[Signing] Canucks sign F Sam Gagner [3 year x $3.15M AAV]

[CaptainLinden16]

1 minute ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I must have misssd those games.  I didn't see him as anything more than filler.

Watch the TB game where he scored a deuce.  The guy was priceless in 7 minutes of ice time.  I was screaming at my TV to have willie put him on the ice.  Damn Willie never gave him a shot, but Megna got 14 minutes a night automatically.

[CaptainLinden16]

14 minutes ago, Rob_Zepp said:

I must have misssd those games.  I didn't see him as anything more than filler.

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jack+skille+2017+goals&&view=detail&mid=56AB4B2FE68E512B961F56AB4B2FE68E512B961F&&FORM=VDRVRV

 

I nearly crapped my pants when I saw this.  This gem of a human being was stuck play 8 minutes a night.

 

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=jack+skille+vancouve+canucks+goals+youtube&&view=detail&mid=7A0A02658CA6AF6615F07A0A02658CA6AF6615F0&FORM=VRDGAR

 

The guy did this a lot last season.  This didn't lead to goals always but 5 goals in 55 playing 8 minutes with Chaput and Gaunce a night isn't bad. 

 

People call him a plug.  I am not sure they know what plug means.  I am not saying you did Zepp. 

[Nancouver]

Just watched a hi lite pack of gagne's goals and gotta say I'm impressed. He has one backhand to forehand deke that is just filthy, looks like his go to move on breakaways. He should be fun to watch on the pp and a great weapon for the shootout. Excited for this season as I think we're going to be way more dynamic offensively.

[terrible.dee]

As much as I can't stand Benning and do not believe he is intelligent enough to GM an NHL team and am appalled by his 90's buy-a-team approach which has been proven over and over not to work..........I don't mind this signing (But we still need to do Tanev for Reinhart)

 

Gagner has always confused me, he's had soooo many people dump on him through out his career and I don't understand why (I think it started with the Oilers using him as a scapegoat for their failures but I don't understand why it has continued) The guy always puts up some points, I believe is a good skater (unless I'm mistaken) and though he's no tough guy, he will drop the gloves to protect his teammates (usually once or twice a year) and , he's well thought of and a good guy off the ice, plays the game hard and honest, gives you 100% of what he has.....

 

.....Did I just describe Trevor Linden or what?

 

Is it just the stink of the Oilers early career slander that clings to him? Why didn't Columbus re-sign him? Why does he have a hard time finding teams that want him? He's young, a CENTER......I just don't get it, I always thought he was criminally underrated, and though I hate the F.A team building stuff, I can't help but like the fact that he's here and will certainly be cheering for him (in fact he may end up being MY guy....may not be a good thing, Ballard was MY guy once...Gary Valk was MY guy too....Castles JR.....Subban.....damn, it's not looking good for Sam.....Dennis Peterson.....Linden, OK so ONE of my favorites worked out, ((Still say letting Valk go will haunt us, anyone who watched Utica last year for Virtanen highlights will know what I'm talking about))

 

Is Gagner just the Rodney Dangerfield of hockey or is there something wrong with this guy that doesn't get talked about?, I've heard some of that "bad 5 on 5" garbage and know that's what it is, he's no PP specialist the guy can play hockey and doesn't need a man advantage to do it, those weak excuses don't cover it,

 

I like Sam and though it pains me to admit it....I like the signing.....but seriously, what's the deal here? If you don't know then don't bother regurgitating the same pablum they spoon out through the media....unless it's some uber-personal thing that does belong on a message board, I want to know...

 

....Why has this guy been treated like a pariah, when he plays the game better than a lot of guys who make more money while doing a lot less?

 

What is the NHL's problem with Sam Gagner?

[Ryan Strome]

3 hours ago, terrible.dee said:

As much as I can't stand Benning and do not believe he is intelligent enough to GM an NHL team and am appalled by his 90's buy-a-team approach which has been proven over and over not to work..........I don't mind this signing (But we still need to do Tanev for Reinhart)

 

Gagner has always confused me, he's had soooo many people dump on him through out his career and I don't understand why (I think it started with the Oilers using him as a scapegoat for their failures but I don't understand why it has continued) The guy always puts up some points, I believe is a good skater (unless I'm mistaken) and though he's no tough guy, he will drop the gloves to protect his teammates (usually once or twice a year) and , he's well thought of and a good guy off the ice, plays the game hard and honest, gives you 100% of what he has.....

