Kurt Nirvanagut Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 LOL @ anyone who thinks Karlsson is damaged goods and wouldn't cost the Canucks their best prospects. The Don Cherry of fan forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pears Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 You’re probably looking at the very minimum of Juolevi, Demko, Goldobin, Gaudette, a 1st and a 2nd and even then I don’t think that gets done. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I am more interested in taking a stab at OEL in FA next season. Or hopefully get a top 10 pick and get a top D-man in this draft. Karlsson is a god, but with the Canadian taxes he's definitely gonna be asking for 10+mil to play in Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 58 minutes ago, Pears said: You’re probably looking at the very minimum of Juolevi, Demko, Goldobin, Gaudette, a 1st and a 2nd and even then I don’t think that gets done. What rebuilding team would give up that type of youth for Karlsson? I think he’s great too, but I don’t see any team making a trade like that. Does that Karlsson walks out of Ottawa in 2019 as a UFA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebreh Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 29 minutes ago, N7Nucks said: I am more interested in taking a stab at OEL in FA next season. Or hopefully get a top 10 pick and get a top D-man in this draft. Karlsson is a god, but with the Canadian taxes he's definitely gonna be asking for 10+mil to play in Canada. I agree, i'd rather wait for OEL or hope we land Dahlin at the draft than give up assets. OEL is basically like Karlsson without the massive ego. he had 12 goals 39 points last season and 18 in 33 games this year on a very bad team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 14 minutes ago, Alflives said: What rebuilding team would give up that type of youth for Karlsson? I think he’s great too, but I don’t see any team making a trade like that. Does that Karlsson walks out of Ottawa in 2019 as a UFA? I think they have already decided that Karlsson will be traded, internally. The Sens M.O is to trade off people who are up for the huge contract for years of control at manageable cap hits to remain competitive. Seen it before. They'll do it again and again. There is no way anyone on the Sens will get a 10 mil plus cap hit. Not with the budget they have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HockeydownUnder Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 3 hours ago, Trebreh said: I agree, i'd rather wait for OEL or hope we land Dahlin at the draft than give up assets. OEL is basically like Karlsson without the massive ego. he had 12 goals 39 points last season and 18 in 33 games this year on a very bad team. Karlsson had 71 points last year. He had 82 points the year before. This has been considered a down year for Karlsson so far and he has 18 points in 23 games. He is the reason Ottawa has any hope of making the playoffs in any given year. So no OEL is not basically Karlsson. That said I agree we shouldn't be giving up assets for Karlsson. Patience with the rebuild will give the Canucks a roster full of talent and depth to compete for a cup. Sadly I have a hunch that Dahlin is going to the Oilers. They are due for a 1st overall and the hockey gods have a way of crushing the Canucks hopes and dreams Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noseforthenet Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 8 minutes ago, HockeydownUnder said: Karlsson had 71 points last year. He had 82 points the year before. This has been considered a down year for Karlsson so far and he has 18 points in 23 games. He is the reason Ottawa has any hope of making the playoffs in any given year. So no OEL is not basically Karlsson. That said I agree we shouldn't be giving up assets for Karlsson. Patience with the rebuild will give the Canucks a roster full of talent and depth to compete for a cup. Sadly I have a hunch that Dahlin is going to the Oilers. They are due for a 1st overall and the hockey gods have a way of crushing the Canucks hopes and dreams They aren't due for it, IMO...but they'll likely get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Any trade for Karlsson will destroy our future. We are not in a position to make this move as our present is not ready. If we can get him, doughty or OEL via UFA then that's a different story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dats hockey Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Honestly Vancouver just attracts Swedes let just see if he goes to free agency and go from there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kloubek Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 11 hours ago, stuman491 said: I was thinking Toronto as well. They could offer up a very good package, but I'm no sure if they would have the cap space to sign him. Nylander, Kapanen, Liljegren and a 1st If Toronto offered that Ottawa should take it and run. Thats an enormous package. (Thats what she said) I think this guy is as good as it gets. We will absolutely be able to use a stud like him on our blueline in a couple of years. Toronto is in a position to offer as much young talent as necessary though, whereas the few high end guys we do hve on our roster or prospect system we need. Unfortunately, we just wouldn't be in contention for his services. