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if by Buf and Ariz you mean Botterill and Chakya, sure. I'll also throw Chia in the list from GMs at his time. Maybe the shorter question is name the GMs you would take Benning ahead of? Is that list more than 10? I think his biggest downfall was being unable to stand up to the owner and commit to a full rebuild and letting Weisbrod have too much control. This in turn played into his strategic missteps. I think Benning could have been a better GM had he been able to decide on his own vision instead of rushing to playoffs, but we'll never know.

Phrryic victory but was at the game so I'll take it! Very exciting to see in person. Podz is a completely different player from the beginning of the year . Look forward to seeing him grow his game. If he keeps this up it'll soften the blow of missing out on zegras

Those Buffalo and Detroit missed points are definitely haunting us.

Wonder what is going on with Garland. One of the things made that Arizona trade a little more palatable was the compartmentalization of the 9th overall pick for Garland, but at this rate I'd rather have Dylan Guenther in our system.

Agree on every point, just not on your spacing/formatting choice

If a GM can't replenish a prospect pool or construct a team with depth in 8 years, they don't deserve that position. The depth is so bad because Benning was impatient and traded away his prospects for help now, like Forsling, McCann. Both are playing in top 2 and top 6 roles in their orgs respectively, had Benning just stayed still, we would be better off. Gillis did screw the pooch hard, but he left Benning in a better position for a rebuild than what Benning left this current group. He set up the Utica Farm team that didn't exist before, even Prospect Pool and Salary cap wise it was better. At least when Gillis was gone Horvat and Markstrom were in the system, there was cap flexibility and tradeable contracts (that Benning chose not to move). This team is in purgatory/mediocrity, and can't easily shift to a rebuild or retool as well because of just how tight we are against the cap with immoveable contracts.

It's really hard to enjoy how well he's playing this year considering that effort is going into another season with no playoffs, which was expressly what the gamble of taking him on was supposed to bring. It's even harder to enjoy it considering we have to pray that his level of play does not significantly decline for the next 5 full seasons after this. Which neatly spans over the prime of this core. The reason why we're in this mess is because there has been zero thought put into the long term salary cap implications of constructing this team. If anything we need to focus on this more. I'd say a solid two thirds of the league has a better prospect pool than us right now, because we've been the one consistently trading away our 1sts and 2nds for one and done runs.

The contender status will depend on how well OEL ages IMO. We can't afford $7 mil in dead cap weighing us down the same way Loui did. His contract basically cost us the window of opportunity when our young guns were still on their ELCs.

How many nails in the coffin is that now the last few weeks? Haha

I don't think i'll ever get over the fact that JB opened the wallet for this guy and left Tanev hanging till Day 1 of free agency.

In terms of toughness, It also feels like the Bertuzzi/Moore incident traumatized the culture of the franchise, we've been turning the other cheek ever since. I can't imagine Marchand pulling off his antics on our older teams.

Looks like the price tag is round the 8x8.5mil range https://twitter.com/DhaliwalSports/status/1508508920012103680?s=20&t=odJjbGsmFU4C7JzhEXrgVg

This just seems odd to me, first thing you do after someone leaves is reach out to a media spokesman to say how $&!#ty your ex-teammate was?

We only had two top 5 picks (cursed lottery) and it was Juolevi and Petey. Rebuild = bottoming out and accumulatiing of draft picks and prospects at a higher rate than league average (the default 7 picks each team gets every year) Some fans are equating turnover with rebuild. Yes those guys are gone, you can stand pat, do nothing, acquire young talent by virtue of the seven picks the other 31 teams get award with. But are you building up your pool at a rate faster than the rest of the league? This team has rarely accumulated picks in the top 100 of the draft, consistently spent to the cap and acquired aging vets on a premium. Rebuilding teams don't do that. Look at Montreal's trade deadline where they acquired two 1sts. Have we ever had a draft where we had more than one 1st round save for 2014 when JB took over? If that was a rebuild. It was the purgatory of rebuilds. This team right now as is constructed is definitely at a weird point. It's got a solid young core, but weighed down by a lot of peripheral contracts. A rebuild would be awful, I'm leaning retool, but any retool is saddled with the OEL cap hit (8% of your current team cap) for the next 5 years which will be really limit on how much moves we can make around this core. Not an easy problem to solve.

