Alflives Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 hour ago, captaincowbasher said: This might sound crazy, but JB has irons in on PK, but the deal hinges on NJ taking LE... It would look something like this, Stecher, Demko, Lind, and LE for PK. This would bolster the Canucks defence, and put them in a position to make a serious run for the playoffs. Believe it or not the dollars actually work. PK has more negative value than Loui. No team will trade for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aliboy Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I hope that JB would know if PK is done, likely not, and he has tried to acquire him twice now, as recently as last summer. I think PK would give us a bit of swagger and there is room for his kind of swagger here. I think he'd be a good fit and we already know what JB thinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grandmaster Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 PK has a lot of heart. Unfortunately his ability to be a premier defenceman has dropped significantly. He is currently being over paid by at least double what he should be and has many years to go to the end of that contract. I wanted him here a year ago but am sure glad now that he never came. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwijibo Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, grandmaster said: PK has a lot of heart. Unfortunately his ability to be a premier defenceman has dropped significantly. He is currently being over paid by at least double what he should be and has many years to go to the end of that contract. I wanted him here a year ago but am sure glad now that he never came. He has 2 more seasons after this one. I’d hardly term that “many years to go” lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 And all this time, I thought “load management” was something that the kiddies were taught at Neverland Ranch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Provost Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 I have to laugh at folks being so sure Subban is done. He had 31 points in 63 games last year and 59 points the year before.... one point below his career high. He also plays over 20 minutes a game. He may not be worth $9 million, but he is far from done. If LE went the other way and the money was evened out (The only way it would be possible)... he would be worth a pretty big sweetener. They would be giving up a top 4D and be getting a 3rd or 4th liner in return. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) When they acquired PK, Martin Brodeur talked about how they wanted to bring in a player with personality. Brodeur was working on the marketing side. NJD has to compete with the Rangers to bring in fans. Subban has a lot of celebrities on his address list as well as his fiancée Lindsey Vonn. That was probably part of the appeal for ownership. He still plays over 20 minutes a night. Nashville actually missed Subban according to several observers. They mentioned how he brought so much energy to the bench and was always trying to get players fired up and not give up. Nashville has had trouble finding that compete this season. Not sure NJD wants to trade him for a downgrade marketing wise unless it makes them better hockey wise. Cap dump for cap dump doesn’t improve their team so seems more likely that they keep the guy that can at least bring in celebrities. He might also rebound. Edited February 19, 2020 by mll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patel Bure Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) 5 hours ago, Provost said: I have to laugh at folks being so sure Subban is done. He had 31 points in 63 games last year and 59 points the year before.... one point below his career high. He also plays over 20 minutes a game. He may not be worth $9 million, but he is far from done. If LE went the other way and the money was evened out (The only way it would be possible)... he would be worth a pretty big sweetener. They would be giving up a top 4D and be getting a 3rd or 4th liner in return. Completely agree. My only concern as it relates to Subban, is our long term ability to re-up Pettersson and Hughes. If we’re trading for Subban, then we’d need to be trading guys that Edited February 19, 2020 by DarkIndianRises Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicklas Bo Hunter Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 (edited) I mean NJD would have to retain salary. at least get PK down to 7 mil. We are already a little tight on cap. we also still need a tough forward. I would do something like this: To NJD: Louis Eriksson Troy Stecher Kole Lind 2021 3rd 2021 conditional 5th (if cancuk win a playoff round) To Van: PK Subban (2 Mil retained) Miles Wood this is too big of a deal though it would never happen. rather just go for Wood. Edited February 19, 2020 by Nicklas Bo Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shift-4 Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 don't understand what all the fuss is about this guy people need to wake up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 Hold on here everyone... Honestly there is something that can work here. Put aside all preconceived bias. To NJD Eriksson Troy Stecher Demko 2021 3rd To VAN Subban 30% retained Miles Wood This deal happens for a number of reason. Moving Demko solves the expansion possible goalie issue. Adding Wood solves some of the toughness issue Swapping Eriksson for Subban solves 2 teams unmoveable contract issues, while at the same time filling voids As much as I like stecher, I still feel Subban is an upgrade, especially in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Hold on here everyone... Honestly there is something that can work here. Put aside all preconceived bias. To NJD Eriksson Troy Stecher Demko 2021 3rd To VAN Subban 30% retained Miles Wood This deal happens for a number of reason. Moving Demko solves the expansion possible goalie issue. Adding Wood solves some of the toughness issue Swapping Eriksson for Subban solves 2 teams unmoveable contract issues, while at the same time filling voids As much as I like stecher, I still feel Subban is an upgrade, especially in the playoffs. So to dump Loui we sweeten by taking a player who is done in PK, and his gross contract. We add to that Demko, and a third. Then we get Wood, who is a perennial Green Jacket candidate. And we add Stecher! