SilentSam Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 13 minutes ago, gerry35 said: I was going to say something similar to this, Lou and Hunter would have built a much better team but they chose wrong in Dubas and Shanahan and his "genius" plan Harry Potter and Dumbledorf, The Road to Genius . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 27 minutes ago, Phat Fingers said: The next best puck mover in the org is likely OJ. Agreed, we don't need another Quinn Hughes, we have Quinn Hughes. I agree - and even without him / until he is ready - they have the makings of a blueline that can relatively contribute some production from the blueline with the players they have at this stage.. I too am pretty optimistic about OJ - as well as Woo - as well as the prospect of Tryamkin returning. I also lke the 'secondary' group of Sautner, Brisebois....Utunen, Rathbone. They aren't necessarily going to need to overhaul their blueline in the future - they will need a young player here and there to step up - which I think they can reasonably expect to come out of that group. That is what will enable them to moderate cap expenditures to rising core players - if they can maintain a stream (they don't need 'stockpiles' - they need consistency/stability). There was some concern that they focused on forward skill in this draft - not many BPA D opportunities, but they had focused there in a few previous drafts, and will be fine if they rebalance in the future imo. Edited July 13, 2019 by oldnews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J-P Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, gerry35 said: I agree on all counts. Dubas and the Leafs will probably look quite bad if they trade Nylander. I know they haven't really promised not to, but the (smart) comments by Nylander will make a lot of people think twice about dealing with the Leafs in the future if he's traded. https://www.tsn.ca/dubas-to-nylander-as-long-as-i-m-here-you-won-t-be-traded-1.1220400 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gerry35 Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Just now, J-P said: Dubas and the Leafs will probably look quite bad if they trade Nylander. I know they haven't really promised not to, but the (smart) comments by Nylander will make a lot of people think twice about dealing with the Leafs in the future if he's traded. https://www.tsn.ca/dubas-to-nylander-as-long-as-i-m-here-you-won-t-be-traded-1.1220400 Sweet, they can continue flaming out in the playoffs then which is priceless lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 31 minutes ago, PhillipBlunt said: Leafs fans crying in the workplace. Why am I not surprised at all? I really wasn't sure how to react. It was - really disturbing to see on a number of levels. A real meltdown. A good person. But do you comfort an adult (and I don't mean 20 something - this is a 40+ yr old I'm talking about) - for crying over hockey? I could not - enable - that. Or do you slap them and tell them to pull themselves together and gain some perspective - it's a fn hockey game. Again, not my place to 'judge' and not my place to intervene where I don't have answers - but that's how deep some of their disappointment and frustration runs. There is no enjoyment / schadenfreude in that. I enjoy some good online trash talk and it's our birthright here to taunt, poke, whatever the Leafs - particularly when their heads inflate so prematurely - but on a certain level, I actually want to see them get better - get it right - 'play the right way' - of course , after they've 'built the right way'. Still see no real evidence of that - and I'd say the same thing if there were a Dubas managing the Canucks. Edited July 13, 2019 by oldnews 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post PhillipBlunt Posted July 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, oldnews said: I really wasn't sure how to react. It was - really disturbing to see on a number of levels. A real meltdown. A good person. But do you comfort an adult (and I don't mean 20 something - this is a 40+ yr old I'm talking about) - for crying over hockey? I could not - enable - that. Or do you slap them and tell them to pull themselves together and gain some perspective - it's a fn hockey game. Again, not my place to 'judge' and not my place to intervene where I don't have answers - but that's how deep some of their disappointment and frustration runs. There is no enjoyment / schadenfreude in that. I enjoy some good online trash talk and it's our birthright here to taunt, poke, whatever the Leafs - particularly when their heads inflate so prematurely - but on a certain level, I actually want to see them get better - get it right - 'play the right way' - of course , after they've 'built the right way'. Still see no real evidence of that - and I'd say the same thing if there were a Dubas managing the Canucks. I mean, I was upset after the Canucks lost game 7 in 2011, but about ten minutes after the buzzer rang out and the Bruins took over the ice with the Cup, I was cooking burgers and talking music with friends. That was until the sh!+show began downtown. Then it was disbelief in history repeating itself. I love this team and enjoy watching them and following them, but as you say, in the end, it’s just a game. A great game, but just a game. Edited July 13, 2019 by PhillipBlunt 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny in Vancouver Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 45 minutes ago, Silver Ghost said: Except a lot of teams dont want Nylander at 7 mil I bet. I'm very far from being a Leafs fan, but don't put any money on that bet. The numbers he put up the seasons prior to that contract are pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Just now, vinny_in_vancouver said: I'm very far from being a Leafs fan, but don't put any money on that bet. The numbers he put up the seasons prior to that contract are pretty good. But 7 mil per? For a complementary largely perimeter player who disappears when the heat is on? What teams besides the leafs would consider that a core piece to pay a premium contract to? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Silver Ghost said: But 7 mil per? For a complementary largely perimeter player who disappears when the heat is on? What teams besides the leafs would consider that a core piece to pay a premium contract to? ? maybe the Coil? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 2 minutes ago, oldnews said: ? maybe the Coil? Point taken lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Silver Ghost said: Point taken lol just trying to find a market for Nylander. Edmonon - unbelievable - with a one-two punch like McDavid and Draisaitl (221 pts - add RNH with 69 if you will) - 'can't find' winger scoring Chiasson lead the rest - with 38pts. Kassian was their 5th leading forward scorer (14 minutes, 48% ozone starts, no powerplay ice-time....) How do you possibly achieve that? They've drafted Yakupov 1st overall, Puljujaarvi 4th, Yamamoto, Benson, 6 million to Lucic - and they can't find a top 6 winger - not even in free agency, with McDavid linemate minutes to dangle. That takes talent. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: just trying to find a market for Nylander. Edmonon - unbelievable - with a one-two punch like McDavid and Draisaitl (221 pts - add RNH with 69 if you will) - 'can't find' winger scoring Chiasson lead the rest - with 38pts. Kassian was their 5th leading forward scorer (14 minutes, 48% ozone starts, no powerplay ice-time....) How do you possibly achieve that? They've drafted Yakupov 1st overall, Puljujaarvi 4th, Yamamoto, Benson, 6 million to Lucic - and they can't find a top 6 winger - not even in free agency, with McDavid linemate minutes to dangle. That takes talent. I mean, it is Edmonton. So having to live there all winter drives many away lol. But it is hard to look at the Oilers the last decade or more and wonder how they "accomplished" this level of dumpster fire without actually consciously trying to. I may be crazy but I feel that the hiring of Tippett as coach may have given some decent offensive UFA options a reason to pause on signing there. Edited July 13, 2019 by Silver Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, oldnews said: just trying to find a market for Nylander. Edmonon - unbelievable - with a one-two punch like McDavid and Draisaitl (221 pts - add RNH with 69 if you will) - 'can't find' winger scoring Chiasson lead the rest - with 38pts. Kassian was their 5th leading forward scorer (14 minutes, 48% ozone starts, no powerplay ice-time....) How do you possibly achieve that? They've drafted Yakupov 1st overall, Puljujaarvi 4th, Yamamoto, Benson, 6 million to Lucic - and they can't find a top 6 winger - not even in free agency, with McDavid linemate minutes to dangle. That takes talent. ... or a dead city... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Me_ Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, Silver Ghost said: I mean, it is Edmonton. So having to live there all winter drives many away lol. But it is hard to look at the Oilers the last decade or more and wonder how they "accomplished" this level of dumpster fire without actually consciously trying to. I blame Southern expansion and warm weather ice tech. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Just now, Me_ said: I blame Southern expansion and warm weather ice tech. I blame those Messier stalker phone calls. No one wants to receive one. Betcha can't make just one. Right, he couldn't make just one. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silver Ghost Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, oldnews said: just trying to find a market for Nylander. Edmonon - unbelievable - with a one-two punch like McDavid and Draisaitl (221 pts - add RNH with 69 if you will) - 'can't find' winger scoring Chiasson lead the rest - with 38pts. Kassian was their 5th leading forward scorer (14 minutes, 48% ozone starts, no powerplay ice-time....) How do you possibly achieve that? They've drafted Yakupov 1st overall, Puljujaarvi 4th, Yamamoto, Benson, 6 million to Lucic - and they can't find a top 6 winger - not even in free agency, with McDavid linemate minutes to dangle. That takes talent. Nylander might actually be a good fit intheir top 6. Oh, nvm, Chiarelli &^@#ed their cap situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 hour ago, Phat Fingers said: The next best puck mover in the org is likely OJ. Agreed, we don't need another Quinn Hughes, we have Quinn Hughes. We have some pretty nice pieces coming. Woo looks like a gamer, mobile with size, toughness, and a good shot. Rathbone is a fantastic skater with a big shot, and is showing to be physical as well. Add Tryamkin (or not) to that mix and in 2-3 years we may have an outstanding D corps. Hughes - Woo Juolevi - Tryamkin Rathbone - Myers/Stecher/Fantenberg Puck-movers, skaters, shooters, shut-down, and size/toughness in every pairing. Plus the fill-ins and yet unknowns in Rafferty, Teves, Sautner, Brisebois, Utanen, Elliot, Chatfield, etc. A good number may never make it, but it helps explain the lack of dmen taken in this past draft. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Odd. Posted July 13, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2019 (edited) So did this page break the record of how fast it got to 100 pages? Only 30 pages less than the Myers thread yet thread was made 3 days ago. Talk about hype. I'm hyped for this season to be honest. Most improved team in our division. I would argue we are up there in our conference in terms of most improved this off-season. Edited July 13, 2019 by Odd. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldnews Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 3 minutes ago, Silver Ghost said: Nylander might actually be a good fit intheir top 6. Oh, nvm, Chiarelli &^@#ed their cap situation. they have 3.4 million cap space with no one to sign (JP is on the out). They could conceivably take some Nylander cap. The problem being - what Toronto needs - Edmonton can't afford to give up. Ie Larsson = what the Leafs need. A Larsson type take - for Nylander - epic gain for the Fleas imo. But is Edmonton stupid enough to folllow their nose and revert to the mere shiny forward model? I doubt it. Interesting that Carolina managed to extract a 1st out of Toronto in the Marleau dump, while Toronto was unable for get a D out of Carolina in the process. Ie requiring that deal expand to include a Nylander/D type swap? The Leafs just seem to deadset intent on keeping all their AM, MM, WNs. They shoulda dealt one long ago - and they still should. If they can't get a D for Nylander, trade Matthews and get out ahead of something for once. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaudette Celly Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 1 minute ago, oldnews said: The Leafs just seem to deadset intent on keeping all their AM, MM, WNs. They shoulda dealt one long ago - and they still should. If they can't get a D for Nylander, trade Matthews and get out ahead of something for once. Their latest moves testify they are doubling down. They are prepared to live or die with the skill-alone model. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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