Here's how this TDL looks in the context of the Benning era. 2015: Canucks acquire Sven Baertschi from the Calgary Flames for a 2nd round draft pick (Rasmus Andersson) Canucks acquire Cory Conacher from the New York Islanders for Dustin Jeffrey 2016: Canucks acquire Philip Larsen from the Edmonton Oilers for a 5th round draft pick Canucks acquire Markus Granlund from the Calgary Flames for Hunter Shinkaruk 2017: Canucks acquire Nikolay Goldobin and a 4th round draft pick from the San Jose Sharks for Jannik Hansen Canucks acquire Jonathan Dahlen from the Ottawa Senators for Alex Burrows 2018: Canucks acquire Jussi Jokinen and Tyler Motte from the Columbus Blue Jackets for Thomas Vanek Canucks acquire Brendan Leipsic from the Vegas Golden Knights for Philip Holm 2019: Canucks trade Erik Gudbranson to the Pittsburgh Penguins for Tanner Pearson Canucks trade Jonathan Dahlen to the Sharks for Linus Karlsson Canucks trade Sam Gagner to the Oilers for Ryan Spooner Canucks trade a 7th-round pick to the New York Rangers for Marek Mazanec 2020: Canucks trade Tyler Madden, Tim Schaller, and a 2nd-round pick to the Los Angeles Kings for Tyler Toffoli 2021: Canucks Trade Jorden Benn for a 6th round pick Canucks Trade 4th round pick for Madison Bowey and a 5th round pick Canucks Trade Adam Gaudette for Matthew Highmore 2022: Canucks trade Travis Hamonic for a 3rd round pick Canucks trade 3rd round pick for Travis Dermott Canucks trade Tyler Motte for a 4th

I wish he was what Lack was

If he doesn't take like 5.5 I don't see us keeping him. JR speaks about wanting a faster team and while I love Brock he doesn't fit that mold. Hope we can keep him

You're leaving out some nuance here. It's not that simple. The Market price was too sky high for a Miller trade given what Hagel went for. And all the competing teams are cap crunched, this team isn't constructed right now to be able to take cap back in a trade, even for an overpayment on the other team's part. And whose fault was that? I've seen arguments over the years on this bard where Benning should get a multi year grace period because of how Gillis cratered the prospect pool and left him with nothing. Extend a similar grace period to this management team to navigate the cap situation they inherited. The team right now is paying for Benning's moves to spend to the cap in multiple consecutive seasons with contracts you can't move easily. Again, what do you expect in three months? They're still tied up by the mistakes of the previous era. If we had traded Miller for a package of a 1st and prospect, I guarantee this board will be up in arms about how we were ripped off. You don't move someone of his caliber for less than your asking price. And the Hagel trade completely distorted the market. Both can be true. Sure, Miller's value is sky high, and it means jack all if no one is willing to pay. Don't sell him for the sake of selling him. Besides, you believe in this core right? This is more time to evaluate which part of the core you keep, or whether you want to trade any of them away. Miller can very well stay on.

Leafs were high enough on this guy to turn down a Weegar trade with Florida a year and a half ago to keep him. I'll take those odds for a 3rd rounder.

I wonder if we have the option to eat the cap hit from his bonus this year rather then next year.

Nvm someone posted haha, (DELETE)

Unless you were looking to move a core player for peanuts (the highest paid traded forward was Toffoli at $4.25 mil) now wasn't the time for a big splash. Hold firm and don't trade someone out for the sake of having some action happen. We'll see what free agency brings. Remember too that Pearson and Myer's full NTCs expire July 1st (7 team and 10 team list respectively)

C+ for me. Was hoping we could recoup a 2nd round pick but I liked the Dermott pick up. But I went into this year okay with no moves as well. so meh. At least the moves are trending in the right direction, and there's no need for mgmt to make a judgement on the core just yet. I'm just happy to see that it's us gaining capspace and a younger player through a transaction rather than the other way around, and we haven't let Motter walk for nothing. Wait in the offseason to gauge because we still need to answer the question, can we keep Boeser or JT Miller long term? then pivot from there. Trades can still happen at the draft. Though no ideal ofc

Gillis had the guts to rebuild, trading Schneider for a 1st round pick to draft Horvat, publicly saying he wanted to rebuild and he got fired as a result. He got Markstrom and Tanev as well, whom Benning/Green rode the coattails off of until they left and exposed the lack of vision around the team. Sure, I'm willing to turn on JR after year 3. But let's wait for him to get to Year 3 first, not month 3.

We're never going to see eye to eye on a lot of things Dazzle, but from the guy who told all the Benning critics to be patient because we were still in a rebuild/retool (or year 3-5 on some timelines) and everything is going according to plan I'd say you need to extend that patience a little further. Truth be told Benning has put the regime in a tight cap situation that limits our moves. We can't take on contracts in exchange for assets for a pure rebuild, but we also can't extract full value from guys like motter because the team isn't bad enough to warrant trading him when we were on a win streak. The time to evaluate is still here, it's been three months since Benning was fired and 2-3 months since we reassembled the front office. What are you expecting? For Miller, it's a reality of the market that the price we would have to sell him at to make it worth it for us is too high for the buyers. The Hagel trade killed any hopes of a Miller trade IMO. Let's see how we look next year. Plus we have the option to see if we want to extend or trade Miller next year. Motte was going to walk anyway because he is going to ask for $2 mil+, we can't afford that. Unless you are willing to give up on Boeser or Miller. Thanks to Benning's $3.5 mil in dead cap last year from his buyouts. If Benning was here, Motte would be gone for nothing rather than a 4th. The reason why we have to make these decisions is because of the cap situation Benning created to squeak a year of playoffs out, rather than a team set up for years to be successful. Just because it's JR footing the bill and picking up the can JB ikicked down the road doesn't excuse Benning. Also, the team that 'isn't going anywhere for a while' is the same team you and other folks were 100% on board with under JB. It's still the same core last I checked.