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#1 CanuckleHorse

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:07 PM

I've been wondering what is AV's motive playing Roy on the wing, and playing Ebbett center who is gonna be useless as a mule tit come playoffs. His lineup is easy to play against you just shut down the first 2 lines and knock Ebbett around and he is rendered ineffective. Could he be doing this to get Lappy more ice time does he really think Ebbet is the better center option over Roy. The only thing I seen him do right was put Pinnizotto in the lineup!

Line up AV


LW C RW


Sedin Sedin Burrows or Kassian




Raymond or Ebbett Kesler Burrows or Kassian



Raymond or Ebbett Roy Hansen



Pinnizotto or Sesstito Lappierre Weise

Hamhuis Garrison

Edler Corrado

Alberts Ballard


I would prefer Kass and Kes together 2 big bodies who give the d-men headaches also Roy with Raymond and Hansen a deadly fast line maybe give Pinnizotto 3rd line minutes if Raymonds on the 2nd.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:12 PM

You mean Kass that is clearly made for third line minutes-at best ?

With Higgins back the lines will all change again.

This team needs defensive help and that means forwards coming back/defensive help with Bieksa/Tanev out.

That was pretty spotty tonight.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:13 PM

I don't understand why he continues with Barker in the top 4.

I feel bad for the guy, he gets so much flak. But really he isn't capable of playing that role.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:26 PM

Ebbett is painful to watch out there. If Booth wasn't injured, and Ebbett was scratched, the team would be on such a better level. Right now, we look like three quarters of a squad of NHLers, and a quarter of a squad of AHLers.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:34 PM

He's accomplishing suicide.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:40 PM

Ebbett is painful to watch out there. If Booth wasn't injured, and Ebbett was scratched, the team would be on such a better level. Right now, we look like three quarters of a squad of NHLers, and a quarter of a squad of AHLers.


Sure but that's just like any other NHL team on any given night. Parity!

To be honest, this team has all the pieces but just doesn't seem to have the drive these days. There's no passion to there game outside of Kes, Roy, Hansen and Hamhuis. I've kind of adopted a serenity now approach, where I figure if they want to they'll start playing to their potential, if not ... well, we'll see what happens. Thought to be honest if we're just gonna crap the bed in the 1st round might as well miss the playoffs and draft a better player, but I try to stay away from that loser mentality.

tl;dr - the playoffs are a new season, so let's stock up on beer and see how it all plays out.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:44 PM

He's not maximizing his assets very well... look at pittsburgh last night, they didn't have crosby, malkin or neal and managed to score 6 against a very good montreal team.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:45 PM

I think Vigneault told them to show up at the game, simply skating around and expected to win games.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:46 PM

AVs doing a great job with the injuries we have, although I'd like to see this - perfect playoff lineup:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Hansen - Kesler - Roy
Raymond - Schroeder - Burrows
Higgins - Lapierre - Weise

Edler - Bieksa
Hamhuis - Garrison
Tanev - Alberts


As for the Detroit game, with the injuries we have I'd be happy with this:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Hansen - Kesler - Roy
Raymond - Schroeder - Kassian
Weise - Lapierre - Sestito

Hamhuis - Garrison
Edler - Corrado
Alberts - Ballard
Vandermeer


Barker and Ballard have been brutal, and Alberts really can't play more than 18 minutes effectively. Give Corrado a shot, and bring Vandermeer up. If Tanev can go on a Cup run in 2011, why can't Corrado be effective too? Vandermeer really deserves a chance as well, and this team could desperately use some fiestiness and life.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:51 PM

Well, he's trying to accomplish wins of course. He just has a different mindset on the manner of doing things.


The team is lacking defense with the loss of Tanev and Bieksa. Higgins and Booth out are unbalancing the team a bit and he's trying to find the right fit.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:54 PM

Here's an idea.

So Luongo starts next game yes? And if he wins it he'll start the next one and so on yes?

Enough d!cking around. Time to get our bench warming elite goaltender ready for the playoffs.

A god damned disgrace.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:56 PM

Well, he's trying to accomplish wins of course. He just has a different mindset on the manner of doing things.


The team is lacking defense with the loss of Tanev and Bieksa. Higgins and Booth out are unbalancing the team a bit and he's trying to find the right fit.


Well how about putting Roy back at 2C!

God damned Kesler love. God damned selfish diving player who costs wins for the benefit of personal stats.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 09:57 PM

We gotta' keep Alain for his insightful pressers!
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:03 PM

When Bieksa and Tanev are healthy bring up Corrado

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Roy
Raymond - Schroeder - Hansen
Weise - Lapierre - Kassian

Hamhuis - Bieksa
Edler - Tanev
Garrison - Corrado

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:05 PM

He's showing to show Gillis how bad

Raymond
Barker
Ballard
Ebbett
and Pinnzotto are

And that he can't coach without more depth.


