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#61 CptCanuck16

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 08:07 PM

Gillis is gotta look at production and trade value when making this desicion. He has also gotta look at who is playing the role that they were brought here to play and who is just a warm body filling a spot. Raymond had a ton of potential when he was brought here. Fans expected him to be a top 6 fwd and a 30 goal scorer after he developed. He is fast on his feet but has proven over the last couple of seasons that he just doesn't have the finish to be a top 6 forward. Yeah, he broke his back and that really hindered his potential, perhaps had that not happened it would be a different story. But those are the breaks, no pun intended, what happened happened and Raymond hasn't played up to his potential the last couple of years. Can you honestly think of some other role he should be playing besides the top 6 he has proven he is not? He is of little trade value due to his low production, he would be my first choice to get bought out if I was GM.

My second choice is Malholtra. His role was to win big faceoff's and chip in a goal or two every now and then. After the eye injury his F/O percentage has taken a nose dive and goal scoring has become non-exisitent. Again, it sucks what happened, but he is not filling the role he was brought here to fill. I couldn't imagine getting anything better than a 4th line center for him now so it is best to buy him out and move on.

Ballard and Lu have massively over-inflated contracts but they still have a decent trade value. I think it would be a poor decision by management to buy them out instead of fishing for a trade of decent value.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 10:29 PM

Malhotra. And. Raymond. Are. UFAs. This. Summer. And. Can't. Be. Bought. Out.

Well, I guess we could re-sign them and then buy them out, but that seems pretty stupid.

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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:33 PM

People suggesting we buyout Lu? That is just ridiculous. You don't buyout a star player just because you can. I thought trading him was a bad idea, but now this?

The sensible choices are Ballard, Raymond, and Malhotra.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:48 PM

Seriously? Read the top of my post just above yours. It's information that's also been posted several other times in this thread.
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Posted 03 January 2013 - 11:49 PM

obviously ballard is our first choice, cdc has been throwing names like booth and lu in the mix though. why not discuss garrison? he's Making some serious coin for having one good season. I wouldn't want to let him go but maybe resign him for less?

You have to be kidding....the Canucks are not the Miami Marlins. Our management would never buyout a player who was given a hefty contract only roughly half a year ago.....Do you really honestly think Mike Gillis would be open to this?? After all, isn't MG all about "integrity"? And really Garrison is from Vancouver!!!! Do you realize how terrible the Canucks executives would look with such a ludicrous decision? And after all this you think Jason would want to sign back here for less money....I really hope this was joke.....
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:17 AM

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:43 AM

I'll try each team:

ANA: none
BOS: none (injured players don't count, Thomas' contract runs out after this "season")
BUF: Leino, maybe Vanek (sign for less), maybe Regehr
CGY: Stajan, maybe Bouwmeester
CAR: none, maybe Ruutu
CHI: Hjalmarsson
COL: none, maybe Hejda
CLB: none, maybe Wisniewski
DAL: Morrow
DET: none
EDM: Horcoff, maybe Hemsky or Whitney
FLA: Jovanovski, maybe Upshall
LAK: none
MIN: Bouchard, Cullen
MTL: Gomez
NSH: none, maybe Gaustad
NJD: none
NYI: none
NYR: Redden
OTT: none
SJS: none
STL: none
TBL: Malone
TOR: Komisarek
VAN: Ballard
WSH: Ward, Schultz
WPG: none, maybe Slater
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:59 AM

People suggesting we buyout Lu? That is just ridiculous. You don't buyout a star player just because you can. I thought trading him was a bad idea, but now this?

The sensible choices are Ballard, Raymond, and Malhotra.


Raymond and Malhotra's contract run out after 2012-2013. There's no point buying them out for 2013-2014 and I'm not even sure you could if their contracts are ending since they have no more years left on the deal.

The buyouts will probably be Ballard/Booth depending on what we get back in the rumoured Luongo trade.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:08 AM

Raymond and Malhotra's contract run out after 2012-2013. There's no point buying them out for 2013-2014 and I'm not even sure you could if their contracts are ending since they have no more years left on the deal.

The buyouts will probably be Ballard/Booth depending on what we get back in the rumoured Luongo trade.


