coryberg Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Ray_Cathode said: “This is the biggest ordinary course buyout in NHL history” That’s the cost when you have to make the worst trade in history to cover over for three awful contracts: Eriksson, Roussel, and Beagle. October 16th 1989 the Toronto Maple Leafs traded their 1st round pick in 1991 (Scott Niedermayer) to New Jersey for Tom Kurvers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 So I thought about this a fair bit. Pearson coming back changes the picture quite dramatically. We'll have around 9.5 million of cap we can spend instead of 12. Minimum needs: 1x top-4 LD 1x Penalty killing 3C 1x Backup goalie 2x third pair defensemen Im like 90% sure this is the outcome: 1. Qualify Bear 2. Re-sign Juulsen 3. Get one of the big name LD from UFA (Graves or Soucy) (4m x 4 ish) 4. Get a 3C from UFA 4. Fill 3rd pairing from within 5. Bring back Burroughs Start of the season something like this: Hughes-Juulsen Soucy-Hronek Wolanin-Burroughs Yikes. Once Bear returns from injury: Hughes-Bear Soucy-Hronek Wolanin-Juulsen Oof. We are not gonna be a good team unless management can move one of Garland Boeser or Beauvillier. That Defense just isnt adequate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucks Curse Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, eeeeergh said: So I thought about this a fair bit. Pearson coming back changes the picture quite dramatically. We'll have around 9.5 million of cap we can spend instead of 12. Minimum needs: 1x top-4 LD 1x Penalty killing 3C 1x Backup goalie 2x third pair defensemen Im like 90% sure this is the outcome: 1. Qualify Bear 2. Re-sign Juulsen 3. Get one of the big name LD from UFA (Graves or Soucy) (4m x 4 ish) 4. Get a 3C from UFA 4. Fill 3rd pairing from within 5. Bring back Burroughs Start of the season something like this: Hughes-Juulsen Soucy-Hronek Wolanin-Burroughs Yikes. Once Bear returns from injury: Hughes-Bear Soucy-Hronek Wolanin-Juulsen Oof. We are not gonna be a good team unless management can move one of Garland Boeser or Beauvillier. That Defense just isnt adequate. dear god I hope not that looks so bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, coryberg said: October 16th 1989 the Toronto Maple Leafs traded their 1st round pick in 1991 (Scott Niedermayer) to New Jersey for Tom Kurvers. Yupp I would do the OEL trade 10 times out of 10 over this one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 The defense has to be the focal point this summer. Demko is entering his prime, and if given a solid defense to backstop, he'll dominate. No more half-measures. They've taken some risks already, with Hronek and OEL's buyout. I think they're going to make some serious moves that'll drastically improve the defense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Canucks Curse said: dear god I hope not that looks so bad "We tried to make moves, unfortunately cap didnt allow it blah blah.. we believe in our young guys, blah blah" this coming season is a write-off, always has been Following season should be better Hopefully by then Johansson and/or D-Petey will be ready to step into the lineup and offer outsized value for their ELCs Myers + Pearson contracts gone Room to make bigger moves and get another top-4 RHD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, PhillipBlunt said: The defense has to be the focal point this summer. Demko is entering his prime, and if given a solid defense to backstop, he'll dominate. No more half-measures. They've taken some risks already, with Hronek and OEL's buyout. I think they're going to make some serious moves that'll drastically improve the defense. need a backup goalie too demko playing more than 60 games means injury and we cant afford to lose more than 50% of the games our backup plays 4m on a defenseman 3m filling out 3 roster spots 2.5m on a backup goalie need a miracle- one of garland, boeser, beauvillier 100% absolutely needs to be moved if our lineup is gonna be anywhere near NHL caliber next year 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, eeeeergh said: need a backup goalie too demko playing more than 60 games means injury Silovs, brah. 1 minute ago, eeeeergh said: and we cant afford to lose more than 50% of the games our backup plays A cheap vet backup would be insurance. 1 minute ago, eeeeergh said: 4m on a defenseman There every well may be a larger trade for an impact defenseman. 1 minute ago, eeeeergh said: 3m filling out 3 roster spots Third line center could be acquired through trading a winger like Garland. 