coastal.view Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: Didn't Colorado do that, then the caps signed orpik or how ever you spell his name...for dirty cheap..... but is the risk worth it? Myers could go sign some where else, you want to take that risk? discuss it with him first we will give you the entire value of your current contract right now if you sign a 5 year contract at league minimum at the same time who would say no to that ? if he says no offer that deal to bo he is next on the list for longish term higher contract values *i appreciate i have overstated how a compliance buyout actually works (payment is made over time etc.) i'm just trying to make a point Edited March 15, 2020 by coastal.view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: discuss it with him first we will give you the entire value of your current contract right now if you sign a 5 year contract at league minimum at the same time who would say no to that ? if he says no offer that deal to bo he is next on the list for longish term higher contract values I like what your saying but will the NHL be okay with that? They even investigated the caps and Colorado iirc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: I like what your saying but will the NHL be okay with that? They even investigated the caps and Colorado iirc. this entire thing will be contrived anyway this is not a normal business model but merely exploiting loopholes due to virus intervention there is no intention to do things from a business as usual perspective just a desire to get everyone "out of a pickle" situation Edited March 15, 2020 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 1 minute ago, coastal.view said: this entire thing will be contrived anyway this is not a normal business model but merely exploiting loopholes due to virus intervention there is no intention to do things from a business as usual perspective just a desire to get everyone out of a pickle situation No I agree but Gary might not like that and your forgetting Canucks don't get to use loopholes ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RowdyCanuck said: No I agree but Gary might not like that and your forgetting Canucks don't get to use loopholes ha even if you believe the nucks get special negative treatment by the nhl this would apply to every team not only the nucks every team needs help particularly the laffs maybe they can "buy out" marner and matthews on the same basis they would save even more (21 million of cap per season) Edited March 15, 2020 by coastal.view Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 Just now, coastal.view said: even if you believe the nucks get special negative treatment by the nhl this would apply to every team not only the nucks every team needs help particularly the laffs maybe they can "buy out" marner and matthews on the same basis they would save even more (21 million of cap per season) Well if the laffs do it and it works then I'm all for it. I just don't want another 3 million against the cap cause Canucks can't use the loopholes other teams us. Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coastal.view Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, RowdyCanuck said: Well if the laffs do it and it works then I'm all for it. I just don't want another 3 million against the cap cause Canucks can't use the loopholes other teams us. Ha except i suspect the laff players will take the buyout and then negotiate full value replacement contracts that is kinda how their players and management seem to operate Edited March 15, 2020 by coastal.view 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 4 hours ago, RowdyCanuck said: Okay alf who replaces Myers ? his a top four D , that can play in all areas.....edler and Myers make a good two way pairing and Myers would work with OJ or Rathbone in theory also. So having Myers and the type D prospects we have benefit each other...... Tree is better, and will cost 1/3 against the cap. Rafferty replaces Stecher for less than 1/2 the cost. OJ will be up a ready too, as will Bone. Our D is too old, soft, and Slow. We are too easy to play against. Edler, Hughes, and Tanev I would keep. Other spots are for Tree, Rafferty, Bone, and OJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted March 15, 2020 Share Posted March 15, 2020 11 minutes ago, Alflives said: Tree is better, and will cost 1/3 against the cap. Rafferty replaces Stecher for less than 1/2 the cost. OJ will be up a ready too, as will Bone. Our D is too old, soft, and Slow. We are too easy to play against. Edler, Hughes, and Tanev I would keep. Other spots are for Tree, Rafferty, Bone, and OJ. Okay tree I like big and mean but a leftie and Myers is a rightie and raff is the only right hand prospect that could take Myers spot but Myers brings more edge....also raff would have to be sheltered at the start, Myers doesn't. myers balances guys like OJ and bone and their play style work together so why move Myers? You want Barrie that bad? Also Hughes needs a D partner that will make hits not take hits..someone that will make more room for Hughes to act like thuggy bear not huggy bear.....he needs someone that will hand the battles with the big guys in front of the net.....josh Manson type alf im with you I don't like soft players but when we have a pairing of Hughes and tanev , that screams soft.....Myers isn't the problem...edler and Myers have shown pretty good together . Hughes Manson edler myers OJ/bone/tree/Benn and right side if we let tanev and stech walk we have raff.....which his smart play could work with tree or Benn two guys that play with an edge but raff is not going to add toughness.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Tower102 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 23 hours ago, Alflives said: I’m guessing the cap has to adjust, because of lost revenue. I’m hopeful the league gives each team a couple compliance buyouts to help get them through the difficult time. Buying out Loui and Myers saves us 12 million off the cap. Okay fair speculation, I read your comment as one that had the news secured. I thought maybe a missed an announcement. The only news I've heard is the 84-88 projection... which is for sure up in the air now due to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Tower102 said: Okay fair speculation, I read your comment as one that had the news secured. I thought maybe a missed an announcement. The only news I've heard is the 84-88 projection... which is for sure up in the air now due to this. I think 84 to 88 has to do with the NHLPA escalator. The guys say they want escrow (currently about 15%) to come down, if not disappear. So the cap was going to be at most 84, and likely stay there for a couple seasons to get escrow down to zero. The league, with the NHLPA has made the cap fake upwardly by 15%. Now there’s this loss of revenue from the shutdown. Cap might stay at 84, but there will be a 40% escrow next season. