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#1 westvandude

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:34 AM

So clearly the Canucks fans were pissed off again last night at the seemingly biased officiating. Is there anyone on CDC who can be unbiased and knows the rules well enough to tell us objectively if the officiating last night was as one-sided as it seemed?


If it was, it really pisses me off because you could tell that both teams started sluggishly, and it was the kind of game that would come down to small advantages and one goal. And in my view, the refs give too many unnecessary PPs to the sharks, which gave the edge and got them going to win this crucial game. A game which could have materialized the Sharks' worries now turned into a confidence builder for them.

I could even handle the refs being a little biased towards the home team (chalk it up to home ice advantage for the team that worked harder during regular season)... but not the reverse!
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:35 AM

Can't depend on the refs to bail us out. Instead we should be inflicting damage on SJ.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:36 AM

I remember 2 plays (almost back to back) where they blew a couple of off side calls that could have ended up in our net
but yeah, doesnt matter. Canucks didn't show up last night
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:37 AM

I only really remember the first period bad calls,

Weise getting held up in Sharks offensive zone = no call
Alberts getting to the puck first but not getting the icing
The call on Kassian was game management
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:37 AM

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They were far worse in the Bos-Leafs game. I'm not so sure it's bias anymore; gross incompetence would be a better description.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:41 AM

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Enh, the reffing seemed okay at best. I just wish they would call on the Sedins what they called on Couture. The Sedins take so much abuse and yet get no calls. The moment someone brushed Couture yesterday, an arm went up.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:47 AM

It wasn't one sided.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:49 AM

They missed calls, yes, but they also didn't call goalie interference on our lone goal.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:54 AM

I didn't think it was one sided at all.

However there was one offside non call for sjs which lead to a pretty decent chance. It was so offside the sjs skater nearly overskated the puck because he knew he hadn't cleared the zone. I was infuriated
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 10:57 AM

They missed calls, yes, but they also didn't call goalie interference on our lone goal.

That was marginal; they certainly let Desjardins being in the middle of the crease on the second SJ goal slide so I'm ok with that being a bit of both.

Calling Kassian for roughing on his follow through hit on Couture when Hannan can get away with a take down on his follow through hit a short while later however is the kind of thing that really makes refs look bad
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:08 AM

That was marginal; they certainly let Desjardins being in the middle of the crease on the second SJ goal slide so I'm ok with that being a bit of both.

Calling Kassian for roughing on his follow through hit on Couture when Hannan can get away with a take down on his follow through hit a short while later however is the kind of thing that really makes refs look bad


That was the big one I was going to point to as well. Roughing, really?? And for the commentators to say the refs were going to be watching for anything against the "stars" made my blood boil. First, the rules should be the rules for every player, not just the stars. Second, the Sedins are stars by all accounts and still can't get a call from a ref named AT&T.

Others have mentioned the other big ones....the icing call that our guy clearly won, the long holding to prevent a Canuck breakaway that went uncalled, and the weak hooking call. But, whatever...

As much as I'm all for pointing out unbalanced mistakes by the refs (because I honestly believe there's a systemic problem in the NHL reffing system), I don't think that was our biggest problem last night.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:10 AM

That was marginal; they certainly let Desjardins being in the middle of the crease on the second SJ goal slide so I'm ok with that being a bit of both.

Calling Kassian for roughing on his follow through hit on Couture when Hannan can get away with a take down on his follow through hit a short while later however is the kind of thing that really makes refs look bad


You put your hands up and hit a star high like that and you're going to get a penalty every time, it was a terribly stupid hit by Kassian when he simply could have hit him shoulder to shoulder.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:22 AM

Anyone notice how on Hammer's hooking call, he had one hand on his stick and it was off to his side when the call was made? It was pretty brutal.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:22 AM

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You put your hands up and hit a star high like that and you're going to get a penalty every time, it was a terribly stupid hit by Kassian when he simply could have hit him shoulder to shoulder.


Isn't that the problem that a hit is only punishable if the refs think the target is a star? Shouldn't the rules be the rules no matter if you hit a star or a rookie? And why aren't the Sedins considered stars, because people get away with significantly worse than that hit by Kassian in almost every game?

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:28 AM

Lets face it, we look for excuses when things aren't going our way.
That being said, the refs bend the rule book because its the playoffs which stupid compared to other leagues like the NFL.
I miss the days where each team would get atleast 4 power plays a game
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:30 AM

That call on Kassian was the only thing that really annoyed me, though I didn't notice the missed icing call. Had a non-canucks fan over watching the game with me so wasn't paying 100% attention. I don't think the reffing in all was biased though as calls were missed both ways.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:32 AM

While the ref'ing was atrocious last night it by no means was biased. There were a couple of huge hits the nucks laid out last nigth that were boarderline hits from behind or boarding penalties and none were called. However the hooking penalty Hamhuis took and the icing waived off on Alberts were just a stupid calls.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:33 AM

Isn't that the problem that a hit is only punishable if the refs think the target is a star? Shouldn't the rules be the rules no matter if you hit a star or a rookie? And why aren't the Sedins considered stars, because people get away with significantly worse than that hit by Kassian in almost every game?