Ah yes I forgot about the players losing a year on their contracts. In that case I would agree that Ballard and Booth are the main choices, but if we don't have Raymond or Manny anymore, we might just go with Ballard and that's it.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:11 AM

I'll try each team:

ANA: none
BOS: none (injured players don't count, Thomas' contract runs out after this "season")
BUF: Leino, maybe Vanek (sign for less), maybe Regehr
CGY: Stajan, maybe Bouwmeester
CAR: none, maybe Ruutu
CHI: Hjalmarsson
COL: none, maybe Hejda
CLB: none, maybe Wisniewski
DAL: Morrow
DET: none
EDM: Horcoff, maybe Hemsky or Whitney
FLA: Jovanovski, maybe Upshall
LAK: none
MIN: Bouchard, Cullen
MTL: Gomez
NSH: none, maybe Gaustad
NJD: none
NYI: none
NYR: Redden
OTT: none
SJS: none
STL: none
TBL: Malone
TOR: Komisarek
VAN: Ballard
WSH: Ward, Schultz
WPG: none, maybe Slater


Whitney's contract in Edmonton also runs out after 2012-2013 and as DiPietro isn't injured currently (I believe), the Islanders could buy him out
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:13 AM

I don't see Ballard being bought out any time soon. Edler must be signed first before you dump Ballard and on the off chance edler decides to hop ship to say Detroit with their D vacancy, that allows Ballard to slide back into the top 4 left side role he is used to playin (since he can't play right side at all).

For his $$ booth is still good, played very well before he got injured last year then just couldn't get back to game speed once he came back. He's debatably the hardest worker on the team off the ice so I can see him sticking.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:24 AM

People suggesting we buyout Lu? That is just ridiculous. You don't buyout a star player just because you can. I thought trading him was a bad idea, but now this?

The sensible choices are Ballard, Raymond, and Malhotra.


How is trading him even an idea? It is what he wants. And how is anyone suggesting anything? It is a possibility
If Luongo has a slow start to a short season and the CBA is what it is he will be hard to trade. So hard that he may have to be bought out.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:32 AM

Hmm, maybe a loophole there - Sign a player to an expensive extension, then buy him out and sign him to a cheaper, cap-friendly contract.


The last buyout you couldn't re-sign a player you bought out. I highly doubt it will be different this time for exactly that reason.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 02:16 AM

How is trading him even an idea? It is what he wants. And how is anyone suggesting anything? It is a possibility
If Luongo has a slow start to a short season and the CBA is what it is he will be hard to trade. So hard that he may have to be bought out.


It will never come to a point where we need to buy out Lu. If he has a slow start, and we don't end up trading him, then we'd keep him. There are a number of other players we would trade before Lu if we need to get under the cap.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 03:13 AM

Maybe Raymond. The guy has had too many chances, and just eats up a roster spot. I'm keen on seeing how Malhotra comes in after a full season of heavy off season training (this is assuming he has been training like an animal). I'm hoping he surprises us all.

Package Lou and Ballard in a trade. I'm still a Keith Ballard fanboy, so personally I would rather see him back in a Canucks uni and pick up where he left off last PO's.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 08:20 AM

How dumb are people to think that Lu should be bought out? Ever heard of trading a player......


Ever heard of an albatross contract that very few teams want?
Not to mention a history of crashing and burning in critical playoff games.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 09:57 AM

It will never come to a point where we need to buy out Lu. If he has a slow start, and we don't end up trading him, then we'd keep him. There are a number of other players we would trade before Lu if we need to get under the cap.


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Luongo wants to be traded.

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This was in July and I can't believe how many people have selectively forgot about this.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:36 AM

Everyone has buyout power so all of a sudden the trade value changes. Yes, gillis should have been able to get picks for Ballard but that might no longer be the case.
Can you save your buyouts for later?

