Nikita Tryamkin said he watched the Canucks game last night.

[189lb enforcers?]

Beauty post. 

[oldnews]

33 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

 

  

As more time passes, I think it's increasingly clear that Desjardins doesn't communicate with guys who somehow end up in his doghouse.  For example, in L.A.:

Kovalchuk would rather wear his uniform rather than a suit, a feeling echoed by Jonny Brodzinski, another forward that Desjardins has benched to mix things up and play younger players.

 

“But they’re not playing young guys,” Kovalchuk said. “They’re playing seven D.”

 

Desjardins has employed an 11-forward, seven-defensemen lineup three times in the past five games, and the Kings are 2-1 in that split. But it creates an awkward situation to bench a prideful Kovalchuk.

 

“After Willie came here, I don’t have a chance,” Kovalchuk said. “I play five, six minutes a game. A few games I play with Kopi. We did well. We score all five games, but then he decided to change and I never play again much. That’s the way he sees the situation. He’s the head coach and he’s responsible for results.”

Kovalchuk is on pace for 42pts, good for third among L.A. forwards.  Instead Desjardins goes with seven defensemen on the league's lowest scoring team.  Virtanen has also said that Desjardins rarely talked to him.  Remember the "stuff" fiasco?    

 

Kovalchuk's actual game log tells an entirely different story.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kovalil01/gamelog/2019/

 

He's played 6 minutes one time this season.

He has averaged 16:25 of ice-time.

He has not been very good  - and blaming that on his coach is questionable at best.

 

54.5% ozone starts

46.9% corsi

1.9 on ice goals for per 60

3.4 against.

31 points - 30% of them on the powerplay

-26 in the context of 54.5% ozone starts.

He has spent the bulk of this ice-time with Toffoli, Carter, Kopitar.

 

Sorry - but this is tiny violin material imo.

Stop blaming a transition coach like Desjardins and take responsibility for yourself?

 

The thing about Tryamkin - would love to have him back - but if he does come back, please keep comments about Goldobin's worthiness to be in the lineup out of the press - it's not only not really the players' place to make these decisions, but is generally an ill-conceived opinion in the first place.

 

Sorry to Kovalchuk - a great player for quite some time - but I'm having a hard time summoning some sympathy for him or his two years remaining at 6.25 million.  He might actually be underperforming Loui Eriksson at this point, who plays fewer minutes than Kovalchuk (about 2:20/game less) and certainly doesn't see the 2:46 of powerplay ice time a game that Kovalchuk does.  Loui Eriksson has 24 even strength points - more than Kovalchuk - overall has 4 fewer points, gets 37.9% ozone starts, mostly in Vancouver's bottom six - and does not play with Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli.....

 

LE actually imo has more grounds to complain about his deployment and ice time than Kovalchuk does - and who would want to hear that?

 

WD may be a chosen whipping-boy on these boards, but the vast majority of it is bullshizz.

 

 

 

[alt kilgore]

45 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

For all the hoopla around Tryamkin wanting more ice time, his main concern might've actually been the lack of direction from Desjardins.  It's one thing to not play as much as you'd like, it's another to not know why or how you can earn more time.  I think it's pretty obvious that Tryamkin didn't know what Desjardins was thinking, and perhaps he didn't want to spend key developmental years in an uncertain situation.  This is a guy who traveled to the draft combine even though he was not invited and was passed up the previous two years.  He came to development camp even though he barely knew any English.  He wanted to play in the NHL, but hockey is a short career and stagnating at any job is a terrible feeling.  However, he's expressed multiple times that he still follows the Canucks, so if the situation is right I don't see why he can't be brought back on a one or two year contract.  There's not a lot to lose but tons to gain for both sides.

Kovalchuk: "That’s the way he sees the situation. He’s the head coach and he’s responsible for results"

 

Little dig there

 

One wonders what the history is with Willie D and Russian born players on his junior teams before he was an NHL coach. He was the absolute wrong coach for Nikita's entry into the NHL that's for sure. Not all, but many Russian players have a built in wariness of the intentions of Western authority figures. My brother in law immigrated from a former Russian state, although he is originally from German decent. He despises Russians just because of the totally corrupt culture he grew up in. They have this built in skepticism, defensiveness, and stubborn arrogance to the point that they don't think any authority figure has their best interests in mind, without at least some kind of personal benefit for them. Its a defensive trait built in from over a century of wars, invasions, and going from a communist dictatorship almost directly to a mafia crime boss dictatorship. It is built in to their psyche. As a coach, or GM you have to understand that. I think Willie didn't want to do that, didn't have the patience,  or decided devoting his attention to other players (Vey!) was a more productive use of his time.