1 minute ago, eeeeergh said: 2.5m on a backup goalie Maybe $1M. 1 minute ago, eeeeergh said: need a miracle- one of garland, boeser, beauvillier 100% absolutely needs to be moved if our lineup is gonna be anywhere near NHL caliber next year Probably two will be moving. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuck73_3 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Silovs, brah. A cheap vet backup would be insurance. There every well may be a larger trade for an impact defenseman. Third line center could be acquired through trading a winger like Garland. Maybe $1M. Probably two will be moving. Not even against bringing Delia back as depth, but I think we can pull the plug on the Martin experiment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Not even against bringing Delia back as depth, but I think we can pull the plug on the Martin experiment. Martin was our own Hamburgler Went on a run then faded back to AHL quality Edited June 23, 2023 by Devron 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, Devron said: Martin was our own Hamburgler Went on a run then faded back to AHL quality Pretty much. I don’t see some people stressing enough importance on the backup goaltending position. For me it’s two top 4 D men and then backup goalie. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, Devron said: Martin was our own Hamburgler Went on a run then faded back to AHL quality I wish he went on a Hamburgler run. Martin's run was like 6 games. Lol. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devron Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, DeNiro said: Pretty much. I don’t see some people stressing enough importance on the backup goaltending position. For me it’s two top 4 D men and then backup goalie. Yeah I’d like to see Silovs play 80% or the games in Abby next year. I don’t like f’n around with goalies developing 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 hours ago, coryberg said: October 16th 1989 the Toronto Maple Leafs traded their 1st round pick in 1991 (Scott Niedermayer) to New Jersey for Tom Kurvers. That’s a biggy, up with Cam Neely, but neither of those strangled a team financially and cap wise. Losing a great player is bad, but devastatingly yourself financially is much, much worse. Benning’s bad financial deals were like a snowball rolling downhill, accumulating worse and worse consequences as he attempted to fix the previous problem and just spread out to encompass more areas. His terrible financial work caused to sacrifice draft picks and to lose the opportunity to re-sign players such as Toffoli (who was traded twice subsequently for first round picks), Tanev, Stetcher, or to get something, at least, for the loss of Markstrom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, canuck73_3 said: Not even against bringing Delia back as depth, but I think we can pull the plug on the Martin experiment. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhillipBlunt Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 58 minutes ago, DeNiro said: Pretty much. I don’t see some people stressing enough importance on the backup goaltending position. For me it’s two top 4 D men and then backup goalie. Has to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnthonyG Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) of all dmen to play 1700+mins in all situations in 2021-22 OEL was 16th fewest xGA - 88.43 13th fewest HDCA - 336 4th fewest HDGA - 37 5th best oiSV% - 91.70% 12th most dzone starts - 350 20th fewest SCA - 871 13th fewest HDCA - 336 25th fewest MDCA - 535 23rd fewest MDGA - 27 9th most LDCA - 786 16th most LDGA - 16 17th best GA/60 - 2.83 6th best HDGA/60 - 1.26 I think its safe to say a healthy OEL is a legit top 4 anywhere in the league. last season, obviously he wasnt healthy and had one of the worst GA/60 with 4.52GA/60 however his xGA drops by nearly 1.5GA/60 GA/60 vs xGA/60 4.52/60 vs 3.13 that is a massive drop. Goaltending made him look far worse than he was. Dont believe me? Dmen to play 900+mins all strengths Edmundson - 4.36xGA Fowler McDonagh Peeke Provorov Cernak Krug Klingberg Mayfield Carlson Forsling Shattenkirk Faulk Gavrikov Ekblad Pelech Matheson Lindell Vlasic Nurse Pietrangelo - 3.43xGA Hedman - 3.38xGA Chiarot Oleksiak Gudas Romanov Josi Dillon Parayko Pionk Brodin Karlsson Sieder Larsson Orlov Ekholm Graves Ristolainen Marino Mountour Letang OEL - 3.13xGA 1.23xGA difference between some of the guys at the top and .25-.3 for the guys in the middle. I see plenty of top 4 D around and above his wages with worse numbers on better teams in good