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Poll: erhoff or garrison (66 member(s) have cast votes)

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  1. erhoff (43 votes [65.15%] - View)

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  2. garrison (23 votes [34.85%] - View)

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#1 Canuck hero

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:20 AM

The year we went to the cup we had salo and erhoff and edler ....that was huge offense for us... in fact i would go so far to say erhoff was that missing piece we needed...The guy is making 4mill with the sabres... really not much...garrison i was worried with how he was going to be... he played along side of brian campbell and the closest we have to him is edler .... clearly in mind garrison has dissapointed to this point... then we let salo go... we went to the finals with salo and erhoff and edler not just edler and garrison.... its obvious for this team to be successful that the d has to be able to score god knows our forwards should be the ones scoring...i believe gillis and management plays hard ball and makes mistakes because of it. in the end i believe garrison won't get us there and we over paid for him..... to this day it boils me that we let erhoff go........

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:24 AM

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The year we went to the cup we had salo and erhoff and edler ....that was huge offense for us... in fact i would go so far to say erhoff was that missing piece we needed...The guy is making 4mill with the sabres... really not much...


He's making $10M this year. His cap hit is only $4M because it's a 10 year deal. Did you really want another unmovable monster contract on the team?

Gillis didn't make any mistake here. Ehrhoff wanted more than what was being offered and walked. It was well within his rights. Gillis filled that spot with the best free agent he could. Sounds like he did the right thing to me.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:26 AM

Garrison hasn't been a total disappointment. He's picked up play recently and has been pretty solid.

Also we tried to resign Ehrhoff, but he wanted more than 4.6m a year.

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:36 AM

I think Garrison has been playing defensively better than all other D at this point(maybe except Tanev), he leads all Defense on the team in +/- with +12
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 09:53 AM

Problem with Garrison, he doesn't have a setup man on the PP.

Edler is a shooter and Bieksa and Hamhuis are not really good playmaker.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:03 AM

Maybe a better question is who will be a better player in 2016-2017 season? as Erhoff will still have 4 more years with a caphit of 4 million dollars.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:04 AM

This topic has been beaten to death. It really has.

there are 2 sides

one side thinks we don't need Ehrhoff Anymore. They are correct, as we last season were still on top of after the regular season

And there is the other side of fans, who think its actually a huge loss for the team for losing Ehrhoff.

Both sides are correct. We are technically still a very very strong team, but we are a much much more potent offensive team with Ehrhoff and even the Sedins were able to put up more points with him in the line up. He just fitted in perfectly with our teammates and the system. When he was here he averaged more ice time then any other dman. There is no doubt in my mind. Some players play well under a certain system. Ehrhoff for whatever reason thrived under A.V. There were times when Ehrhoff was playing 28 minutes per game. There is no doubt in my mind that Ehrhoff is a superior player to Garrison who was riding on Brian Campbell last year.

To me I am just expecting Garrison to provide us solid defence, and maybe some more goals, but no... he does not run a powerplay like Ehrhoff does. Not a chance.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 10:43 AM

I've never even heard of erhoff, so I voted for Garrison.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:34 AM

Garrison has not been a disappointment! He's by far our best D as of late. He may have had a slow start while he got used to playing on this team, but he's improved and now has 8 pts (5 goals) and is a +12. (That +/- by the way puts him 12th in the league among Dmen, ahead of the likes of Erhoff, Salo, Letang, and Subban.)

I like Erhoff a lot and there's no doubt he's a great player (17 pts, 4 goals, and +11) but he didn't want to be here as much as he wanted more money. Erhoff's contract only looks superficially better because it's 4 years longer than Garrison's and that significantly lowered his cap hit. But, take a closer look and it's not as favorable. Erhoff's contract is 10-years, worth $40M total ($22M in the first 3 years), and expires in 2021 when he'll be 39. Garrison's contract is 6-years, worth $27.6M ($17M in the first 3 years), and expires in 2018 when he'll be 34.

The only advantage of Erhoff's contract, like all other front loaded contracts, is that it may be more moveable later as his game declines since his actual salary drops to $4M starting next year (after getting $13M in signing bonuses plus salary over the first 2 years.) However, even that advantage may be complicated by the fact that he also has a NMC and a modified NTC. (Garrison also has a NTC.)

So, in short, Erhoff is still awesome but Garrison was the better option for this team. Now if Garrison would just attach the stick GPS I made for him...
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 11:42 AM

Because judging garrison on a shortened season is going to make this accurate. When garrison plays 79 games next season it'll be easier to compare the two
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 02:41 PM

Considering they're different players, I don't think we should try and compare them. Considering Ehrhoff didn't take the deal we offered him (similar to Bieksa's, therefore similar to Garrison's) and went on to sign a 10 year back diving deal with Buffalo, it's a bit of a moot argument whatever his cap hit now.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 03:42 PM

It's kind of apples and oranges here. Erhoff was a quarterback, setting up plays, whereas Garrison is a shooter. A better question would be who was better, Salo or Garrison, and my answer would be Salo, who in my opinion was a great player for the team, and a huge loss. No offense to Garrison, who has been getting progressively better as the season has gone on.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:19 PM

The poll should be between Edler and Ehrhoff... Edler has a 7 year/35 mil contract while Ehrhoff has the 10 year/40 mil contract.
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:53 PM

ya true enough... edler is up there with his contract ......
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 05:55 PM

It's kind of apples and oranges here. Erhoff was a quarterback, setting up plays, whereas Garrison is a shooter. A better question would be who was better, Salo or Garrison, and my answer would be Salo, who in my opinion was a great player for the team, and a huge loss. No offense to Garrison, who has been getting progressively better as the season has gone on.

thats what im getting too... we lost that quarterback a so called power play specialist with erhoff and salo and signed on someone who isn't in garrison
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 06:11 PM

As others have said, they are not comparable players. But, I think that if we had to redo the Bruins SCF, most people here would probably rather have Garrison on D than 'Hoff. Don't think he will allow opposing teams run the goal tenders. I think Garrison is going to prove to be a formidable playoff guy
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:14 PM

Check out Garrisons underlying stats, http://canucksarmy.c...-and-regression. These tell a lot about who was doing what in the d pairings when Garrison played in Florida.