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[189lb enforcers?]

Beauty post. 

[SilentSam]

56 minutes ago, oldnews said:

Kovalchuk's actual game log tells an entirely different story.

https://www.hockey-reference.com/players/k/kovalil01/gamelog/2019/

 

He's played 6 minutes one time this season.

He has averaged 16:25 of ice-time.

He has not been very good  - and blaming that on his coach is questionable at best.

 

54.5% ozone starts

46.9% corsi

1.9 on ice goals for per 60

3.4 against.

31 points - 30% of them on the powerplay

-26 in the context of 54.5% ozone starts.

He has spent the bulk of this ice-time with Toffoli, Carter, Kopitar.

 

Sorry - but this is tiny violin material imo.

Stop blaming a transition coach like Desjardins and take responsibility for yourself?

 

The thing about Tryamkin - would love to have him back - but if he does come back, please keep comments about Goldobin's worthiness to be in the lineup out of the press - it's not only not really the players' place to make these decisions, but is generally an ill-conceived opinion in the first place.

 

Sorry to Kovalchuk - a great player for quite some time - but I'm having a hard time summoning some sympathy for him or his two years remaining at 6.25 million.  He might actually be underperforming Loui Eriksson at this point, who plays fewer minutes than Kovalchuk (about 2:20/game less) and certainly doesn't see the 2:46 of powerplay ice time a game that Kovalchuk does.  Loui Eriksson has 24 even strength points - more than Kovalchuk - overall has 4 fewer points, gets 37.9% ozone starts, mostly in Vancouver's bottom six - and does not play with Kopitar, Carter, Toffoli.....

 

LE actually imo has more grounds to complain about his deployment and ice time than Kovalchuk does - and who would want to hear that?

 

WD may be a chosen whipping-boy on these boards, but the vast majority of it is bullshizz.

 

 

 

Kovalchuck is worth having on a pp.. even as a specialist alone.

Eriksson isn’t..      his pk is ok, but Rousells is better.

Kovalchuck hits net. That wins game.   Why sit that.

 

Sorry, appreciate your views ONews,  I’m not too much into analytics as watching live performance.  Analytics seem to throw sunshine or shade on other players fortune or errors.

I think we’ve all seen too much of LE.

 

Tryamkin.    We need back. Could help solidify our D core for 5 years.  

[HockeyHarry]

Willie D is a weird guy and made weird chooses. Who was he giving so much ice time too Megna ,Chapoo, Etem and Vey.

 

[stawns]

1 hour ago, SilentSam said:

Kovalchuck is worth having on a pp.. even as a specialist alone.

Eriksson isn’t..      his pk is ok, but Rousells is better.

Kovalchuck hits net. That wins game.   Why sit that.

 

Sorry, appreciate your views ONews,  I’m not too much into analytics as watching live performance.  Analytics seem to throw sunshine or shade on other players fortune or errors.

I think we’ve all seen too much of LE.

 

Tryamkin.    We need back. Could help solidify our D core for 5 years.  

I'm fine with him back as a 4th line, defensive fwd who can fill in up the lineup when need be.  It'll be interesting to see how it shakes out, as I can actually see Schaller sticking around as well.  

[philtbc829]

If he comes back great...if not..meh...not going to cry into my vodka either....

[Ossi Vaananen]

I think we should tell Columbus they can skip the draft. Take their 3rd and 7th this year for Tram's rights. They get a potential defenseman and save on flying out their entire management group.

 

Half-kidding, but could work.

[PhillipBlunt]

On 3/29/2019 at 8:22 AM, -Vintage Canuck- said:

Adding Hughes, Tryamkin and potentially Byram would make this defence much better. But we’re still missing a defenceman that has ‘the shot’ from the point.

I’m thinking if Nikita worked on his shot, it could be lethal. 