 

.....Did I just describe Trevor Linden or what?

 

Is it just the stink of the Oilers early career slander that clings to him? Why didn't Columbus re-sign him? Why does he have a hard time finding teams that want him? He's young, a CENTER......I just don't get it, I always thought he was criminally underrated, and though I hate the F.A team building stuff, I can't help but like the fact that he's here and will certainly be cheering for him (in fact he may end up being MY guy....may not be a good thing, Ballard was MY guy once...Gary Valk was MY guy too....Castles JR.....Subban.....damn, it's not looking good for Sam.....Dennis Peterson.....Linden, OK so ONE of my favorites worked out, ((Still say letting Valk go will haunt us, anyone who watched Utica last year for Virtanen highlights will know what I'm talking about))

 

Is Gagner just the Rodney Dangerfield of hockey or is there something wrong with this guy that doesn't get talked about?, I've heard some of that "bad 5 on 5" garbage and know that's what it is, he's no PP specialist the guy can play hockey and doesn't need a man advantage to do it, those weak excuses don't cover it,

 

I like Sam and though it pains me to admit it....I like the signing.....but seriously, what's the deal here? If you don't know then don't bother regurgitating the same pablum they spoon out through the media....unless it's some uber-personal thing that does belong on a message board, I want to know...

 

....Why has this guy been treated like a pariah, when he plays the game better than a lot of guys who make more money while doing a lot less?

 

What is the NHL's problem with Sam Gagner?

Unfortunately it takes two teams to make a trade.

[terrible.dee]

On 7/20/2017 at 9:01 PM, Ryan Strome said:

Unfortunately it takes two teams to make a trade.

I've been following the Buffalo buzz and the ONLY thing they talk about is how they need defense....over and over.....that's ALL they talk about, not just defense but a stable veteran presence who isn't too old, to stabilize the D........I mean C'mon........HELLO??????

 

Not just from their fans or media, from guys who cover the whole league, it's like they are begging for Tanev....for Godsakes he played his college hockey in Rochester......can a deal EVER be more obvious?!? And they just drafted another center!!.........I really think that they called Benning about this and he turned it down....which is beyond infuriating. I'm guessing he thinks we can't give up Tanev, we need him for our big playoff run this year.

[terrible.dee]

On 7/5/2017 at 9:36 PM, Rob_Zepp said:

Gagner is a place holder so younger players can develop.   What part of that don't you understand?   

 

You didn't get second part at all - YOU said "isn't barely going to help" - well, if he isn't barely, then you must mean he is a lot - so you seem to be arguing with yourself.   I have stated no opinion to what Gagner will or will not do for the Canuck's PP but you seem to say that he will help and then you face palm your own conclusion.

 

Are you high?

This is my favorite "astroturfing" Canucks employee, phony profile.....Love those random discrediting remarks in the sig, those are there to discredit and dissuade arguments in case anyone is wondering why those remarks were important enough for a poster on a hockey discussion site to actually take the time to put there.........am I high? If I get high will your pretending to be a real person be less obvious? cause if so pass it this way....your treat, this ones on Jimbo.

[Rob_Zepp]

4 hours ago, terrible.dee said:

This is my favorite "astroturfing" Canucks employee, phony profile.....Love those random discrediting remarks in the sig, those are there to discredit and dissuade arguments in case anyone is wondering why those remarks were important enough for a poster on a hockey discussion site to actually take the time to put there.........am I high? If I get high will your pretending to be a real person be less obvious? cause if so pass it this way....your treat, this ones on Jimbo.

What an angry person you are.   This all seems very important to you.  I hope it works out for you.   

[canucklehead44]

On 7/20/2017 at 8:11 PM, terrible.dee said:

As much as I can't stand Benning and do not believe he is intelligent enough to GM an NHL team and am appalled by his 90's buy-a-team approach which has been proven over and over not to work..........I don't mind this signing (But we still need to do Tanev for Reinhart)

 

Gagner has always confused me, he's had soooo many people dump on him through out his career and I don't understand why (I think it started with the Oilers using him as a scapegoat for their failures but I don't understand why it has continued) The guy always puts up some points, I believe is a good skater (unless I'm mistaken) and though he's no tough guy, he will drop the gloves to protect his teammates (usually once or twice a year) and , he's well thought of and a good guy off the ice, plays the game hard and honest, gives you 100% of what he has.....

 

.....Did I just describe Trevor Linden or what?

