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#211 ThaBestPlaceOnEarth

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:03 PM

There's gonna be a lot more groin and hip and back injuries in the coming weeks I think. I guess Kassian moves up to the second line and Volpatti is in, so nothing to get concerned about, injuries happen.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

I'd rather see MG let the chips fall where they may this season than rush a trade for scrubs to plug a hole. What's the wors that can happen? They miss the playoffs and get something the desperately need.........a high first round draft pick. In that case, maybe they get a second 1st rounder in a Lu deal and package them for a veryhigh pick, maybe a 1st or 2nd overall.


Not a good idea, its a short season, a good start is pretty much necessary, not saying MG needs to rush into it, but lets say after ten game were only 3-7 or something like that, you start getting behind and you won't have as many games to catch up as you would normally in a full season, and with Booth gone for a month possibly two, he could be out 20 games. Kesler might not even be ready by then, who knows.

Isn't this team built to win now?

If we did have a bad start, then he would even be looking at getting less in return for Lou as then it would be a panic situation.

We are going into the regular season with 5/6 days of practice and 2 - 2nd liners who have very little experience should be cause for concern.

Edited by vancanfan, 15 January 2013 - 09:10 PM.

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#213 nuck nit

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:14 PM

That's not a fair judgment is it? And again, you are forgetting Hamhuis.
If you are going to say last year then you have to include Salo, if you are saying what we have now you have to include Garrison, you can't take the best from both worlds and add it into your post to favor your idea.


I can post up any comparison I like and you can be some mini mod in training with high heels and lipstick for all I care.
Salo no longer plays for the Canucks-hello. Garrison did not play for the Canucks last year-hello.
Make your own comparisons and stop your whining.
The post was not about taking the best from anything and making some grandstand point that must meet your approval.It was a post that highlighted the lack of goals from the present blueliners.Try to accept that in your mini mod mind.
My big sin was to exclude Hamhuis. Big deal.Add on four goals to the tally and figure it out.It ain't rocket science.

On another cheery note I see Bulis thinks the Schroe is going back to the windy city:
http://vansunsportsb...d-booths-groin/
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#214 Machine Gun Kelly

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:19 PM

Injury Now > Injury in the playoffs
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

will we make the playoffs now?
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#216 SamJamIam

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:26 PM

Injury Now > Injury in the playoffs


This. Watch this team explode towards the end of the season and steamroll the SCF

Edited by nateb123, 15 January 2013 - 09:26 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:30 PM

he does rub people the wrong way no ones to hear his hunting stories and no one other that will ferrell should be allowed to quote jesus in interviews btw talledga nights is awesome


i wanna hear his hunting stories... not so much of the bible stuff but more hunting
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:34 PM

Another OBVIOUS strategy (once guys get their legs two or three weeks in);

Core line up;

Danny/Hank/Burr
Raymond/Schroeder/Kassian (Ebbet)
Higgins/Lapdog/Hansen
Volpatti/Malhotra/Weise

But imagine the development opportunities if we double shift Danny and Hank a bit???

Danny/Schroeder/Kassian? some serious speed, size and play making right there! This is how you build a young guns confidence! It's also how you manufacture goals, not to mention rejuvenate your stars!

Burrows/Hank/Hansen Now right there is Hansen's turn to chip in towards 20 goals?

PS; Think Danny & Hank would like playing all situations again versus just gravy minutes???

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Schroeder - Kassian
Raymond - Lapierre - Hansen
Volpatti/Ebbett - Malhotra - Weise

When you look at it, its not that bad of a line up if everyone meets their expectations.


Plus one to Stamkos's Mullet!

All this means is we're going to have to win with a different style of play for the first couple of weeks.

We'll win with strong defensive play, goaltending, and special teams. Not unlike how we normally win. Just now, we won't have that extra punch to outscore teams when we're playing poorly. We will need other players to step up though.

Adversity can be a good thing. This is why you have depth on a team.