[JustRich]

As per Daliwal on sn650 a few mins ago, Groot is in Vancouver talking with the big wigs.  Hoping it's not an April fools troll job?  

[billabong]

This is just mean! 

[WeneedLumme]

24 minutes ago, FilthyRich said:

As per Daliwal on sn650 a few mins ago, Groot is in Vancouver talking with the big wigs.  Hoping it's not an April fools troll job?  

Yes, I'm hoping that too. Of course I am also hoping that I win the lottery, and sadly  both those things are about equally likely.

[J.I.A.H.N]

Ummmmmmm......Yeah......Suuuuuuure!  

[oldnews]

21 hours ago, SilentSam said:

Kovalchuck is worth having on a pp.. even as a specialist alone.

Eriksson isn’t..      his pk is ok, but Rousells is better.

Kovalchuck hits net. That wins game.   Why sit that.

First of all - woosh.  You've whiffed on virtually the entire post

And 2nd - Kovalchuk has 14 goals - 4 on the powerplay.  Eriksson has 11 - and as many even strenght goals as Kovalchuk.

So the so and so hits the net, wins the game story is a cool one, but Kovalchuk is radically underperforming - and blaming that on Desjardins is....lame

[D-Money]

21 minutes ago, oldnews said:

First of all - woosh.  You've whiffed on virtually the entire post

And 2nd - Kovalchuk has 14 goals - 4 on the powerplay.  Eriksson has 11 - and as many even strenght goals as Kovalchuk.

So the so and so hits the net, wins the game story is a cool one, but Kovalchuk is radically underperforming - and blaming that on Desjardins is....lame

Up until Nov. 6th (Willie's 1st game behind the bench), Kovalchuk's stat line: 14GP, 5G, 9A, 14Pts.

After that point: 46GP, 9G, 8A, 17Pts.

 

He definitely has some defensive deficiencies. But he hasn't fit Willie's structure at all. On the one hand, ideally he'd keep his mouth shut and just do his best. On the other, he probably feels betrayed by LA - he was wooed in free agency, and signed there, only to have everything turn on its head a month into the season. If I were him, I wouldn't want to play dump-and-chase on the 4th line either.

[oldnews]

28 minutes ago, D-Money said:

Up until Nov. 6th (Willie's 1st game behind the bench), Kovalchuk's stat line: 14GP, 5G, 9A, 14Pts.

After that point: 46GP, 9G, 8A, 17Pts.

 

He definitely has some defensive deficiencies. But he hasn't fit Willie's structure at all. On the one hand, ideally he'd keep his mouth shut and just do his best. On the other, he probably feels betrayed by LA - he was wooed in free agency, and signed there, only to have everything turn on its head a month into the season. If I were him, I wouldn't want to play dump-and-chase on the 4th line either. 

If it were anywhere near that simple - ie that he'd gone from ppg to the 4th line, then I might sympathise more.

 

The problem however is that it's a real spin off from reality - as I pointed out - he's been at 2:46 minutes/game of powerplay ice time for the entire season - and has 4 goals.

And again - his ice-time for the entire season is 16::25 / game.  Nothing resembling the story you buy and sell.

 

So the poor Kovalchuk - who got demoted to 4th line dump and chase after 14 games at a ppg - is a bullcrap narrative wadr.

Those 46 games you refer to - the vast majority of that time was spent playing with Carter, Toffoli, Kopitar and Kempe.

 Respin the facts to suit the story if you will - but the 4th line of Wagner Amadio Kovalchuk that he currently finds himself on doesn't even register at 1.4% of his line combinations this season.  

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/players/ilya-kovalchuk

And what's also patently obvious is how misleading the 6 minutes a game storyline is - complete b.s.

He's spent 16 and a half minutes with 4 of L.A.'s other top 8 scorers this year, period.

The soft soap isn't selling here.  The idea taht he has only 9 goals and 17 pts in the last 46 g - as if because of Willie - is such weak stuff.

 

The one part I agree with - it was an odd signing for a team heading into a like-it-or-not transition.

Who knows what the 'story' they sold him was - or whether he simply saw the 6.25 and took it - I'm not buying the poor Kovalchuk was wooed and 'betrayed' narrative - that kind of stuff is just apologist.

He's played 14 and 1/2 minutes over his last 10 games - in the 10 games before that he averaged over 17 minutes....

