Father Ryan Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 We are 2, maybe 3 years from the playoffs. This doesn't mean contention, just the playoffs. That's with the players we have now, minus the Twins, + one good player (preferably Center) from this year's draft. We are 5-6 years away from contention. Juolevi, Hutton; they will be in their prime. Horvat likewise, along w/ Baer & Boeser. The few prime vets we have now (Sutter, Tanev, et al) will be gone, or maybe 4th line. But...we need pretty much what we are all saying. We need another top center, either a #1 or at least a 1a to go with Horvat. We need two true snipers; Boeser I believe is one, but the other...not here. I don't think Baer qualifies as a true sniper, he's more a 2nd line opportunist that gets in the right places, rather than having an incredibly fast/good shot. Maybe Goldobin...maybe not. We need another top Dman, giving us a true top pairing to go with the accessory pieces we have. I believe we have the goalie (Demko). I hope we have the coach. I believe Benning is the right GM; sure, he's made a few mistakes. They all do. But...I do think he can draft well, it just maybe players that take longer. 5 years from now, I firmly believe the talk will be "Juolevi sure was the better player, over that pest/goon Tchachuk.". Could this get sped up? Yes...provided that the salary money we gain with some retirements and trades is spent wisely (in other words, no more Eriksson-type deals; sorry Benning, this is one of your more obvious mistakes). There is one shadow out there, though, on money. When does Luongo retire, and how much are we on the hook for when he does? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucksfan3322 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 35 minutes ago, Father Ryan said: We are 2, maybe 3 years from the playoffs. This doesn't mean contention, just the playoffs. That's with the players we have now, minus the Twins, + one good player (preferably Center) from this year's draft. We are 5-6 years away from contention. Juolevi, Hutton; they will be in their prime. Horvat likewise, along w/ Baer & Boeser. The few prime vets we have now (Sutter, Tanev, et al) will be gone, or maybe 4th line. But...we need pretty much what we are all saying. We need another top center, either a #1 or at least a 1a to go with Horvat. We need two true snipers; Boeser I believe is one, but the other...not here. I don't think Baer qualifies as a true sniper, he's more a 2nd line opportunist that gets in the right places, rather than having an incredibly fast/good shot. Maybe Goldobin...maybe not. We need another top Dman, giving us a true top pairing to go with the accessory pieces we have. I believe we have the goalie (Demko). I hope we have the coach. I believe Benning is the right GM; sure, he's made a few mistakes. They all do. But...I do think he can draft well, it just maybe players that take longer. 5 years from now, I firmly believe the talk will be "Juolevi sure was the better player, over that pest/goon Tchachuk.". Could this get sped up? Yes...provided that the salary money we gain with some retirements and trades is spent wisely (in other words, no more Eriksson-type deals; sorry Benning, this is one of your more obvious mistakes). There is one shadow out there, though, on money. When does Luongo retire, and how much are we on the hook for when he does? I wonder if tryamkin will ever fill that top pairing? Prolly more of a 2nd or 3rd pairing guy but still a possibility. We could always add through trade or ufa if we need that top sniper when we're ready to go all in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captaincowbasher Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 13 hours ago, Crabcakes said: How close are the Canucks really to having the pieces in the system that could develop into a core that could compete for a cup? I'm taking a cup half full approach. The point is to stand back and take a look at the big picture. It is too easy to get caught up in the details and too often we all forget exactly where this rebuild stands. There are several models for a core. Pierre McGuire came up with one that I think is fairly comprehensive. The players who qualify for the core would have to be 25 or younger as of today. 1. Centre 1 .................... Horvat 2. Centre 2 ..................... ? 3. Power forward ........... Boeser 4. Specialist ................... Sutter (too old), Gaudette, Cassels 5. Offensive D ............... ? 6. Shut down D ............. Juolevi 7. Goalie ....................... Demko With the 5 OA this year, I would expect Benning to either be the top 6 C or top pair D. Same goes for next draft. Essentially, this core could be assembled within 14 months. It's obvious that we don't know how players will develop. There will be some surprised and some disappointments but they're really only 2 or 3 pieces away. There are some nice support pieces coming along who are 25 and under. Baertschi, Granlund, Goldobin, Dahlen, Gudbranson, Hutton, and Stecher. The Canucks are a few pieces away. They need to add a top LW to play with Bo and Boeser. This could be a true 1st line, and Sutter, Baertschi and Eriksson could be our 2nd line, making the Sedin's and Granlund our 3rd line, and our 4th line could be our kid line. The Canucks could trade Tanev for that 1st LW position, leaving Hutton/Stecher as our 1st D pairing and Edler and Gudbranson as our 2nd, but it would be nice if we had another D prospect surprise this year like Suban or Brisboise make the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Canucks still don't know what they'll get out of Boeser, Dahlen, Gaudette, Virtanen, Lockwood, Juolevi, Brisebois, Subban and Demko. I like all of these players and think within 3 years drafting in the top 10 (including this year), they'll be ready to make the playoffs. This year maybe they add that #2C (Vilardi or Mittelstadt) and maybe next year they get Dahlin. Then in a year we'll probably see most of those guys on the team and the Sedins retiring. Maybe Edler and/or Tanev also get traded. The team could look very different - younger, faster, ready to strike! Baertschi - Horvat - Boeser Goldobin - Vilardi/Mittelstadt - Eriksson Molino - Dahlen - Virtanen Zalewski - MacEwen - Lockwood Gaudette Juolevi - Stecher Hutton - Gudbranson Brisebois - Subban Tryamkin? - Dahlin Demko I thought rebuilding was going to be depressing and sad. I'm actually very excited that they're cleaning the slate and getting all of these talented young players. The future looks bright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldoescobar Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Nucksfan3322 said: I have to disagree you on that, we have some pieces that will be ready in a couple years to put us in the playoffs. Are you going on the belief that none of our prospects and young players will ever get better and have to wait for the next wave of players? For the