 

Is it just the stink of the Oilers early career slander that clings to him? Why didn't Columbus re-sign him? Why does he have a hard time finding teams that want him? He's young, a CENTER......I just don't get it, I always thought he was criminally underrated, and though I hate the F.A team building stuff, I can't help but like the fact that he's here and will certainly be cheering for him (in fact he may end up being MY guy....may not be a good thing, Ballard was MY guy once...Gary Valk was MY guy too....Castles JR.....Subban.....damn, it's not looking good for Sam.....Dennis Peterson.....Linden, OK so ONE of my favorites worked out, ((Still say letting Valk go will haunt us, anyone who watched Utica last year for Virtanen highlights will know what I'm talking about))

 

Is Gagner just the Rodney Dangerfield of hockey or is there something wrong with this guy that doesn't get talked about?, I've heard some of that "bad 5 on 5" garbage and know that's what it is, he's no PP specialist the guy can play hockey and doesn't need a man advantage to do it, those weak excuses don't cover it,

 

I like Sam and though it pains me to admit it....I like the signing.....but seriously, what's the deal here? If you don't know then don't bother regurgitating the same pablum they spoon out through the media....unless it's some uber-personal thing that does belong on a message board, I want to know...

 

....Why has this guy been treated like a pariah, when he plays the game better than a lot of guys who make more money while doing a lot less?

 

What is the NHL's problem with Sam Gagner?

I've never got it either. I've wanted Gagner in a Canucks uni for some time. 

 

In Edmonton he was expected to be a first line centre but he isn't quite at that level. He also signed a big contract and didn't really improve statistically.  Oilers got Purcell who was similar statistically and on a cheaper contract. 

The trade away from Arizona baffles me. Arizona was going to buy him out and instead traded him for Chris Pronger and Nicklas Grossman. He lead the Coyotes forwards in points that year. He sucked in Philly. Perhaps Vancouver offered him more money and term than CBJ?

[McIlhargey the Lesser]

8 points in one game! For realz.

[MikeyBoy44]

1 hour ago, McIlhargey the Lesser said:

8 points in one game! For realz.

Ikr? 1 out of 696 is legit af!

[Phat Fingers]

On July 20, 2017 at 9:11 PM, terrible.dee said:

As much as I can't stand Benning and do not believe he is intelligent enough to GM an NHL team and am appalled by his 90's buy-a-team approach which has been proven over and over not to work..........I don't mind this signing (But we still need to do Tanev for Reinhart)

 

Gagner has always confused me, he's had soooo many people dump on him through out his career and I don't understand why (I think it started with the Oilers using him as a scapegoat for their failures but I don't understand why it has continued) The guy always puts up some points, I believe is a good skater (unless I'm mistaken) and though he's no tough guy, he will drop the gloves to protect his teammates (usually once or twice a year) and , he's well thought of and a good guy off the ice, plays the game hard and honest, gives you 100% of what he has.....

 

.....Did I just describe Trevor Linden or what?

 

Is it just the stink of the Oilers early career slander that clings to him? Why didn't Columbus re-sign him? Why does he have a hard time finding teams that want him? He's young, a CENTER......I just don't get it, I always thought he was criminally underrated, and though I hate the F.A team building stuff, I can't help but like the fact that he's here and will certainly be cheering for him (in fact he may end up being MY guy....may not be a good thing, Ballard was MY guy once...Gary Valk was MY guy too....Castles JR.....Subban.....damn, it's not looking good for Sam.....Dennis Peterson.....Linden, OK so ONE of my favorites worked out, ((Still say letting Valk go will haunt us, anyone who watched Utica last year for Virtanen highlights will know what I'm talking about))

 

Is Gagner just the Rodney Dangerfield of hockey or is there something wrong with this guy that doesn't get talked about?, I've heard some of that "bad 5 on 5" garbage and know that's what it is, he's no PP specialist the guy can play hockey and doesn't need a man advantage to do it, those weak excuses don't cover it,

 

I like Sam and though it pains me to admit it....I like the signing.....but seriously, what's the deal here? If you don't know then don't bother regurgitating the same pablum they spoon out through the media....unless it's some uber-personal thing that does belong on a message board, I want to know...

 

....Why has this guy been treated like a pariah, when he plays the game better than a lot of guys who make more money while doing a lot less?

 

What is the NHL's problem with Sam Gagner?

Gotta tip my hat and give you the slow clap of respect.  

