RonMexico Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, chon derry said: https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/broncoscrash/parents-of-humboldt-broncos-player-file-lawsuit/ar-AAzQTI6?ocid=spartanntp Russell and Raelene Herold of Montmartre, Sask., filed the statement of claim Monday in Regina court on behalf of their 16-year-old son, Adam Herold, the youngest player on the team and one of its rising stars. "Adam would have played in the National Hockey League," claims the lawsuit. "Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million over the course of his NHL hockey career." The statement of claim also says he would have taken over the family's farm. How can that be proven?? He also had the potential to never make it or get injured too. I know it's well within his parent's legal ability to file such a law suit but asking to cover potential future earnings for a job that he never even had seems somewhat unnecessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chon derry Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Russell and Raelene Herold of Montmartre, Sask., filed the statement of claim Monday in Regina court on behalf of their 16-year-old son, Adam Herold, the youngest player on the team and one of its rising stars. "Adam would have played in the National Hockey League," claims the lawsuit. "Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million over the course of his NHL hockey career." The statement of claim also says he would have taken over the family's farm. How can that be proven?? He also had the potential to never make it or get injured too. I know it's well within his parent's legal ability to file such a law suit but asking to cover potential future earnings for a job that he never even had seems somewhat unnecessary. it does seem like 'piling on' but thats the latest...……. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Russell and Raelene Herold of Montmartre, Sask., filed the statement of claim Monday in Regina court on behalf of their 16-year-old son, Adam Herold, the youngest player on the team and one of its rising stars. "Adam would have played in the National Hockey League," claims the lawsuit. "Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million over the course of his NHL hockey career." The statement of claim also says he would have taken over the family's farm. How can that be proven?? He also had the potential to never make it or get injured too. I know it's well within his parent's legal ability to file such a law suit but asking to cover potential future earnings for a job that he never even had seems somewhat unnecessary. Ask Steve Moore....he can tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RonMexico Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said: Ask Steve Moore....he can tell you. Not the same. He played hockey as his primary source of income and therefore did lose out on potential income in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhdlois Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 18 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Russell and Raelene Herold of Montmartre, Sask., filed the statement of claim Monday in Regina court on behalf of their 16-year-old son, Adam Herold, the youngest player on the team and one of its rising stars. "Adam would have played in the National Hockey League," claims the lawsuit. "Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million over the course of his NHL hockey career." The statement of claim also says he would have taken over the family's farm. How can that be proven?? He also had the potential to never make it or get injured too. I know it's well within his parent's legal ability to file such a law suit but asking to cover potential future earnings for a job that he never even had seems somewhat unnecessary. All future loss is unknown/grey area, it's up to the lawyer to argue his case on behalf of the claimant. It is not uncommon at all to sue for future loss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: I don't care about intent. I'm sure he didn't MEAN to...but he did. And there was a stop sign missed in a big rig at highway speed that rammed a bus that had the right of way. Killed a bunch of kids. Again, how dare you do that last line....out of respect to the grieving families...this wasn't just an error. "Woops". No, I have not wiped out a bunch of kids who are now dead. For you to miss the significance of that means you're not seeing the big picture here. This was preventable it seems...and they should still be here. Also it wasn't just a regular stop sign, it had a flashing amber light. Suffice to say that JV's scenario of the driver "missing" the stop sign seems incredibly unlikely unless he was driving while distracted. 3 hours ago, chon derry said: looking at a map ther's a good possibility that he had already been through this same intersection , may or may not have seen any traffic the first time , who knows ? on his way to carrot river to pick up his load he should have been familiar with this 2 way stop intersection with blinking amber lite, did he down play the significance of it because he didn't see traffic the first time thru? That's what I think happened. Inexperienced driver, probably somewhat familiar with route and likely been through this intersection with no traffic. Due to the trees blocking the bus, he decides that he doesn't want to take the time to slow down because there is no one in sight just as has been the case in previous encounters with this particular intersection. People need to understand that rules aren't put in place to be burdensome. They were put in place by people far more informed than you are to keep you and everyone sharing the same road as you safe. This driver neglected his responsibility and it led to significant loss of life. Aside from Alf and his incessant need to take the most