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Posted 18 April 2013 - 10:16 PM

I don't understand why he continues with Barker in the top 4.

I feel bad for the guy, he gets so much flak. But really he isn't capable of playing that role.


I'm just curious chum as to who would you play in the top-4?

Bieksa and Tanev are both right side d-men, and are both injured.

Hamhuis plays better on the left (as far as I know).

Edler is more comfortable on the left.

Garrison is more comfortable on the left, but can play right.

Ballard is most certainly a left side guy.

Who do the Canucks have that might be able play on the right? Alberts? Barker? Joslin? Maybe someone else down on the farm who is still developing?

I just don't see that AV has a lot of options here.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:18 PM

I'm just curious chum as to who would you play in the top-4?

Bieksa and Tanev are both right side d-men, and are both injured.

Hamhuis plays better on the left (as far as I know).

Edler is more comfortable on the left.

Garrison is more comfortable on the left, but can play right.

Ballard is most certainly a left side guy.

Who do the Canucks have that might be able play on the right? Alberts? Barker? Joslin? Maybe someone else down on the farm who is still developing?

I just don't see that AV has a lot of options here.

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Ballard, Edler, or Corrado.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:24 PM

This is the time to experiment because if something does happen during the playoffs we have several different looks.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:31 PM

D.SEDIN - H.SEDIN - KASSIAN
HIGGINS - KESLER - RAYMOND
BOOTH - ROY - JENSEN
BURROWS - LAPIERRE - HANSEN


Miraculous recovery from Booth.

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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:35 PM

AVs doing a great job with the injuries we have, although I'd like to see this - perfect playoff lineup:

Sedin - Sedin - Kassian
Hansen - Kesler - Roy
Raymond - Schroeder - Burrows
Higgins - Lapierre - Weise

Edler - Bieksa
Hamhuis - Garrison
Tanev - Alberts


As for the Detroit game, with the injuries we have I'd be happy with this:

Sedin - Sedin - Burrows
Hansen - Kesler - Roy
Raymond - Schroeder - Kassian
Weise - Lapierre - Sestito

Hamhuis - Garrison
Edler - Corrado
Alberts - Ballard
Vandermeer


Barker and Ballard have been brutal, and Alberts really can't play more than 18 minutes effectively. Give Corrado a shot, and bring Vandermeer up. If Tanev can go on a Cup run in 2011, why can't Corrado be effective too? Vandermeer really deserves a chance as well, and this team could desperately use some fiestiness and life.

Why would we bring up Corrado? Forgive me if I'm wrong but Tanev actually played for a decent amount of games in the regular season before jumping into the playoffs. Corrado has seen barely any AHL action let alone NHL so it sounds like a bad move. If AV was actually smart he'd give Ballard some ice-time because sometimes he looks like one of the few guys on our team who can compete physically.
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:38 PM

Ballard , kassian and barker were horrible tonight
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Posted 18 April 2013 - 11:59 PM

AV should resign right after playoffs. Win, or lose. He is a disgrace to the game of hockey.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:03 AM

I agree, It's quite evident that Roy is a lot more effective at centre and that makes us a lot more dangerous being able to roll 3 solid lines . I don't mind stacking the top 6 for a shift here or there but not for full games . Time to shelf this experiment
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:30 AM

at this point we might as well call up "I'll frack up your whole bench Jim vandermeer!!!


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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:35 AM

He can let in

Here's an idea.

So Luongo starts next game yes? And if he wins it he'll start the next one and so on yes?

Enough d!cking around. Time to get our bench warming elite goaltender ready for the playoffs.

A god damned disgrace.


He can let in all the soft goals he wants in practice to get into playoff form.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:37 AM

Ebbett sucks... he's small,soft and slow.

Without Higgins
Sedins - Hansen
Burrows - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Roy - Weise
Sestito - Lappiere - Pinizzoto

With Higgins
Sedins - Burrows
Higgins - Kesler - Kassian
Raymond - Roy - Hansen
Sestito - Lappiere - Weise
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 12:51 AM

I don't understand why he continues with Barker in the top 4.

I feel bad for the guy, he gets so much flak. But really he isn't capable of playing that role.


The Barker Edler combo was AWFUL tonight. absolutely no chemistry yet AV continues to throw them out there together.
They were awful all game.
And in the 3rd period, the whole team was awful.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:27 PM

The Barker Edler combo was AWFUL tonight. absolutely no chemistry yet AV continues to throw them out there together.
They were awful all game.
And in the 3rd period, the whole team was awful.


Edler was good, Barker was bad.
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Posted 19 April 2013 - 01:46 PM

It seems to me that he is catering to Kesler at the expense of the rest of the team. If kes wants a passer on his wing, they should put Ebbett there not Roy. We need Roy on the 3rd for depth.

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