Sean Avery says former Kings coach Marc Crawford kicked him during a game

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6 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

why should there be a time limit on you telling your life experience? 

Because Avery could have said something a long time ago just like Sopel did but he did not. He waited until everyone was talking about Peters and Babcock before he jumped in. He is not doing this to raise awareness nor talk about how it really affected him. He is doing it because he needs to be relevant.

[MoneypuckOverlord]

https://www.thechronicleherald.ca/sports/hockey/patrick-johnston-add-harold-druken-to-the-crowd-decrying-marc-crawfords-coaching-past-383853/

 

Harold Druken: “I wouldn’t let Marc Crawford coach my dog!!"

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The Vancouver Canucks are keeping mum about Marc Crawford’s situation, but there’s no doubt that the current anti-coach bullying movement taking hold in hockey has arrived on the shores of False Creek.

And as the story that’s consuming the histories of multiple NHL head coaches slowly advances, another player is speaking out.

Former Canuck Harold Druken posted on Facebook Tuesday that he was pleased his former coach was being investigated by the Chicago Blackhawks over his past behaviour.

“I wouldn’t let Marc Crawford coach my dog!! Loving this investigation. Karma is a lovely thing,” he said in a post.

Druken, 40, played for the Canucks between 1999 and 2003, when Crawford was head coach of the Canucks.

He spoke later on Newfoundland TV , calling Crawford “hands down the worst human being I’ve ever met.”

He said Crawford was verbally and physically abusive, also made derogatory comments about Druken’s background.

“Being called a dumb Newfie or a stupid Newfie or he’s going to send me back on the boats in Newfoundland, that’s just as offensive to me as it is being called something that’s derogatory,” he told NTV. He said the coach would kick and hit him and would also verbally berate him in front of team management.

“He was absolutely ridiculous.”

 

 

[the grinder]

10 hours ago, gurn said:

B.S.

bs ya right   if a teacher can legally hit you  it not child abuse in the eyes of the law , is it now .   

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, the grinder said:

bs ya right   if a teacher can legally hit you  it not child abuse in the eyes of the law , is it now .   

 

You said there was no such thing as child abuse back then and I called B.S.; disciplining a child is not child abuse.

 

 

Edited December 6, 2019 by gurn

[JM_]

13 hours ago, smokes said:

Because Avery could have said something a long time ago just like Sopel did but he did not. He waited until everyone was talking about Peters and Babcock before he jumped in. He is not doing this to raise awareness nor talk about how it really affected him. He is doing it because he needs to be relevant.

thats a bg assumption on your part. There really hasn't been an open conversation in our society like this before now, so maybe thats why he chose to speak up. You're making up reasons for him which I doubt you have any actual insight into. 

 

you also didn't really answer the question, why should anyone have a time limit about talking about their lives? 

[the grinder]

11 hours ago, gurn said:

 

You said there was no such thing as child abuse back then and I called B.S.; disciplining a child is not child abuse.

 

 

it is today,  if a teacher today used a ruler or a strap  to discipline a kid  , that teacher would be charged with child abuse   right ??    so back then that was not consider child abuse ,    same thing for parents   no one would say anything if you spank a kid in a store back in the day because you were just discipling a child,  you do that today  your going to jail . 

[Gurn]

1 hour ago, the grinder said:

it is today,  if a teacher today used a ruler or a strap  to discipline a kid  , that teacher would be charged with child abuse   right ??    so back then that was not consider child abuse ,    same thing for parents   no one would say anything if you spank a kid in a store back in the day because you were just discipling a child,  you do that today  your going to jail . 

 

 You said there was no child abuse back then, I am saying there was child abuse back then that had nothing to do with schools.

 

[ChuckNORRIS4Cup]

Sucks Crawford is in this position because of Avery, one of the biggest pests to ever play the game, the same guy who was arrested for shoving a police officer..... The same guy who's been accused of calling black people monkeys on the ice to get under a players skin...... I'm sure coaching Avery was one of the most frustrating things to do as a coach, probably every coach's worse nightmare actually. And I'm sure because of the way Avery played and frustrated every coach by not playing the way they wanted made coaches want to kick him . Obviously Crawford is in the wrong you can't be kicking players, I'm sure a coach patting a player on the back was just as painful for Avery though......

 

Avery you were only good for one thing and one thing ever, pulling that move on Brodeur the rest of your career is a joke.

 

 

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23 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats a bg assumption on your part. There really hasn't been an open conversation in our society like this before now, so maybe thats why he chose to speak up. You're making up reasons for him which I doubt you have any actual insight into. 

 

you also didn't really answer the question, why should anyone have a time limit about talking about their lives? 

Knowing the type of player Avery was and the things he has said himself in interviews, you can kinda get a sense of the kind of person he is. It's ok for him to refer to women as sloppy seconds but can't take a kick in the butt from a coach? I find that highly unlikely. 

 

There isn't really a time limit on when people can talk about thier lives but why are we so selective on what to judge. As I have said on another topic. As an example, I have stated that I have been called racist names when I was working in Metrotown by a manager in a fastfood restaurant. Why is no one running up to help me call that guy out?

[JM_]

47 minutes ago, smokes said:

Knowing the type of player Avery was and the things he has said himself in interviews, you can kinda get a sense of the kind of person he is. It's ok for him to refer to women as sloppy seconds but can't take a kick in the butt from a coach? I find that highly unlikely. 

 

There isn't really a time limit on when people can talk about thier lives but why are we so selective on what to judge. As I have said on another topic. As an example, I have stated that I have been called racist names when I was working in Metrotown by a manager in a fastfood restaurant. Why is no one running up to help me call that guy out?

thats awful. Im sure a lot of people would like to help you call out that idiot. 