Long read short, the team had a positive goal differential when Campbell and Garrison were together; an even differential when Garrison was without Campbell and a negative when Campbell was without Garrison.

Garrison is a shut down D man with offensive upside with his shot. This team needs that and has needed that since Willie left.
Ehrhoff is an offensive D man who played decent d, got a lot of O zone starts and PP time. We now have Edler, who I think is the higher potential to be better both offensively and defensively than Ehrhoff, to take on that role.

The powerplay struggles isn't necessarily due to the loss of Ehrhoff and more that the rest of the league has learned how to shut it down. This year it has been especially bad because there is no Kesler and instead of changing the PP to suit what the team has to offer, Brown has just tried to keep things the same and try to replace Kesler. We all know this.

Garrison is more valuable to the team right now, and is going to be a big time performer in the playoffs and be very hard to play against.

Garrison > Ehrhoff
Edler > Ehrhoff

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:17 PM

Our PP has really struggled since Ehrhoff left. Garrison hasn't been the answer nor has Edler. W
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Posted 04 April 2013 - 07:29 PM

Defensively, Garrison is miles ahead of Ehrhoff. But Ehrhoff's skating and offensive awareness is definatily better than Garrison's, though by a smaller margin. Given Ehrhoff's contract, ill take Garrison
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 02:12 AM

Ehrhoff was non existent in the final and really didnt do all that great in the playoffs. Wasnt bad, but didnt seem to elevate his game to the "next level".

Our best Dmen in the 2011 playoffs were Bieksa and Hamhuis..

Although u are more talking about offense from the back end so u kind of have a point. But i think our D is fine, they have just been under achieving all year.

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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:42 PM

I won't vote. Apple to oranges comparison. I really think they're 2 different players. 2 different dollar values that's for sure.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:51 PM

For those who say they'd rather have Salo over Garrison, I think you are judging off the younger Sami Salo. Salo has looked old and slow for the lightening and obviously hasn't improved their defense. He was a big loss to this franchise but his playing ability doesn't match the contract the Lightening threw at him. He is no longer than reliable defenseman we learned to love. Garrison on the other hand has been improving mightily. He has been playing at a very high level while not being used right on the power play. It's clear he and Edler have no chemistry together on the power play.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:55 PM

Garrison hasn't been a total disappointment. He's picked up play recently and has been pretty solid.

Also we tried to resign Ehrhoff, but he wanted more than 4.6m a year.

Grarrison is looking better and his shot is starting to make an impact.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:58 PM

While both are great offensive catalysts, both need someone to set them up on the point for the blasts. I would say from the small sample size we have both from watching them play on the Canucks, Garrison is more rounded. He's better defensively than Ehrhoff and Garrison isn't a liability on the ice. Sure, he may have had some slip-ups at the beginning and ever so now and then but name me one defenseman who doesn't take his man from time to time?

Look at Byfuglien last night against the Habs. He was in front of the net and what did he do? He just stood there like a pylon that he is, restricting Pavelec's movement and Galchenyuk had an easy tap in for the dagger goal to win 4-1.



Of course, you can't judge a player based off of one play as Byfuglien is a good defenseman in his own, but back on point, Garrison is better defensively and you can tell.
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 05:58 PM

Different types of defensemen, and thus, it's a waste of time comparing them directly. If you mean how having one or the other changes the dynamic of the team, then you could, but as previously mentioned by everyone, this is a topic that has been beaten into the ground.

Garrison is NOT the smooth-skating guy who will skate the puck up the ice on a rush like Ehrhoff did. Garrison is a defensive stud who happens to have an absolute cannon of a shot. Look at Garrison's +/- (I know, it's a bad stat) and his relative Corsi numbers (a good stat) and you will see he is a very effective player for us.

Ehrhoff definitely made our breakouts and powerply more dynamic, especially on the rush.

At the end, you have to realize that Ehrhoff made the decision to leave, and that was no fault of Gillis'. Ehrhoff went and signed a 10-year back-diving contract in Buffalo. Is that what the Ehrhoff fanboys want here? Another albatross?
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Posted 05 April 2013 - 09:03 PM

Our PP is in the toilet mainly because we don't have Ehrhoff back there.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:00 AM

Our PP is in the toilet mainly because we don't have Ehrhoff back there.


Trade Ballard to Buffalo so they can trade that unmovable contract to us. It is 10 years long just like Luongo's contract so we shouldn't be giving up anything at all.
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Posted 06 April 2013 - 11:14 AM

Hmm Ehrhoff made Edler better but I'll go with Garrison.

It may be cruel but were gonna need Garrison's G-Bombs to injure the other teams forwards. In a seven game series we'll be able to outlast the opposition.
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