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:19 AM

I'm wondering if we'd scoop up another teams' buyout. Probably not.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:22 AM

to suggest no teams would want louie because other teams are buying out players doesn't make sense.how many top goaltenders with louies record are available period. his cap hit gets less and less his current cap hit isn't even bad for a #1 guy.
buying out lou's contract would leave a cam nealy like feeling in most fans mouths or when the Guinness that is nonis let jovo walk for free.
louies a gamer he will want to play he will waive his no trade claus to get away for the stupidity of canucks media and fans that blame him for not scoring goals in the playoffs.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:32 AM

Ever heard of an albatross contract that very few teams want?
Not to mention a history of crashing and burning in critical playoff games.


A low cap hit with all the big money years already gone is a bad contract? Lu already said he doesn't plan on playing till the end of the contract.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:33 AM

Ever heard of a NMC?


He's already said that he would waive his NMC, so why even bring that up.
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:17 PM

Raymond and Malhotra.























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Posted 04 January 2013 - 12:45 PM

I'll give it a go:

Anaheim: None, none
Boston: None, none
Buffalo: Leino, none
Dallas: None, none
Detroit: None, none
Edmonton: Horcoff and Hemsky maybe?
Florida: Upshall, none
Los Angeles: None, none
Montreal: Gomez, none
New Jersey: None, none
NY Islanders: DiPietro, none
NY Rangers: Redden, none
Ottawa: None, none
Philadelphia: Pronger (if his injury is that bad), none
Pittsburgh: None, none
San Jose: None, none
St. Louis: None, none
Toronto: Komisarek, Connolly/Lombardi
Vancouver: None, none (players like Booth and Ballard can be tradeable)
Washington: Ward, none
Winnipeg: None, none

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:35 PM

I sure hope thats the case.

Anybody who accepts a buyout should also have to pay back all if they sign elsewhere; as its a pure bonus for a player who can abuse it. And because the player is being paid twice; of course it should all count to the 50% player share!

Anyone remember Alonzo Mourning refusing to report to the Raptors; getting a buyout for tens of millions of dollars? He said it was over health issues, a kidney or something (which I think he had removed 2 years earlier). But somehow it did not stop him from turning around and signing with the Miami Heat, where he won a ring, just 2 weeks later. Suddenly he was pocketing more money than Michael Jordan and talking trash on how Toronto should never have had the nerve to trade for him.

What a Derp!

The last buyout you couldn't re-sign a player you bought out. I highly doubt it will be different this time for exactly that reason.


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Posted 04 January 2013 - 01:58 PM

Raymond and Malhotra.

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Posted 04 January 2013 - 10:46 PM

The real question is, which player that gets bought out can we sign cheap for our second or third line?

Sign Scott Gomez for 1 mil to be our third line center?
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Posted 04 January 2013 - 11:44 PM

Booth is never getting bought out. Anyone who looks at his advanced stats will see that he's one of our best players for controlling the play. Only our first line does it better. He also faces some of the hardest opposing lines and was battling injuries. Without the missed games (not counting that his injuries and recovery meant he wasn't at his finest) he was on pace to score 23 goals and have 19 assists. If he and Kesler weren't having injury problems, he'd likely have put up 50 points. As it is he's our 5th goal scorer.

Booth isn't going anywhere.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:16 AM

Dude

Luongo wants to be traded.

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This was in July and I can't believe how many people have selectively forgot about this.


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That's from bleacherreport and I can't believe you consider anything from there as evidence.

Furthermore, my post was a hypothetical statement of if he isn't traded. Which does not say he will not be traded.

IF he's not traded, it would still be smarter to keep him than to buy him out.
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Posted 05 January 2013 - 12:26 AM

Booth is never getting bought out. Anyone who looks at his advanced stats will see that he's one of our best players for controlling the play. Only our first line does it better. He also faces some of the hardest opposing lines and was battling injuries. Without the missed games (not counting that his injuries and recovery meant he wasn't at his finest) he was on pace to score 23 goals and have 19 assists. If he and Kesler weren't having injury problems, he'd likely have put up 50 points. As it is he's our 5th goal scorer.

Booth isn't going anywhere.

And if we have a buy out left but still need to drop $4-5M after Ballard is dropped and Luongo traded, who would you pick? That's the only real argument for dropping him, is if we have no other choice in order to get under $60M next year but still be able to re-sign Edler and our other up and comers.

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