 

Kovalchuk was -10 in the 10 games before Desjardins took over.  That's relevent when you're eating some of - if not the most opportune minutes on that team.

It took another 8 games - at -8 before Desjardins gave him that 1 game this season where he played 6 minutes.

Seriously - just look at the game log and save the oversimplified and misleading one line summary.

[SilentSam]

15 minutes ago, oldnews said:

First of all - woosh.  You've whiffed on virtually the entire post

And 2nd - Kovalchuk has 14 goals - 4 on the powerplay.  Eriksson has 11 - and as many even strenght goals as Kovalchuk.

So the so and so hits the net, wins the game story is a cool one, but Kovalchuk is radically underperforming - and blaming that on Desjardins is....lame

Kovalchuck has 4 more POINTS than Eriksson in almost 20 GAMES LESS than Eriksson..   

I just think Kovalchuck would be utilized better..  IF he had a Coach who wanted to use him successfully.

Deployment was an issue with WD that was spoken of in many Game Day Threads as the action was happening, even leaving broadcasters questioning.

Why is it “Lame” to find blame with a Coach?  Are they untouchable or something?  

Why is there an “air” of entitlement for someone who make the descions, that his descions are ok?

Im grateful that the Canucks fired him when they did, but it could have been a half season sooner.

.. w o o s h.

 It’s the Kings that are whiffing,.  And it’s not Kovalchucks fault, he’s not playing.

31 points in 60 games.

A possible 44 point season out of a 35yr old.    Who sits .5ppg?

What are the Coaches expectations?  

What is the Coach trying to accomplish?           But I digress,  he’s the Coach,  I’m not allowed to question that.

 

 

[oldnews]

2 minutes ago, SilentSam said:

Kovalchuck has 4 more POINTS than Eriksson in almost 20 GAMES LESS than Eriksson..   

I just think Kovalchuck would be utilized better..  IF he had a Coach who wanted to use him successfully.

Deployment was an issue with WD that was spoken of in many Game Day Threads as the action was happening, even leaving broadcasters questioning.

Why is it “Lame” to find blame with a Coach?  Are they untouchable or something?  

Why is there an “air” of entitlement for someone who make the descions, that his descions are ok?

Im grateful that the Canucks fired him when they did, but it could have been a half season sooner.

.. w o o s h.

 It’s the Kings that are whiffing,.  And it’s not Kovalchucks fault, he’s not playing.

31 points in 60 games.

A possible 44 point season out of a 35yr old.    Who sits .5ppg?

What are the Coaches expectations?  

What is the Coach trying to accomplish?           But I digress,  he’s the Coach,  I’m not allowed to question that.

 

 

Give it a rest.   If you're not willing to look at the facts, you're wasting our time wadr.

He's second to Kopitar in powerplay ice time among forwards, third on the Kings (Poughty the only other guy with more).

He's gotten higher ozone starts than every regular on the Kings roster with the exception of Mike Amadio - a 22 yr old who has played 40 games.

Blah blah, poor Kovalchuk's "deployment" is the issue.

 

It's one thing to poopoo statistics as if they're entirely meaningless.

It's another to have no idea how the player has actually been deployed - ignore that reality - and come in here with stories about not being utilized or given opportunities to produce.

That's complete b.s.

 

[oldnews]

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392014.html

 

 

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000392015.html

 

 

For you folks that perceive WD to be such a buzzkill to top 6 forwards' production - do a fair comparison to what he inherited.

And for people that are dumbfounded as to why Megna played 12 minutes a game under Desjardins in 16/17....have a look at that year's roster, it's depth, and the injuries to forwards like Baertschi, Hansen, Burrows, Granlund, Dorsett.....

What an affront to Boucher, Drew Shore (an emergency signing out of Europe), Chaput, Cramarossa, Skille, Zalewski, Labate, Grenier, Rendulic....who played less than Megna.

I'm sure all us armchair quarterbacks could have made more of that group.

 

I was in favour of promoting Green - but aside from complaining about Vey's 13 minutes a night in 14/15 - a season he had 24 pts as a rookie, or the following year (41 games, 15 pts, 15 minutes a night....the obsession with Desjardins probably actually exceeds his own alleged thing for Vey.