Pius Suter | #24 | C

[-AJ-]

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

Will he live up to these numbers two years later?

 

 

 

[-AJ-]

Some info on Suter

- On the smaller side at 5'11", 179lbs

- Expect 25-35 points from him in 82 games, but his ceiling (based on his rookie year) is as high as about 40 points

- 3C for Detroit last year

- Minus three rating was third among Detroit regular forwards last year

- Fairly weak at face-offs with 46.8% last year, though was at 49.3% in 2021-22

- Despite being the 3C, took fewer face-offs than Joe Veleno, the 4C (which is weird, because he's even worse at them)

- Somewhat low hit frequency, though not alarmingly so (8th of top 12 Detroit forwards)

- Average block frequency

- Takeaways are double his giveaways (strong ratio)

- Extremely responsible on the penalty front--takes very few penalties, though also doesn't draw too many. Still a net positive on that front.

- Appears to probably spend most of his time on PK2, but maybe some time on PK1 as well. Arguably Detroit's best PK forward over the past two years, though more PK1 time might make it harder for him to continue results

- Played on PP2 in 2021-22, but was largely absent from the powerplay in 2022-23

- 52.1% OZ% in 2021-22, but took on a more defensive role in 2022-23 with 44.3 OZ%

- CORSI of 46.2% this year, which is arguably an improvement over last year's despite being about the same, because he was played more defensively

- 2/3 shootout in his career for a strong 66.6%

- Cap Friendly lists him as a C/LW, but it appears he's spent most of his NHL career as a centre

 

In summary, Suter was used more offensively in 2021-22, but last year was deployed more defensively, which probably somewhat led to lower offensive output. He's been extremely effective on the PK, but it's hard to tell if that's been on PK1 or PK2 (likely a bit of both) (PK1 minutes are obviously harder). His face-offs aren't great, which should improve if he's to become a great defensive centre.

 

All in all, probably a steal for $1.6M.

[Fakename70]

Fantastic news. Canucks add yet another LH Forward. Particularly, at a position where they really don’t need one. 

[Chickenspear]

Funny, after hearing his first name spoken, I've realized I've mixed up the 'u' and 'i' for years now. 

 

[Nuxfanabroad]

Sutes our needs, y'might say.

[-AJ-]

4 minutes ago, Chickenspear said:

Funny, after hearing his first name spoken, I've realized I've mixed up the 'u' and 'i' for years now. 

 

You might call him the "next" Suter.

[icycold]

2 hours ago, Fakename70 said:

Fantastic news. Canucks add yet another LH Forward. Particularly, at a position where they really don’t need one. 

Not exactly true, he can play center or wing, commented on how he played all three positions in one game but the main point is he's here for a cpl years while we grow the farm to fill it (for once)  

 This isn't something we're used to though but as the next 2-3 seasons roll past, odds are that it'll happen and let the newbies fight over spots and know they have to play a hard 200' game consistently in order to get paid the big bucks..  

  Remember we've just started using our farm for the first time in team history IF it keeps up with not trading away more futures than we have in the last ummm forever.... 

Does it suck to have to wait until it gets going full swing at it for the next 2-3 drafts, that will a surprise that I never thought I'd EVER see, I thought we were doomed for more of the same selling out the farm for a seasonal depthless roster like always, well I'm still not convinced it will play out so we have a long term increased odds of having depth for a change will make a huge difference that would be a dream that could indeed make us into the "elite" top 10 with a legit shot a cup every year rather than making the playoffs only to get bounce first round usually? 

THAT would be something but for now we need a guy who is at least decent which Suter is, and I'm pretty sure it's not going to matter all that much since we still don't have enough depth to go deep in a run anyway even if we did pull off a appearance in the post. 

 Should it be a fun season to watch? I believe so but it is what it is..

[Miss Korea Bob.Loblaw]

[Snake Doctor]

Sign and trade 

[NewbieCanuckFan]

On 8/11/2023 at 7:13 PM, -AJ- said:

You might call him the "next" Suter.

 

[Citizen Erased]

We were Suter’s best suitor.

[dpn1]

On 8/11/2023 at 7:13 PM, -AJ- said:

You might call him the "next" Suter.

A Suter from another mother

[-Vintage Canuck-]

Pius Suter will wear #24.

 

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[Fred65]

I tend to think Suter is the equivalent to Malhotra ( please don't get stuck in the FO trolly track ) there was more to Malhotras game than simply FO's From what I read Suter is a high IQ player that makes opponents his bit*h much like Malhotra did. Malhotra made an impact and fingers crossed so to will Suter

[Nucker 67]

Peppy le Pius

 

 

 

[hammertime]

On 8/11/2023 at 9:38 PM, Bob.Loblaw said:

I want to see more than just %ages from J fresh. Percent of what how many recorded attempts? 2 different players can both have 25% of something and be no where near equivalent. There's a difference between a guy taking 300 shots and a guy taking 50 one is probably a 25+ goal scorer the other is not. 

 

We saw this exacerbated by the J fresh card highlighting Brock as an elite board battler. By the %ages he's one of the best in the league up there with Bieksa who is 100% on faceoffs. It's not real it has no value of we are saying Brock is one of the best in the league on board battles if he doesn't actually board battle. The numbers don't add up. If you actually do the math there are only a finite amount of attempts that can equal his %age. None of which are elite. But sure put him up there as one of the best in the league. The reality is it isn't true. Is he an elite board battler or an elite spot picker.

 

Are Suters %ages legit or are they inflated?

Edited August 16, 2023 by hammertime

[-AJ-]

1 minute ago, hammertime said:

I want to see more than just %ages from J fresh. Percent of what how many recorded attempts? 2 different players can both have 25% of something and be no where near equivalent. There's a difference between a guy taking 300 shots and a guy taking 50 one is probably a 25+ goal scorer the other is not. 

I'm sure he's got the raw data, but I too like to see more than percentages. It's nice to see the data behind it. It's also good to understand the data collection methods to help understand any shortcomings of the data. 

[OldFaithfulCap]

On 8/15/2023 at 3:15 PM, Fred65 said:

I tend to think Suter is the equivalent to Malhotra ( please don't get stuck in the FO trolly track ) there was more to Malhotras game than simply FO's From what I read Suter is a high IQ player that makes opponents his bit*h much like Malhotra did. Malhotra made an impact and fingers crossed so to will Suter

Maholtra was great as faceoffs here but he started his career with similar percentages to suter. So there's hope for improvement if he gets a shot. Training camp will be interesting as tocchet may want size down the middle so in that case he'll be moved to the wing. 

[Citizen Erased]

On 8/18/2023 at 4:47 AM, OldFaithfulCap said:

Maholtra was great as faceoffs here but he started his career with similar percentages to suter. So there's hope for improvement if he gets a shot. Training camp will be interesting as tocchet may want size down the middle so in that case he'll be moved to the wing. 

Yeah, Malhotra really reached his peak in his late 20’s. It’s funny though. He was originally thought to have more potential offensively and I believe that’s why he was drafted so high. His skill just wasn’t enough as a top 6 forward in the NHL. Due to his hard work and excellent coaching from Ken Hitchcock, he was an excellent 3rd line center, who should have won the Selke the year of his eye injury.