the league.


last season, obviously he wasnt healthy and had one of the worst GA/60 with 4.52GA/60

however his xGA drops by nearly 1.5GA/60

GA/60 vs xGA/60

4.52/60 vs 3.13

that is a massive drop. Goaltending made him look far worse than he was.

Dont believe me?

 

Dmen to play 900+mins all strengths
Edmundson - 4.36xGA

Fowler

McDonagh

Peeke

Provorov

Cernak

Krug

Klingberg

Mayfield

Carlson

Forsling

Shattenkirk

Faulk

Gavrikov

Ekblad

Pelech

Matheson

Lindell

Vlasic

Nurse

Pietrangelo - 3.43xGA

Hedman - 3.38xGA
Chiarot

Oleksiak

Gudas

Romanov

Josi

Dillon

Parayko

Pionk

Brodin

Karlsson

Sieder

Larsson

Orlov

Ekholm

Graves

Ristolainen

Marino

Mountour

Letang

OEL - 3.13xGA

 

 

1.23xGA difference between some of the guys at the top and .25-.3 for the guys in the middle.

 

I see plenty of top 4 D around and above his wages with worse numbers on better teams in good health. Thats on a bad ankle and with worse dpartners than a lot of those guys listed, which I didnt even list all of them. Whats their excuse?


 

Could contain: Clothing, Hat, Nature, Outdoors, Snow, Snowman, Winter

I’m a believer, wish you were the one calling the shots on this buyout tbh 

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30 minutes ago, AnthonyG said:

of all dmen to play 1700+mins in all situations in 2021-22

OEL was

16th fewest xGA - 88.43

13th fewest HDCA - 336
4th fewest HDGA - 37

5th best oiSV% - 91.70%

12th most dzone starts - 350
20th fewest SCA - 871

13th fewest HDCA - 336

25th fewest MDCA - 535

23rd fewest MDGA - 27

9th most LDCA - 786

16th most LDGA - 16

17th best GA/60 - 2.83

6th best HDGA/60 - 1.26

 

 

I think its safe to say a healthy OEL is a legit top 4 anywhere in the league.


last season, obviously he wasnt healthy and had one of the worst GA/60 with 4.52GA/60

however his xGA drops by nearly 1.5GA/60

GA/60 vs xGA/60

4.52/60 vs 3.13

that is a massive drop. Goaltending made him look far worse than he was.

Dont believe me?

 

Dmen to play 900+mins all strengths
Edmundson - 4.36xGA

Fowler

McDonagh

Peeke

Provorov

Cernak

Krug

Klingberg

Mayfield

Carlson

Forsling

Shattenkirk

Faulk

Gavrikov

Ekblad

Pelech

Matheson

Lindell

Vlasic

Nurse

Pietrangelo - 3.43xGA

Hedman - 3.38xGA
Chiarot

Oleksiak

Gudas

Romanov

Josi

Dillon

Parayko

Pionk

Brodin

Karlsson

Sieder

Larsson

Orlov

Ekholm

Graves

Ristolainen

Marino

Mountour

Letang

OEL - 3.13xGA

 

 

1.23xGA difference between some of the guys at the top and .25-.3 for the guys in the middle.

 

I see plenty of top 4 D around and above his wages with worse numbers on better teams in good health. Thats on a bad ankle and with worse dpartners than a lot of those guys listed, which I didnt even list all of them. Whats their excuse?


 

Could contain: Clothing, Hat, Nature, Outdoors, Snow, Snowman, Winter

These stats are a big reason I was not for an OEL buyout. Him returning, healthy, for next season to gauge where he really is would’ve been useful. With a consistent and improved coaching staff, we could the evaluate the need for a buyout. We aren’t in desperate need of cap space this season, so the buyout could’ve waited till next season. 
 

And if he played well, maybe a trade with retained salary could be on the table. You could’ve retained the same amount of the cheaper $2m buyout price and pay it for half the time. 
 

Or he performed really well and you just keep him. Worst case scenario he is not good and you buy him out the next year and save a few seasons.

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