butters Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 3 hours ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said: I feel like there's no way he comes back as the same old sweet, honorable John we know and love. I feel like something has to give, and he'll come back damaged or deformed in some way. Maybe evil or as a villain? Isn't that what always happens? The hero comes back as a villain to teach you not to mess with black magic. Be careful what you wish for, etc. I loved John but I'm a little disappointed he's back. That's so cliché! Beric Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart (book only character) give a good indication of what to expect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cramarossa Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, butters said: Beric Dondarrion and Lady Stoneheart (book only character) give a good indication of what to expect I haven't read the books... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck001 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) 39 minutes ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said: I haven't read the books... Every time I come back, I'm a bit less. Pieces of you get chipped away. - Beric Dondarrion Beric had been revived 6 times by Thoros of Myr. Edited May 3, 2016 by CaptainCanuck001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
butters Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 41 minutes ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said: I haven't read the books... I don't want to say more just in case they end up using stoneheart in the show. Though she is several seasons late and likely not showing up. google her if you like. Somewhat high strung in life, merciless and vengeful after death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cramarossa Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 36 minutes ago, CaptainCanuck001 said: Every time I come back, I'm a bit less. Pieces of you get chipped away. - Beric Dondarrion Beric had been revived 6 times by Thoros of Myr. 31 minutes ago, butters said: I don't want to say more just in case they end up using stoneheart in the show. Though she is several seasons late and likely not showing up. google her if you like. Somewhat high strung in life, merciless and vengeful after death. Sounds like I'm on the right track then! I guess we'll see. It would be awesome if John took a heel turn. The bad guys in this series are oh-so-good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bassi13 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 5 hours ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said: I loved John but I'm a little disappointed he's back. That's so cliché! Is it really cliche though? How many characters have died in the show, without coming back? Many of them were bigger if not equal to John as well. The surprise was completely ruined shortly after the finale itself last year, but it's not as if reviving someone like this is treading any sort of common ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toews Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 11 minutes ago, g_bassi13 said: Is it really cliche though? How many characters have died in the show, without coming back? Many of them were bigger if not equal to John as well. The surprise was completely ruined shortly after the finale itself last year, but it's not as if reviving someone like this is treading any sort of common ground. Cliffhangers don't work in today's world. People know where the set is, they find out that a character that was supposed to be dead is on the set and its already spoiled. I expect the same thing to happen with Waking Dead's cliffhanger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cramarossa Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 17 minutes ago, g_bassi13 said: Is it really cliche though? How many characters have died in the show, without coming back? Many of them were bigger if not equal to John as well. The surprise was completely ruined shortly after the finale itself last year, but it's not as if reviving someone like this is treading any sort of common ground. Maybe cliche is the wrong word. More like predictable. Even without the post season spoilers, it seemed pretty obvious (at least to me) what was going to happen. As soon as last season's finale ended my bf immediately said "Hopefully Melisandre brings him back with the power of the Lord of Light". I just don't like how easily that type of thing can be called ahead of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g_bassi13 Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said: Maybe cliche is the wrong word. More like predictable. Even without the post season spoilers, it seemed pretty obvious (at least to me) what was going to happen. As soon as last season's finale ended my bf immediately said "Hopefully Melisandre brings him back with the power of the Lord of Light". I just don't like how easily that type of thing can be called ahead of time. Maybe it seemed like a possibility, and everyone was talking about it as soon as it happened, but it's not as if they didn't do the same after every season with the other major characters. At least for people that didn't read the book that is. The speculation was valid, but I don't know that it was flatly predictable. There was a logic to bringing John back, as his story was very big, but it's not like other stories haven't been stopped dead in their tracks with death just because they couldn't be. I think with it being the first time that there was no book material to reference spoilers off of and build predictions off of, it was a different feeling year break. All that said I think their execution itself was pretty weak. The Wall had a pretty decent first episode, with some solid tension and humour between the parties. The resolution in all respects of episode two was very weak. It's been brought up in this thread already, but it's true. From the entrance of the WIldlings, to speaking to Melisandre, to that (pardon the pun) lifeless ritual resurrection scene, it had far less impact than it should have, spoilers or not. Edited May 3, 2016 by g_bassi13 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riffraff Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 As I said earlier. Newb to this show. Have the hbo package and watched season 1 ep1 last night. im in! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tre Mac Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 15 hours ago, ThrustyPrusty89 said: Maybe cliche is the wrong word. More like predictable. Even without the post season spoilers, it seemed pretty obvious (at least to me) what was going to happen. As soon as last season's finale ended my bf immediately said "Hopefully Melisandre brings him back with the power of the Lord of Light". I just don't like how easily that type of thing can be called ahead of time. I was hoping he would be reborn when they burned his body along with his sword like Mel. was describing in her first scene on the show. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canorth Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) nvm Edited May 3, 2016 by Canorth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 9 hours ago, riffraff said: As I said earlier. Newb to this show. Have the hbo package and watched season 1 ep1 last night. im in! Stay off this forum, and internet in general, until you are all caught up. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apples Posted May 3, 2016 Share Posted May 3, 2016 10 minutes ago, Hugor Hill said: Stay off this forum, and internet in general, until you are all caught up. The Internet is dark and full of spoilers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RUPERTKBD Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 On 5/3/2016 at 7:44 PM, ThrustyPrusty89 said: Maybe cliche is the wrong word. More like predictable. Even without the post season spoilers, it seemed pretty obvious (at least to me) what was going to happen. As soon as last season's finale ended my bf immediately said "Hopefully Melisandre brings him back with the power of the Lord of Light". I just don't like how easily that type of thing can be called ahead of time. It became predictable when we found out about Thoros bringing Beric back two seasons ago... Red Mel and Thoros are both clerics for the Lord of Light and Thoros does a lot more drinking than preaching. He basically spelled it out, when we saw him resurrect Beric after the duel with The Hound. He said something to effect of "I didn't expect it to work, but I tried anyway, because he was my friend". When Melisandre said that he shouldn't have that kind of power, he responds "I don't have any power. I ask the Lord of Light for his favor and he responds as he will". When we understand that a priest in name only is able to revive someone, it became almost a foregone conclusion that Jon would be brought back by Mel. I didn't think that they handled it particularly well in this episode, but it was basically the worst kept secret on the planet and has been ever since A Dance With Dragons was released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted May 4, 2016 Share Posted May 4, 2016 On May 3, 2016 at 11:35 AM, Tre Mac said: I was hoping he would be reborn when they burned his body along with his sword like Mel. was describing in her first scene on the show. Yeah I think everyone was thinking that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Western Red Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 On 5/3/2016 at 7:44 PM, ThrustyPrusty89 said: Maybe cliche is the wrong word. More like predictable. Even without the post season spoilers, it seemed pretty obvious (at least to me) what was going to happen. As soon as last season's finale ended my bf immediately said "Hopefully Melisandre brings him back with the power of the Lord of Light". I just don't like how easily that type of thing can be called ahead of time. But the 'how' of it is the real interesting part. I try to avoid the rumors at all costs. Looking forward to a hell of a reveal tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugor Hill Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Good episode. Best one so far this young season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCanuck001 Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 That ToJ tease tho. also it looks like Sansa and Jon will not see each other at Castle Black. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cramarossa Posted May 9, 2016 Share Posted May 9, 2016 Interesting ending. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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