absurd position and try to defend it, I think everyone realizes that excessively punishing this bozo accomplishes little. You can send a strong message without scapegoating one individual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Not the same. He played hockey as his primary source of income and therefore did lose out on potential income in that case. It's still a projection for "future" income and that's never certain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurn Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=196295 defense,shoots left played 1 game in regular season and 8 in Humboldt's playoff for 2017/18 1 assist in the 8 playoff games, and none in the reg season. Played 3 games with Prince Albert Raiders in 17/18, no points, minus 1. elite prospects has more data https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/351958/adam-herold 2014-15 Balgonie Prairie Storm Bantam AA SBAAHL 31 4 10 14 28 | Playoffs 8 3 1 4 10 2015-16 Prairie Storm Bantam AA SBAAHL 29 11 18 29 77 | Playoffs 4 1 0 1 12 Moose Jaw Generals SMHL 1 0 0 0 0 | 2016-17 Regina Pat Canadians Midget AAA SMHL 43 2 9 11 26 | Playoffs 11 1 4 5 8 Prince Albert Raiders WHL 1 0 0 0 0 0 | 2017-18 Regina Pat Canadians Midget AAA “C” SMHL 43 6 24 30 28 | Playoffs 7 1 5 6 6 Humboldt Broncos SJHL 1 0 0 0 0 | Playoffs 8 0 1 1 0 Prince Albert Raiders WHL 3 0 0 0 0 -1 | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 10, 2018 Author Share Posted July 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, Toews said: Also it wasn't just a regular stop sign, it had a flashing amber light. Suffice to say that JV's scenario of the driver "missing" the stop sign seems incredibly unlikely unless he was driving while distracted. That's what I think happened. Inexperienced driver, probably somewhat familiar with route and likely been through this intersection with no traffic. Due to the trees blocking the bus, he decides that he doesn't want to take the time to slow down because there is no one in sight just as has been the case in previous encounters with this particular intersection. People need to understand that rules aren't put in place to be burdensome. They were put in place by people far more informed than you are to keep you and everyone sharing the same road as you safe. This driver neglected his responsibility and it led to significant loss of life. Aside from Alf and his incessant need to take the most absurd position and try to defend it, I think everyone realizes that excessively punishing this bozo accomplishes little. You can send a strong message without scapegoating one individual. Wasn't even amber....flashing red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 38 minutes ago, RonMexico said: Russell and Raelene Herold of Montmartre, Sask., filed the statement of claim Monday in Regina court on behalf of their 16-year-old son, Adam Herold, the youngest player on the team and one of its rising stars. "Adam would have played in the National Hockey League," claims the lawsuit. "Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million over the course of his NHL hockey career." The statement of claim also says he would have taken over the family's farm. How can that be proven?? He also had the potential to never make it or get injured too. I know it's well within his parent's legal ability to file such a law suit but asking to cover potential future earnings for a job that he never even had seems somewhat unnecessary. This is a stretch and looks they are looking to cash in and I guess they can't be faulted for trying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 7 hours ago, Toews said: Also it wasn't just a regular stop sign, it had a flashing amber light. Suffice to say that JV's scenario of the driver "missing" the stop sign seems incredibly unlikely unless he was driving while distracted. That's what I think happened. Inexperienced driver, probably somewhat familiar with route and likely been through this intersection with no traffic. Due to the trees blocking the bus, he decides that he doesn't want to take the time to slow down because there is no one in sight just as has been the case in previous encounters with this particular intersection. People need to understand that rules aren't put in place to be burdensome. They were put in place by people far more informed than you are to keep you and everyone sharing the same road as you safe. This driver neglected his responsibility and it led to significant loss of life. Aside from Alf and his incessant need to take the most absurd position and try to defend it, I think everyone realizes that excessively punishing this bozo accomplishes little. You can send a strong message without scapegoating one individual. Kinda vague here imo. what is excessive to you, i, a judge, and the mother of a dead son could be entirely different most likely. what strong message is available? to me scapegoating is not a word that applies to someone who has killed 16 people through negligent practice. in your description of the event, if that is what happened, it’s as near straight up murder as I can see. Sure he didn’t know the people in the bus. Sure there was no direct personal intent. But in your scenario the truck driver displayed blatant disregard for human life. That is an example of someone who values an invoice over human life. honestly I don’t see how this man can not go to jail for a significant amount of time. I’m not suggesting a life sentence but very lengthy. that is a message. A tragedy like this has to set a precedent. Scapegoat may be the word you choose. But frankly Mr. Sidhu should feel fortunate to see the outside world at this point. He is alive after all. And anyone, in this country, who is involved in a like accident in the future should never come out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JV77 Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 