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 How about that MIller trade (this is the Miller trade thread is it not?) 17th in the NHL in scoring. With EP at 20th it gives the Canucks 2 x top 20 scorers - while also having a top 5 scoring defenseman. 2nd in the NHL in faceoff % - Couturier, Miller, Beagle - gives the Canucks 2 of the league's top 3 faceoff guys. Leads the team in hits - 2nd to Tyler Motte among forwards in hits/game, hits per 60 - 3rd to Edler and Motte in hits/game. Shows up every night - every shift - with the kind of driving energy that every team needs, particularly in it's top 6. In other words, he's been a principal, driving force in what has the team in a playoff spot at the point of this stoppage - so not only has he lived up to and exceeded expectations (even of those of us that loved this deal, and certainly blown this absurd thread to pieces) - but critically, he has also been instrumental in reducing the cost of his acquisition. As things stand, the results the team has achieved to this point would dictate that they move their non-lottery, late round 1st in the first year of a conditional deal - in other words, they'd have closed the contingency/cost on this deal - at a longshot 1st, and put to rest any (always overblown) anxiety that lurks at the surface of this market, always seemingly desperate to express itself (in whatever irrational over-reaction it can). Ermagerd - all our feerzz has ben reellizzzed - Bennig just overpaidz for a cap dumpppzzz! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 1 hour ago, oldnews said: How about that MIller trade (this is the Miller trade thread is it not?) 17th in the NHL in scoring. With EP at 20th it gives the Canucks 2 x top 20 scorers - while also having a top 5 scoring defenseman. 2nd in the NHL in faceoff % - Couturier, Miller, Beagle - gives the Canucks 2 of the league's top 3 faceoff guys. Leads the team in hits - 2nd to Tyler Motte among forwards in hits/game, hits per 60 - 3rd to Edler and Motte in hits/game. Shows up every night - every shift - with the kind of driving energy that every team needs, particularly in it's top 6. In other words, he's been a principal, driving force in what has the team in a playoff spot at the point of this stoppage - so not only has he lived up to and exceeded expectations (even of those of us that loved this deal, and certainly blown this absurd thread to pieces) - but critically, he has also been instrumental in reducing the cost of his acquisition. As things stand, the results the team has achieved to this point would dictate that they move their non-lottery, late round 1st in the first year of a conditional deal - in other words, they'd have closed the contingency/cost on this deal - at a longshot 1st, and put to rest any (always overblown) anxiety that lurks at the surface of this market, always seemingly desperate to express itself (in whatever irrational over-reaction it can). Ermagerd - all our feerzz has ben reellizzzed - Bennig just overpaidz for a cap dumpppzzz! Bo is 3rd in the league for face off wins, and has a pretty good % at 57.3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptKirk888 Posted March 16, 2020 Share Posted March 16, 2020 ^ Yes, I know, Miller thread. Yup, JB did good on that one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 2 hours ago, CaptKirk888 said: ^ Yes, I know, Miller thread. Yup, JB did good on that one. I'd take it one step further. JB has done good on everything for this team. Thank you lord Benning. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 Hey... everyone... seriously... as crazy as it sounds... Miller is a member of the Canucks! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyCanuck Posted March 17, 2020 Share Posted March 17, 2020 21 hours ago, oldnews said: How about that MIller trade (this is the Miller trade thread is it not?) 17th in the NHL in scoring. With EP at 20th it gives the Canucks 2 x top 20 scorers - while also having a top 5 scoring defenseman. 2nd in the NHL in faceoff % - Couturier, Miller, Beagle - gives the Canucks 2 of the league's top 3 faceoff guys. Leads the team in hits - 2nd to Tyler Motte among forwards in hits/game, hits per 60 - 3rd to Edler and Motte in hits/game. Shows up every night - every shift - with the kind of driving energy that every team needs, particularly in it's top 6. In other words, he's been a principal, driving force in what has the team in a playoff spot at the point of this stoppage - so not only has he lived up to and exceeded expectations (even of those of us that loved this deal, and certainly blown this absurd thread to pieces) - but critically, he has also been instrumental in reducing the cost of his acquisition. As things stand, the results the team has achieved to this point would dictate that they move their non-lottery, late round 1st in the first year of a conditional deal - in other words, they'd have closed the contingency/cost on this deal - at a longshot 1st, and put to rest any (always overblown) anxiety that lurks at the surface of this market, always seemingly desperate to express itself (in whatever irrational over-reaction it can). Ermagerd - all our feerzz has ben reellizzzed - Bennig just overpaidz for a cap dumpppzzz! Not to mention his leadership. When I heard JT has been taking Jake under his wing , that made the deal so much more valuable for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1994_fan Posted March 18, 2020 Share Posted March 18, 2020 long time not posting... so don't light me up with gasoline for not using the right format SO as of today the nucks are not in the play off, does that mean we don't give TB our conditional 1st round pick? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted March 19, 2020 Share Posted March 19, 2020 8 hours ago, 1994_fan said: long time not posting... so don't light me up with gasoline for not using the right format SO as of today the nucks are not in the play off, does that mean we don't give TB our conditional 1st round pick? they are 3rd in the Pacific - it's determined by pts% Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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