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48 minutes ago, Jimmy McGill said:

thats awful. Im sure a lot of people would like to help you call out that idiot. 

To me it seems like there is a double standard. If you are somewhat famous, known, or working for the entertainment industry then the social justice mob will stand behind you. If you are and average joe, people could care less. The day when the average person can call out people and have the mob back them up then I might be more inclined to be less suspicious of the motives.

[JM_]

32 minutes ago, smokes said:

To me it seems like there is a double standard. If you are somewhat famous, known, or working for the entertainment industry then the social justice mob will stand behind you. If you are and average joe, people could care less. The day when the average person can call out people and have the mob back them up then I might be more inclined to be less suspicious of the motives.

not sure I agree. E.g., That incident a few weeks back with that racist woman in the drug store was called out in the media and I think universally in the discussions here on CDC about it. 

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1 minute ago, Jimmy McGill said:

not sure I agree. E.g., That incident a few weeks back with that racist woman in the drug store was called out in the media and I think universally in the discussions here on CDC about it. 

When you look at the protest it is obvious that the ones that we hear about are but a tiny sample of the problems that everyday people now to go through. For every story we hear about there are millions we don't and that's what bothers me about this. The outrage is selective, especially when there is media concerned. If the story can sell clicks then they will do everything they can to shove it down your throats. If you going to expose one group then expose all groups. Getting kicked in the butt by your coach, how many boss from hell stories have we heard in our normal lives that social justice fails to fight for?

[JM_]

31 minutes ago, smokes said:

When you look at the protest it is obvious that the ones that we hear about are but a tiny sample of the problems that everyday people now to go through. For every story we hear about there are millions we don't and that's what bothers me about this. The outrage is selective, especially when there is media concerned. If the story can sell clicks then they will do everything they can to shove it down your throats. If you going to expose one group then expose all groups. Getting kicked in the butt by your coach, how many boss from hell stories have we heard in our normal lives that social justice fails to fight for?

I think you're looking at using the wrong tool for the job. Social media is a large scale thing, not sure how it helps the day to day little guy most of the time. 

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5 hours ago, Jimmy McGill said:

I think you're looking at using the wrong tool for the job. Social media is a large scale thing, not sure how it helps the day to day little guy most of the time. 

And that's why social justice is ineffective. If the persecute the average jerk then why should coaches?

[-Vintage Canuck-]

 

[RonMexico]

12 minutes ago, -Vintage Canuck- said:

 

 

Cooler heads prevailed. There is hope.

[mll]

The Chicago Blackhawks and assistant coach Marc Crawford have released the following statements:

https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/release-statements-from-blackhawks-assistant-coach-marc-crawford/c-312668254

 

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CHICAGO BLACKHAWKS:

The Chicago Blackhawks, and independent legal counsel, conducted a thorough review of assistant coach Marc Crawford in response to allegations of misconduct in previous coaching positions. During this process, we engaged with many of Marc's former players, colleagues, and executive management.

We do not condone his previous behavior. Through our review, we confirmed that Marc proactively sought professional counseling to work to improve and become a better communicator, person and coach. We learned that Marc began counseling in 2010 and he has continued therapy on a regular basis since. We believe that Marc has learned from his past actions and has committed to striving to reform himself and evolve personally and professionally over the last decade. We have experienced no incidents during Marc's coaching tenure with the Chicago Blackhawks.

We have determined that Marc will remain suspended from team activities until January 2, 2020, at which time he will resume his assistant coaching duties, subject to his continued compliance with his contractual obligations and team expectations. In addition, he will continue with his counseling moving forward. We will have no further comment.

 

ASSISTANT COACH MARC CRAWFORD:

Thank you for the opportunity to share my comments. It was important for me to respect the process required by the Chicago Blackhawks and the ongoing, important discussions being had by players and the National Hockey League. This is why I am sharing my thoughts at this time.

Recently, allegations have resurfaced about my conduct earlier in my coaching career. Players like Sean Avery, Harold Druken, Patrick O'Sullivan and Brent Sopel have had the strength to publicly come forward and I am deeply sorry for hurting them. I offer my sincere apologies for my past behavior.

I got into coaching to help people, and to think that my actions in any way caused harm to even one player fills me with tremendous regret and disappointment in myself. I used unacceptable language and conduct toward players in hopes of motivating them, and, sometimes went too far. As I deeply regret this behavior, I have worked hard over the last decade to improve both myself and my coaching style.

I have made sincere efforts to address my inappropriate conduct with the individuals involved as well as the team at large. I have regularly engaged in counseling over the last decade where I have faced how traumatic my behavior was towards others. I learned new ways of expressing and managing my emotions. I take full responsibility for my actions. Moving forward, I will continue to improve myself, to listen to those that I may have hurt, and learn from their experiences. My goal is to approach all players, past and present, with empathy and understanding. My hope, as a coach and a person, is to create environments of dignity and respect.

I sincerely want to help make our game better for everyone. I want to encourage anyone who may have been impacted by me to reach out so that we may continue this dialogue. There is an important discussion happening in hockey right now. I am and will continue to be a part of the solution moving forward. These conversations will set the course for future generations. I commit to being sensitive to the process, and most of all, listening to individual perspectives and feelings.

 

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30 minutes ago, mll said:

The Chicago Blackhawks and assistant coach Marc Crawford have released the following statements:

https://www.nhl.com/blackhawks/news/release-statements-from-blackhawks-assistant-coach-marc-crawford/c-312668254

 

 

Oh ya, Crawford wrote this.  

[Tortorella's Rant]

Apology tour continues. It won't ever end because there is always going to be things you look back on and don't think too highly of. Including yourself.