8 hours ago, riffraff said: Kinda vague here imo. what is excessive to you, i, a judge, and the mother of a dead son could be entirely different most likely. what strong message is available? to me scapegoating is not a word that applies to someone who has killed 16 people through negligent practice. in your description of the event, if that is what happened, it’s as near straight up murder as I can see. Sure he didn’t know the people in the bus. Sure there was no direct personal intent. But in your scenario the truck driver displayed blatant disregard for human life. That is an example of someone who values an invoice over human life. honestly I don’t see how this man can not go to jail for a significant amount of time. I’m not suggesting a life sentence but very lengthy. that is a message. A tragedy like this has to set a precedent. Scapegoat may be the word you choose. But frankly Mr. Sidhu should feel fortunate to see the outside world at this point. He is alive after all. And anyone, in this country, who is involved in a like accident in the future should never come out. Im following the story on news outlets and it was mentioned that it isn't even certain the stop sign was ran. It's all assumptions right now based on where the 2 vehicles ended up. Nobody knows exactly what happend yet and this will try to be determined in a trial. People need to let it play it out and stop acting like they know what exactly happened and who is to blame when police and courts don't even know yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 hours ago, JV77 said: Im following the story on news outlets and it was mentioned that it isn't even certain the stop sign was ran. It's all assumptions right now based on where the 2 vehicles ended up. Nobody knows exactly what happend yet and this will try to be determined in a trial. People need to let it play it out and stop acting like they know what exactly happened and who is to blame when police and courts don't even know yet. You’re right. There is a process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I am going to get a lot of hate for this but I find it egregious that a family is filing a lawsuit against the maker of the bus. Millions of dollars were raised for these families worldwide to help them cope and cover the costs of future earnings, why put the blame on the bus manufacturer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 9 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: I am going to get a lot of hate for this but I find it egregious that a family is filing a lawsuit against the maker of the bus. Millions of dollars were raised for these families worldwide to help them cope and cover the costs of future earnings, why put the blame on the bus manufacturer? Don’t think you’ll get hate for a reasonable question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 19 hours ago, debluvscanucks said: Ask Steve Moore....he can tell you. Do not bring him in, these poor kids should not be compared so that scum bag Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Squamfan said: Do not bring him in, these poor kids should not be compared so that scum bag My point being in support of the families and their suit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 20 hours ago, RonMexico said: Russell and Raelene Herold of Montmartre, Sask., filed the statement of claim Monday in Regina court on behalf of their 16-year-old son, Adam Herold, the youngest player on the team and one of its rising stars. "Adam would have played in the National Hockey League," claims the lawsuit. "Adam had the potential to earn approximately $20-$30 million over the course of his NHL hockey career." The statement of claim also says he would have taken over the family's farm. How can that be proven?? He also had the potential to never make it or get injured too. I know it's well within his parent's legal ability to file such a law suit but asking to cover potential future earnings for a job that he never even had seems somewhat unnecessary. if he was going to play in the NHL shouldn't he not been in the WHL and not some minor league.? And if he was good he should have been playing in the WHL like alot of player who are that age are in that league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squamfan Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, debluvscanucks said: My point being in support of the families and their suit.... what pisses me about more was that the doctor cleared him to play and he was offered multiple contracts but he declined knowing he would make less money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted July 11, 2018 Author Share Posted July 11, 2018 28 minutes ago, Tre Mac said: I am going to get a lot of hate for this but I find it egregious that a family is filing a lawsuit against the maker of the bus. Millions of dollars were raised for these families worldwide to help them cope and cover the costs of future earnings, why put the blame on the bus manufacturer? The claim also seeks a court declaration that all coach buses carrying sports teams in Saskatchewan be equipped with shoulder harnesses, and other safety devices, namely early warning devices. I have mixed emotions about this. On the one hand, the family PUT their child on the bus and no one forced them to do so. If they felt it was unsafe, then decisions had to be made. To now have an issue with it sort of is a matter of shared responsibility to me. We makes choices and decisions and so to "go back" to address this is a bit of a reach for me. However, it is seemingly about making things safer for future passengers, so I'm all in. Ridiculous that vehicles transporting our kids do not have seatbelts. I thought I'd read something about the roof too...will have to see if I can find it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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