And plus one to DeNiro for stating the reality! Further, defensive depth will have its merit! Remember; other teams will have these injuries as well!

Somewhere else, Ossi and others have stated another reality; Kassian is going to play. In fact he is going to be AV's best friend, like it or not!

Edited by Canuck Surfer, 15 January 2013 - 09:37 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 09:36 PM

i wanna hear his hunting stories... not so much of the bible stuff but more hunting


Not sure why people care so much about either, it's who he is and what he likes so they should either accept it or give it rest.

Bottom line is that i'd rather have booth in my home than 99% of other nhl'ers.
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#220 Smashian Kassian

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:22 PM

I can post up any comparison I like and you can be some mini mod in training with high heels and lipstick for all I care.
Salo no longer plays for the Canucks-hello. Garrison did not play for the Canucks last year-hello.
Make your own comparisons and stop your whining.
The post was not about taking the best from anything and making some grandstand point that must meet your approval.It was a post that highlighted the lack of goals from the present blueliners.Try to accept that in your mini mod mind.
My big sin was to exclude Hamhuis. Big deal.Add on four goals to the tally and figure it out.It ain't rocket science.

On another cheery note I see Bulis thinks the Schroe is going back to the windy city:
http://vansunsportsb...d-booths-groin/


Jason Garrison is on our team in the present. No?

see the thing you don't understand, is whether you say what our defense has now our what our defense had last year, you are always excluding people to try to make your point look better. That's what I was saying.

Our defense is fine, we have added alot of offense from last year with Barker over Rome and Garrison, We will be fine.

& It's funny cause AV seems to think JS will battle for the role and get a shot.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:33 PM

I have lots of friends in Van who like to hunt - especially cougars! Cougars are the best for catch and release.
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:39 PM

Well that's just great... at least there's some room for Kassian and Schroeder?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:40 PM

I have lots of friends in Van who like to hunt - especially cougars! Cougars are the best for catch and release.


Are we talking about the cougars that are often seen frequenting coffee shops and pubs?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:43 PM

I'm not worried. What's with the "Sky is falling" posts before the season has even started?
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:48 PM

I can post up any comparison I like and you can be some mini mod in training with high heels and lipstick for all I care.
Salo no longer plays for the Canucks-hello. Garrison did not play for the Canucks last year-hello.
Make your own comparisons and stop your whining.
The post was not about taking the best from anything and making some grandstand point that must meet your approval.It was a post that highlighted the lack of goals from the present blueliners.Try to accept that in your mini mod mind.
My big sin was to exclude Hamhuis. Big deal.Add on four goals to the tally and figure it out.It ain't rocket science.
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And I can say I'm the King of Siam, it doesn't make it true.

If you want comparisons, how about this:
  • Canucks scored 241 goals last year
  • Of those, 40 were scored by the defence (including Edler, Bieksa, Salo, Hamhuis, Rome, Ballard, Alberts, Tanev and 1 of Gragnani's 2 goals as the other was with Buffalo)
  • Talking strictly about goals, Edler (11), Bieksa (8) and Salo (9) were the most productive
  • Hamhuis was also effective despite only 4 goals, as he (along with Edler and Bieksa) had over 30 assists
  • Edler, Bieksa and Salo all were in the top 30 for goals by a defencemen, ahead of Suter, Subban, Gardner and Liles
  • Edler, Bieksa and Hamhuis all were in the top 25 for points by defencemen, ahead of Subban, Doughty and Lidstrom
  • Our one major change from last year's defencemen, was letting Salo go and signing Garrison in his place (Garrison was 3rd in goals last year, 31st in points)
  • Our best defencemen offensively were also our top 4 defencemen, fairly good for any team, and our top 4 defencemen this year will continue to be our best offensively
You have to compare our total offence with all goals scored by any defenceman wearing a Canucks jersey during that time period or your analysis is flawed. You can't leave out people who aren't with the team now, even though they contributed to the goal totals last year.