playoffs no, I think we have some good young prospects to get us there in a few years. But to be considered a contender I think we would need to augment what we will have in a few years (when we make the playoffs) with our next wave of picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nucker 67 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Canucks can keep drafting high, for the next 2-3 years. Collect those good prospects. They may also be able to swing a trade with Edler and/or Tanev, maybe 1 or 2 prospects that haven't much chance of cracking our young awesome lineup Maybe the Canucks get their additional firepower player by way of a trade. Drouin would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 #1 C: _____ #2C: Horvat #3 C: Sutter #4 C: Gaunce Wingers: Boeser, Dahlen, Goldobin, Baertschi, Virtanen #1 D: TBD (Juolevi?) I think we just have a couple more holes to fill in then we should be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete M Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 it depends on JB's succession plan after the Sedins... no one in the system to make a #1 line; therefore, JB needs to acquire young, fast, big, skilled UFAs that fit the rebuild. If he continues to bring in players like LE, who are on the downward side of their careers, then the pain will continue until someone is brought in that knows how to build a contender. If this is the case...could be 10 years of pain or more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 16 hours ago, morrissex95 said: Two more years of rebuilding and we'll be right back in the thick of it. Looks like we're following the Boston model. Perfect timing for the lockout! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
48MPHSlapShot Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 We're in better shape than most outsiders think. Unfortunately, we're missing out two major pieces. A playmaking first line center and a number 1 defenseman. However, as people on this borard have pointed out, it's usually the "elite" pieces that are last to be added before a team can become legitimately competitive again. If all goes well, I see one more year of being one of the very worst teams in the league. After next season, I expect to see a somewhat marked improvement over the next two seasons, although still not enough to get us into the playoffs. By the fourth year, we should be ready to jump back into the playoff picture. By the 5th year, we should hopefully be a real contender. So I'm going with 5 years away from being a contender. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 52 minutes ago, Where'd Luongo? said: Perfect timing for the lockout! There probably won't be a lockout this time around. Time flies, eh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, morrissex95 said: There probably won't be a lockout this time around. Time flies, eh. Oh my innocent naive friend, there will be a lockout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrissex95 Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, Where'd Luongo? said: Oh my innocent naive friend, there will be a lockout. Over the olympics? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where'd Luongo? Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Just now, morrissex95 said: Over the olympics? Salaries, benefits, olympics, all star game, time off, injury protocals, there is a whole list of issues that they have to go over every time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaner Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I would imagine following the 18-19 season, the Canucks will be close to contending (similar to where the Leafs are right now) barring any major hiccups. In order to do this, the Canucks still need: - 1C - 1LW/RW - 1D - Top 3 D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ReggieBush Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 I think most of the pieces are in place (with a couple notable needs that the OP mentioned). We just need them to develop and grow into their roles on the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdgarM Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I find it funny that so many talk like they know exactly what is going to happen with this franchise in the next 5-6 years to where they can predict when they are ready to compete for a cup. So many aspects need to be considered and all I am seeing is where we are drafting in the next couple of years and not much else. I see some guys putting their whole line ups with all prospects and nothing else. Watching a team built to win cups now(Chicago) and a team in a rebuild(Edmonton) in the playoffs this year, proves that there is no sure fire recipe for a contender. Washington is supposed to be a cup contender and they choke every year in the playoffs and same with the Blues. It takes a full roster of players to win a cup and not nine players as the OP suggests. Somebody said Sutter, who is 28, too old? I think he is going to be useful to this team for at least a few more years. The big question is WHO is getting drafted and not WHERE they are drafted. Do they make the team? or are they busts? This along with who we get in FA to fill in until the young guys develop will also dictate the teams success or failure. We need the young guys to succeed in a cap system but we can also make up for their deficiencies by spending up to the cap. I think if we were not wasting a lot of our cap space on ineffective players such as the Sedins and LE, we would be in a far better predicament. I am very optimistic that once we have another ,not so good season next year, draft high again and then rid ourselves of the Sedins, we will be in a very good position to fill key pieces and have a competitive team again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaerToBo Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 I think to compete we need a top 4 dman with a mean streak,a top pairing dman, and a top 6 centerman. At 5 this year id take Glass. If we trade Tanev for Kapanen+tor 1st (17th) we could take Hague or Foote. And with next years pick take a guy like Dahlin or Svechnikov. Dahlen-Glass-Goldobin Beartschi-Horvat-Boeser for the top 6 then... Juolevi-Stecher Dahlin/Svechnikov-Hague/Foote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cripplereh Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 depending on prospects as of now we are 1 D top 4 as Olli should be a top pairing 2 scoring wingers and 1C 4 pieces away and free agents can help one spot,but the twins will have to retire as there will be no room after this season for them then we will know exactly where we are at Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathew Barzal Posted May 18, 2017 Share Posted May 18, 2017 3-4 years IF EVERYTHING goes right development and drafting wise. Realistically 5-6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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