Shhh, logic only confuses and enrages them. :frantic:

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As much as I'm all for pointing out unbalanced mistakes by the refs (because I honestly believe there's a systemic problem in the NHL reffing system), I don't think that was our biggest problem last night.

Oh, for sure. When your top 6 is as ineffective as our was, you aren't going to win many games. There was good work ethic in all 4 lines, but the top 6 is expected to produce and the bottom 6 was doing a better job of that unfortunately.

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:35 AM

Does the head of officiating review with the officials the game ? I can't believe it's helpful to let the these things go and give the refs the green light to do it again and again. I guess we'll know how Francois St. Laurent & Eric Furlatt were viewed by the league as the play-offs progress, If they're toast they'll be elimanated soon and we'll know the powers were not ahppy. How the Weise interference when he was rugby tackled was not called streches incredibility
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:43 AM

As far as letting crap go it was pretty even.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:47 AM

The non-calls on hitting from behind in the Boston - Toronto game were far worse.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:53 AM

Enh, the reffing seemed okay at best. I just wish they would call on the Sedins what they called on Couture. The Sedins take so much abuse and yet get no calls. The moment someone brushed Couture yesterday, an arm went up.

Right? They always seem to "let them play" because its the Playoffs but as soon as a star gets roughed and looks at the ref. Penalty!

I was a little pissed at that moment, specially after seeing things slide both ways for a bit.

If they are gonna call a penalty make sure its every penalty not every other penalty where our guys have to wonder if they should play physical or not.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:56 AM

There was missed called on both side but what I didn't like it towards the end of the 2nd, the ref seemed to decide to let them play.

Then at the start of the 3rd, Canucs gets called for a cheap (non-hooking) called on Hamhuis. That took away the Canucks momentum from the 2nd and they never seemed to recover.

Usually after a cheap call like that, the Canucks would have had a PP of their own (there as plenty of chances) but no, notthng at all.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:57 AM

Shhh, logic only confuses and enrages them. :frantic:


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Oh, for sure. When your top 6 is as ineffective as our was, you aren't going to win many games. There was good work ethic in all 4 lines, but the top 6 is expected to produce and the bottom 6 was doing a better job of that unfortunately.


*sigh* I know. We only had 4 shooters with 3 or more shots in the game, and 2 of them were D. Edler had the most shots. I like Edler and Garrison's shots too, it's a powerful weapon in the arsenal, but just shooting from the point can't be our only go to move!

Still, I believe in blue and I do think this is something they can work on and hopefully do a better job of getting off more shots next game.

Now if we could just make a serum of Manny's faceoff skill.....
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 11:59 AM

The call interfernce call on kb3 was bs. The puck was right beside the Sharks player
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:02 PM

it was fine yesterday. it was bad officiating, but it wasn't biased against the canucks.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:06 PM

Nobody's "view" is unbiased.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:09 PM

The game was called ugly for both sides.

I thought only the linesmen had whistles in the first period, and they were a little too eager to use them on at least one icing call and questionable offsides.

(Besides, if the Sedins are going to be gift wrapped pucks while standing 50 ft from any other player in front of the net and not shoot, there's no point in worrying about getting Power Plays)

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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:10 PM

Am i the only one who gets frustrated at the inconsistencies of the referees during the playoffs?

They should treat every game the same and not show bias's towards certain teams.

They should follow the rulebook; if a player is being interfered with it should be a penalty...

Also the Kassian penalty last night was garbage, Couture was hit and immediately after looked right at the referee and encouraged/expected there to be a call.
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Posted 02 May 2013 - 12:18 PM

Obviously the officials can't be blamed for the loss, and I know my opinion can't be considered unbiased, but it's absolutly brutal to watch some of the calls.

The Kassian call was BS considering what had been let go. Hamhuis hook was an absolute phantom call and sucked the momentum away from the Canucks. They even had a chance to "even it up" as Kesler got hooked breaking into the zone on the PK, but nope. Missed icings, and offsides... fk off.

SJS got 4 PPs. Canucks got 2 PPs, one of which was a Delay of Game autocall. So in my mind SJS was deemed worth of 4 PPs, Canucks worthy of 1. When the teams are this close in skill these kind of calls can sway the outcome.

However, if the Canucks keep up the physical play and grind it out it they'll have a good chance to win every night. I'm not that worried.

This one is going 7 games.
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