health. Thats on a bad ankle and with worse dpartners than a lot of those guys listed, which I didnt even list all of them. Whats their excuse? Edited June 23, 2023 by AnthonyG 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 hours ago, DeNiro said: Pretty much. I don’t see some people stressing enough importance on the backup goaltending position. For me it’s two top 4 D men and then backup goalie. That’s exactly right, I agree. we really need a winger or two gone.. If we fail to move out a winger we’re only gonna be able to get 2 of the following: Top 4 dman top 4 d man 3C nhl caliber backup goalie 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eeeeergh Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 17 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: of all dmen to play 1700+mins in all situations in 2021-22 OEL was 16th fewest xGA - 88.43 13th fewest HDCA - 336 4th fewest HDGA - 37 5th best oiSV% - 91.70% 12th most dzone starts - 350 20th fewest SCA - 871 13th fewest HDCA - 336 25th fewest MDCA - 535 23rd fewest MDGA - 27 9th most LDCA - 786 16th most LDGA - 16 17th best GA/60 - 2.83 6th best HDGA/60 - 1.26 I think its safe to say a healthy OEL is a legit top 4 anywhere in the league. last season, obviously he wasnt healthy and had one of the worst GA/60 with 4.52GA/60 however his xGA drops by nearly 1.5GA/60 GA/60 vs xGA/60 4.52/60 vs 3.13 that is a massive drop. Goaltending made him look far worse than he was. Dont believe me? Dmen to play 900+mins all strengths Edmundson - 4.36xGA Fowler McDonagh Peeke Provorov Cernak Krug Klingberg Mayfield Carlson Forsling Shattenkirk Faulk Gavrikov Ekblad Pelech Matheson Lindell Vlasic Nurse Pietrangelo - 3.43xGA Hedman - 3.38xGA Chiarot Oleksiak Gudas Romanov Josi Dillon Parayko Pionk Brodin Karlsson Sieder Larsson Orlov Ekholm Graves Ristolainen Marino Mountour Letang OEL - 3.13xGA 1.23xGA difference between some of the guys at the top and .25-.3 for the guys in the middle. I see plenty of top 4 D around and above his wages with worse numbers on better teams in good health. Thats on a bad ankle and with worse dpartners than a lot of those guys listed, which I didnt even list all of them. Whats their excuse? I’m a believer, wish you were the one calling the shots on this buyout tbh 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lewlowned Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, AnthonyG said: of all dmen to play 1700+mins in all situations in 2021-22 OEL was 16th fewest xGA - 88.43 13th fewest HDCA - 336 4th fewest HDGA - 37 5th best oiSV% - 91.70% 12th most dzone starts - 350 20th fewest SCA - 871 13th fewest HDCA - 336 25th fewest MDCA - 535 23rd fewest MDGA - 27 9th most LDCA - 786 16th most LDGA - 16 17th best GA/60 - 2.83 6th best HDGA/60 - 1.26 I think its safe to say a healthy OEL is a legit top 4 anywhere in the league. last season, obviously he wasnt healthy and had one of the worst GA/60 with 4.52GA/60 however his xGA drops by nearly 1.5GA/60 GA/60 vs xGA/60 4.52/60 vs 3.13 that is a massive drop. Goaltending made him look far worse than he was. Dont believe me? Dmen to play 900+mins all strengths Edmundson - 4.36xGA Fowler McDonagh Peeke Provorov Cernak Krug Klingberg Mayfield Carlson Forsling Shattenkirk Faulk Gavrikov Ekblad Pelech Matheson Lindell Vlasic Nurse Pietrangelo - 3.43xGA Hedman - 3.38xGA Chiarot Oleksiak Gudas Romanov Josi Dillon Parayko Pionk Brodin Karlsson Sieder Larsson Orlov Ekholm Graves Ristolainen Marino Mountour Letang OEL - 3.13xGA 1.23xGA difference between some of the guys at the top and .25-.3 for the guys in the middle. I see plenty of top 4 D around and above his wages with worse numbers on better teams in good health. Thats on a bad ankle and with worse dpartners than a lot of those guys listed, which I didnt even list all of them. Whats their excuse? These stats are a big reason I was not for an OEL buyout. Him returning, healthy, for next season to gauge where he really is would’ve been useful. With a consistent and improved coaching staff, we could the evaluate the need for a buyout. We aren’t in desperate need of cap space this season, so the buyout could’ve waited till next season. And if he played well, maybe a trade with retained salary could be on the table. You could’ve retained the same amount of the cheaper $2m buyout price and pay it for half the time. Or he performed really well and you just keep him. Worst case scenario he is not good and you buy him out the next year and save a few seasons. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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