Edited by elvis15, 15 January 2013 - 10:53 PM.

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Posted 15 January 2013 - 10:54 PM

I would like to see our prospects get more time...The last prospect we had we traded away once he got in the zone...(Not that anybody would blame him for not wanting to be traded)
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Posted 15 January 2013 - 11:35 PM

Not sure how you guys got to talking about the offense from the defense in a thread about Booth being injured but I'll kick in some stuff...

1.) Has the amount of opportunity to score points during a game which was given to Ehrhoff been factored in to the discussion? If Ehrhoff got most of the prime opportunities to score (power play and starts in the offensive zone) then it would follow that the remainder of the d-men would score less, no? And if guys like Hamhuis and Bieksa were given more defensive zone coverage, wouldn't they have fewer chances to score?

2.) Has the number of games played by each d-man been considered? Last season Edler played an entire 82 games and put up the best totals of his career. In the two seasons while Ehrhoff was here, Edler played 76 and 51 games. So, not only was Edler deprived of opportunity to score because of missed games, but also on the power play because of a preference of team to go with Ehrhoff.

Similar to Edler missing games during Ehrhoff's time here, Bieksa played in 55 and 66 games, Salo played in 68 and 27 games, Hamhuis got into only 64 games in 2010 - 11, Ehrhoff played in 80 and 79 games in those two seasons.


Fun fact: Edler was pretty much even with Ehrhoff in points over the span each guy played in those two seasons. That's 32 more games played by Ehrhoff, with lots more opportunity to score during games, and he could barely out-point Edler.


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:21 AM

Wow.. people need to relax on this site. Booth got hurt. Players get hurt. Sh*t happens. The fact that people are wanting his head for getting injured is alarming to me. Some fans here need to give their ___ a tug and show some loyalty to this team. No wonder Luu wants to be traded.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:30 AM

Guys remember that when we lost Daniel near the end of the season and went on a 7 game winning streak?
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 12:34 AM

Guys remember that when we lost Daniel near the end of the season and went on a 7 game winning streak?

CDC has a short-term memory loss
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One day some of us will look back on the year and look at the chicago, and most of us will realize that it was a small bump in the road to the cup


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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:02 AM

Hopefully some young guns will give themselves the opportunity to step up. If there's anything I learned from the NHL last season is --- you don't need to score goals, you need to keep them out of your net to win. Thank you LA Kings.
Canucks have the best goalie tandem in league and one of the best depth d-cores, they'll be fine.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 01:38 AM

This is a deep team. A Stanley cup caliber team. Everything will be fine.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:24 AM

Booth is the new Salo.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:26 AM

My solution: Bring in Brendan Morrison & Scott Gomez on PTO's. Let the two of them battle it out for a few days to see who's the better fit and sign that guy to a veteran minimum two way contract. When Kesler returns, you can drop the guy down in the lineup or send him to Chicago to continue to work so that when the playoffs start you can call him up as solid depth down the middle. My thinking is you can't worry about who's on the wing to score goals on that second line if you can't win faceoffs and defend your own end.

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Posted 16 January 2013 - 02:46 AM

Not sure why people care so much about either, it's who he is and what he likes so they should either accept it or give it rest.

Bottom line is that i'd rather have booth in my home than 99% of other nhl'ers.


Anti Christian bigotry is accepted by much of society. It's actually kind of refreshing that Booth has the guts to put himself out there as a Christian knowing all the ridicule he's going to get
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 03:39 AM

And I can say I'm the King of Siam, it doesn't make it true.