 

This is was the most honest and real post I have read from you and I can see your point of view.  To be honest with the mix of being scapegoated in the media whether we win or lose, or the second child persecution complex of fan base that tends to exist on the CDC, it isn't hard to see that Gagner is a great signing and is worth a lot more based on his production.  If he was a second rounder, he would likely have a different rep.  

 

On the other hand, he may really want to play in Van, and wanted to be here for a while.  

 

Great at signing and good post. 

 

EmW

 

 

[McIlhargey the Lesser]

On 7/27/2017 at 11:05 PM, MikeyBoy44 said:

Ikr? 1 out of 696 is legit af!

How many players have done this?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_with_eight_or_more_points_in_an_NHL_game

 

One of 13 out of thousands is legit af!

[MikeyBoy44]

4 hours ago, McIlhargey the Lesser said:

How many players have done this?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_players_with_eight_or_more_points_in_an_NHL_game

 

One of 13 out of thousands is legit af!

The rest of that list are actual stars. Ganger is one hit wonder. 

[Stierlitz]

 

[Stierlitz]

 

[Lancaster]

The way I view Sam Gagner... he's filling the role that Cody Hodgson was supposed to have filled.  Secondary scoring to help relieve the pressures from the Sedins and to help transition to the next core (Horvat, OJ, Virtanen, etc).  

 

With him in the lineup... it effectively can help create 3 "2nd lines" on the team.  

Baertschi-Horvat

Daniel-Henrik

Gagner + Eriksson (or whoever) 

 

Sam Gagner is entering his prime (age 27) and can potentially be there for another 5 seasons.  With the right system, linemates, etc... he could still improve to be a PPG player for a season or two.  Won't be good enough to lead the Canucks deep into the post-season, but does make making the playoffs a likely possibility.  

[The Lock]

On 7/31/2017 at 5:06 PM, Lancaster said:

The way I view Sam Gagner... he's filling the role that Cody Hodgson was supposed to have filled.  Secondary scoring to help relieve the pressures from the Sedins and to help transition to the next core (Horvat, OJ, Virtanen, etc).  

 

With him in the lineup... it effectively can help create 3 "2nd lines" on the team.  

Baertschi-Horvat

Daniel-Henrik

Gagner + Eriksson (or whoever) 

 

Sam Gagner is entering his prime (age 27) and can potentially be there for another 5 seasons.  With the right system, linemates, etc... he could still improve to be a PPG player for a season or two.  Won't be good enough to lead the Canucks deep into the post-season, but does make making the playoffs a likely possibility.  

The thing that I like about Gagner is he's consistent. Aside from his time in Philly, he's been at a pace of 40-50 points a season. While it's not the totals that perhaps some people here expected of Hodgson, I can see what you're saying.

 

I think the question will be will this be his prime and will he be able to go to the "next level" or will he basically be consistent like he has been throughout most of his career. However, either way I'm fine with it.

[apollo]

On 7/31/2017 at 5:06 PM, Lancaster said:

The way I view Sam Gagner... he's filling the role that Cody Hodgson was supposed to have filled.  Secondary scoring to help relieve the pressures from the Sedins and to help transition to the next core (Horvat, OJ, Virtanen, etc).  

 

With him in the lineup... it effectively can help create 3 "2nd lines" on the team.  

Baertschi-Horvat

Daniel-Henrik

Gagner + Eriksson (or whoever) 

 

Sam Gagner is entering his prime (age 27) and can potentially be there for another 5 seasons.  With the right system, linemates, etc... he could still improve to be a PPG player for a season or two.  Won't be good enough to lead the Canucks deep into the post-season, but does make making the playoffs a likely possibility.  

If we're getting PPG production from Sam, this will be by far Jimbo's best move to have locked him up at 3.15.

[Lancaster]

57 minutes ago, apollo said:

If we're getting PPG production from Sam, this will be by far Jimbo's best move to have locked him up at 3.15.

Very probably IMO. 

 

In CBJ, he was primarily playing with Hartnell and Sedlak.  While Scott Hartnell has been putting up decent points in the past decade.... he's 35 and has been trending downward.  Sedlak is a rookie and seems like a 2nd/3rd liner.  

Chances are if Gagner will be moved to the wing, he'll be playing with Bo and Baertschi.  Horvat could easily put up at least 60 points and Sven with at least 50 himself..... this assuming it's just natural progression (getting more experienced, stronger, training, etc).  Gagner puts up 50pts with average players.... so with young players who are trending up.... I expect (assuming they are playing together on the same line) Horvat, Gagner and Baertschi to break out points wise.