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 9 minutes ago, Alflives said: So to dump Loui we sweeten by taking a player who is done in PK, and his gross contract. We add to that Demko, and a third. Then we get Wood, who is a perennial Green Jacket candidate. And we add Stecher! I feel like you didn't even read the benefits. Yes to dump Loui we have to take on PK. That's how that works. If you ask me, PK is a better player than Loui will be for 2 more years. So if those 2 cancel each other out then great. If PK can increase his effort by 10% then that's a win. Then we are providing Demko and Stecher in exchange for Wood. Salaries cancel out. wood is more valuable than Stecher, by far, which is why Demko and a 3rd goes along too. Yes an overpayment, but Wood is signed for 2 more years at a good price, so that's the justification for the overpayment. Keep in mind Stecher holds less value than you think. At the end of the day, can you honestly say the team is worse with Stecher, Eriksson and Demko out, and PK, Wood in? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, JayDangles said: I feel like you didn't even read the benefits. Yes to dump Loui we have to take on PK. That's how that works. If you ask me, PK is a better player than Loui will be for 2 more years. So if those 2 cancel each other out then great. If PK can increase his effort by 10% then that's a win. Then we are providing Demko and Stecher in exchange for Wood. Salaries cancel out. wood is more valuable than Stecher, by far, which is why Demko and a 3rd goes along too. Yes an overpayment, but Wood is signed for 2 more years at a good price, so that's the justification for the overpayment. Keep in mind Stecher holds less value than you think. At the end of the day, can you honestly say the team is worse with Stecher, Eriksson and Demko out, and PK, Wood in? Stecher holds the same value as Wood. Demko is worth a first. We are taking on PK, who can’t play anymore. LE for PK (30% retained) is all that’s needed. Their guy who can’t play fir our guy who can’t play. Adding Demko is of an asset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JayDangles Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 1 minute ago, Alflives said: Stecher holds the same value as Wood. Demko is worth a first. We are taking on PK, who can’t play anymore. LE for PK (30% retained) is all that’s needed. Their guy who can’t play fir our guy who can’t play. Adding Demko is of an asset. Ok fair. I can agree that while their contracts are both terrible, LE's does give a team an out this summer if he retires. This makes his contract less sh*tty. So, I think the real target is Wood, and I don't think he is equal to Stecher, 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Ok fair. I can agree that while their contracts are both terrible, LE's does give a team an out this summer if he retires. This makes his contract less sh*tty. So, I think the real target is Wood, and I don't think he is equal to Stecher, Wood is always a big minus player, and he’s not a shut down guy. Where is the value in him? He’s like another Schaller, who just coast us a second round pick to dump. Personally, I wouldn’t trade Stecher for a guy like Wood. JB might though, so we will see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenhodgejr Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 He always seems to be clowning around. Not really a Travis Green type player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 52 minutes ago, JayDangles said: Hold on here everyone... Honestly there is something that can work here. Put aside all preconceived bias. To NJD Eriksson Troy Stecher Demko 2021 3rd To VAN Subban 30% retained Miles Wood This deal happens for a number of reason. Moving Demko solves the expansion possible goalie issue. Adding Wood solves some of the toughness issue Swapping Eriksson for Subban solves 2 teams unmoveable contract issues, while at the same time filling voids As much as I like stecher, I still feel Subban is an upgrade, especially in the playoffs. After trading Greene Fitzgerald was talking about how they have big pieces already in place - he named Hischier, Hughes and goalie Blackwood. They are more likely looking for a veteran backup to support him and not someone to take his job. They already have Butcher as undersized D. They can’t just remove size from their lineup and replace them with undersized players. They need also some physicality and pushback in their lineup. Subban has far greater marketing appeal than Eriksson and can still rebound. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, mll said: After trading Greene Fitzgerald was talking about how they have big pieces already in place - he named Hischier, Hughes and goalie Blackwood. They are more likely looking for a veteran backup to support him and not someone to take his job. They already have Butcher as undersized D. They can’t just remove size from their lineup and replace them with undersized players. They need also some physicality and pushback in their lineup. Subban has far greater marketing appeal than Eriksson and can still rebound. If the Devils want to get size into their lineup they shouldn’t be building around two Smurfette centres, now should they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted February 19, 2020 Share Posted February 19, 2020 16 minutes ago, Alflives said: If the Devils want to get size into their lineup they shouldn’t be building around two Smurfette centres, now should they? They are though so they need to have size elsewhere in their lineup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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