If you want comparisons, how about this:

  • Canucks scored 241 goals last year
  • Of those, 40 were scored by the defence (including Edler, Bieksa, Salo, Hamhuis, Rome, Ballard, Alberts, Tanev and 1 of Gragnani's 2 goals as the other was with Buffalo)
  • Talking strictly about goals, Edler (11), Bieksa (8) and Salo (9) were the most productive
  • Hamhuis was also effective despite only 4 goals, as he (along with Edler and Bieksa) had over 30 assists
  • Edler, Bieksa and Salo all were in the top 30 for goals by a defencemen, ahead of Suter, Subban, Gardner and Liles
  • Edler, Bieksa and Hamhuis all were in the top 25 for points by defencemen, ahead of Subban, Doughty and Lidstrom
  • Our one major change from last year's defencemen, was letting Salo go and signing Garrison in his place (Garrison was 3rd in goals last year, 31st in points)
  • Our best defencemen offensively were also our top 4 defencemen, fairly good for any team, and our top 4 defencemen this year will continue to be our best offensively
You have to compare our total offence with all goals scored by any defenceman wearing a Canucks jersey during that time period or your analysis is flawed. You can't leave out people who aren't with the team now, even though they contributed to the goal totals last year.



Great analysis and number work mate! Nuck nit is a massive tool. You just owned him so thank you.

And gosh darn it Booth! Please have a speedy recovery!
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 04:59 AM

Initially thought this was your Schroeder confession,but,alas,no.
Let's look at how the Canucks d men that were here last year actually performed in the goal scoring category.
Tanev-0 goals
Alberts -2 goals
Ballard -1 goal
Bieksa - 8 goals
Edler-11 goals
Out of the 234 goals the Canucks scored all of last year the d men that are still here from last year scored 22 goals.
Ehrhoff potted 14 goals/36 assists two years ago and led all Canucks d men in PP goals,reg. goals,assists and points.
Sami potted 9 goals/16 assists last year and led all Canucks d men in PP goals.


One must assume from this that you are expecting the Canucks to go with only those 5 d-men this season. I somehow doubt that As you're going with last years numbers how about we include Garrisons 16 goals. With 9 of those coming on the PP. Which is more than Salo last year and Ehrhoff the year before. Perhaps you ignore his addition because adding in his total more than makes up for anything lost. Which of course doesn't work well for you and your doom and gloom scenario.

Two questions:
1 - What does Ehrhoffs point total from TWO years ago have to do with anything regarding this season?
2 - Why do you include Ehrhoff and Salo's assists while completely ignoring all the other players assists?


It seems to me you were also doom and gloom about our d-men when Ehrhoff left. Yet our D went from 42G 157Pts in 10/11 to 41G 192Pts in 11/12. One goal less yet 35 points more from our D sans Ehrhoff. And here you are once again all doom and gloom about our D because Salo has departed. We'll have to wait and see how Garrison plays into the mix.
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:44 AM

soon he'll be throwing out his back from picking up a cracker off the ground


that's why you put your "Sope" on a rope! lol it never gets old...

When I read about Booth i literally rolleyed. I knew when he came here, judging by Keslers reaction to the trade, that nothing special was going to happen with him on that line.

It's a shame with this much talent, the team and management STILL can't seem to piece together a 100% solid lineup. It's always "one piece away"...... ugh
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 09:46 AM

Was reading a story on TSN that said booth was hurt before training camp, that would be before the official end of the lockout and before the CBA was ratified. Anyone know any more about this, if he will be paid etc....
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Posted 16 January 2013 - 10:28 AM

Not sure how you guys got to talking about the offense from the defense in a thread about Booth being injured but I'll kick in some stuff...
regards,
G.

I wasn't reading their conversation at the start (I don't have nuck nit on ignore, but I generally don't read his posts) but I believe it started with our 2nd line being deceimated but the defence could help pick up the slack. But you're right, back on topic.

Was reading a story on TSN that said booth was hurt before training camp, that would be before the official end of the lockout and before the CBA was ratified. Anyone know any more about this, if he will be paid etc....

He was injured in fitness training just prior to the official camp. It's been mentioned in the thread a few times already, but it's not an issue where he wouldn't get paid or anything like that.
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