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted December 12, 2017 Author Share Posted December 12, 2017 16 hours ago, Pears said: You’re probably looking at the very minimum of Juolevi, Demko, Goldobin, Gaudette, a 1st and a 2nd and even then I don’t think that gets done. That is a a lot. If we knew he would resign it could be palatable. But I'm not sure i'd be thrilled to see that much of our future walk out the door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukini Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 16 hours ago, Alflives said: What rebuilding team would give up that type of youth for Karlsson? I think he’s great too, but I don’t see any team making a trade like that. Does that Karlsson walks out of Ottawa in 2019 as a UFA? Is there a rule that says only a rebuilding team can trade for Karlsson? And yes. The Sens Management is unbelievably cheap, I hope he walks out in fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, Zhukini said: Is there a rule that says only a rebuilding team can trade for Karlsson? And yes. The Sens Management is unbelievably cheap, I hope he walks out in fact. I agree. I don't think we should trade our youth for him. Love to have him here though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sbriggs Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 11:39 AM, stuman491 said: I was listening to 1040 and they were saying the Senators have asked Karlsson to give them his no trade list. Obviously that doesn't mean they are going to trade him, but they are obviously open to the idea. Initially I figured there is no way the Canucks could put together a package to get him. But maybe we could scrounge up enough talent to make Ottawa think about it. Should the Canucks go after someone like Karlsson or just wait for free agency in 2019? To Ottawa: Baertschi, Demko, 2018 1st (lottery protected), Gudbranson. To Vancouver: Karlsson + extension. We are going to lose Gudbranson anyway. He replaces Methot who Ottawa really didn't want to lose this summer. Demko is top Goalie prospect. Its obvious they need to think about moving on from Anderson. Baertschi is a top 6 winger who is a similar age to their current young talent. Is this too much for the Canucks to give up? I think this would be a package Ottawa would have to consider. At this point Demko isn't going anywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 6 hours ago, Sbriggs said: At this point Demko isn't going anywhere Judging by our recent goaltending i'd say that's not a bad thing at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckmen84 Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 On 12/11/2017 at 11:39 AM, stuman491 said: To Ottawa: Baertschi, Demko, 2018 1st (lottery protected), Gudbranson. Ottawa would be demanding at least.... Tanev plus one of Boeser or Petttersson and a draft pick. That being said we can not afford that type of ransom nor do i think it would be worth it as the sky is the limit for Boeser and Pettersson, Karlsson is the exact type of defense man we need but we are better off just staying the course drafting our own super stars IMO. Interesting to ponder though.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-Dizzle Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 1 hour ago, canuckmen84 said: Ottawa would be demanding at least.... Tanev plus one of Boeser or Petttersson and a draft pick. That being said we can not afford that type of ransom nor do i think it would be worth it as the sky is the limit for Boeser and Pettersson, Karlsson is the exact type of defense man we need but we are better off just staying the course drafting our own super stars IMO. Interesting to ponder though.. I think they'd be asking more..... Maybe if the draft pick wasn't lottery protected and was looking like it would be a very high pick that would get it done but..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuman491 Posted December 14, 2017 Author Share Posted December 14, 2017 22 hours ago, canuckmen84 said: Ottawa would be demanding at least.... Tanev plus one of Boeser or Petttersson and a draft pick. That being said we can not afford that type of ransom nor do i think it would be worth it as the sky is the limit for Boeser and Pettersson, Karlsson is the exact type of defense man we need but we are better off just staying the course drafting our own super stars IMO. Interesting to ponder though.. Your right. If they are asking more it is something we should stay away from for sure. We do not have the stockpile of grade A prospects to give away. I do think Ottawa will trade him this summer though (as long as they keep sucking). Someone will pay a kings ransom for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 On 2017-12-11 at 2:32 PM, zzbottom said: LOL @ anyone who thinks Karlsson is damaged goods and wouldn't cost the Canucks their best prospects. The Don Cherry of fan forums. btw you misspelled my name and I never said that ..............yet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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