Junkyard Dog Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggins Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'd say having Kassian, Horvat and Corrado (so far) to show for six drafts is relevant today. What about Jensen and Shinkaruk? It's certainly more than was in the cupboard when Nonis was fired. Gillis made some good trades, signings and draft picks and some that didn't work out. Pretty much like every GM. So what's the relevance again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apollo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I hated mg for the luongo fiasco. He really messed up. That being said, the guy is gone now and he did wonders for this franchise. Have a little respect. In his tenure as gm and president he innovated so many new programs and made this club a hot destination not only because it's in the best city, but because it's organization has top of the line facilities and protocols. Linden is carrying that legacy on. Thanks for your years mg. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canucklehead73 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 All you can really say is... IF he won that game 7 in 2011.... everything he did wrong would have been worth it in everyones eyes. no? He made good trades and he made bad trades, worst move he made was the one he made too late, Luongo. Lost Schneider... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 As relevant as the real Ice Cube is today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
24K PureCool Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 MG fallacy includes poor drafting/player development which he did address by overhauling our scouting system, but was a little too late after his many years of poor drafting. Yes, he could have signed better contracts but he was gaming the system which backfired on us (the Luongo Rule). Trade wise he was decent like any other GM except the Luongo fiasco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimberWolf Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I don't care that Gillis is gone but he did restock our youth shelves in a short time.I can't believe anyone can look at Toronto and still pine for Nonis... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Did a better job than Nonuts. Took us to the finals and then restocked the cupboards before he left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nux4lyfe Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I hated mg for the luongo fiasco. He really messed up. That being said, the guy is gone now and he did wonders for this franchise. Have a little respect. In his tenure as gm and president he innovated so many new programs and made this club a hot destination not only because it's in the best city, but because it's organization has top of the line facilities and protocols. Linden is carrying that legacy on. Thanks for your years mg. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badbeatjackpot Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Gillis' worst problem was that he was a very good player agent before becoming a GM and as a result, he was not part of the old boys club and in fact, he was the one on the outside looking in. Another big problem is that he has a big ego. GMs were looking to exact revenge whenever dealing with him and as a result, a hockey trade was very hard to come by, Case in point was his first draft in 2008 when he wanted to trade for Alex Tanguay from Mtl. He supposedly offered up a better package but ultimately, Montreal traded him to the Flames I remember MG griping about how he offered up a better deal and was worried at the time that an unexperienced GM who has a lot of enemies might not have been a good signing by the Aqualinis. Whenever MG made a good deal, he would act too cool for school which pretty much made other GMs looks bad. An example is the Ehrhoff deal. (MG capitalized on a capped out SJ team and poached Ehrhoff for peanuts and then patted his own back) He traded Hodgson and talked about how he padded his stats. Other GMs see things like this and don't want to deal with MG. They dont want to get fleeced on a deal and dont trust him on a "hockey deal" in case they get screwed. As a result, when dealing with MG, they want to deal from a position of strength and ensure that they are on the better end of the deal. Over time, this will not bode well as relations must be kept in a league where you have to constantly work with each other. That in my opinion was MGs greatest downfall. Look at Benning for example, he's already made a few hockey deals and GMs aren't scared to deal with him in fear of looking bad. Moreover, Benning is from the old boys club so he fits right in. That being said, I think MG would have been a great GM if he wasn't in such a handicapped position. Some of the deals he made were pretty great and perhaps if he came in more humble, other GMs might have wanted to work with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunter.S-Kerouac Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 First off when Luo signed that contract it was within the parameters of the league. Then the league changed the rules which I don't see as being legal at all. Furthermore if he had signed him to say a 4 year deal his cap hit would have been in the 8-9 million range........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toni Zamboni Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 i thought the thread title read: Michael Gillis is grossly overweight ooops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalredane Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 i started reading this post and then quickly realized it was originally posted in 2012.....talk about coming back from the dead... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VegasCanuck Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Why are we still talking about GMMG? Just hang him in the closet next to the skeletons of all the other GM's past! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.DirtyDangles Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 GMMG out GM'd again ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 gillis was dead right on trading cody hodgson the guys a bum -22 2 goals 5 assists making 4.25 mill a yr for next 4 yrs as much as kassian isnt scoring right now he makes 2.5 mill less and is alot better as a third liner playing a ok two way game. Some of mikes deals were head scratchers and the luonogo thing was a fail but luo wanted out 3 yrs ago so enjoy florida luo id rather have markstrom who could be a stud and mattias. The best thing that gillis did was not leave the prospects in a state like nonis left it ( tanev, corrado, kassian,jensen, kenins, gaunce, horvat, shinkaruk, fox) are much better than brandon reid and baumgartner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronalds.Kenins41 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I was one of these people who didn't want this guy fired but looking at it now what has he really left us with? Tanev, Corrado and Horvat are the only sure things imo and we had to give up a lot to get Horvat. Shinkaruk, Jensen, Gaunce could become busts. I hope I'm wrong, really want Shinkaruk and Jensen to make it I like their style of play, but their is no guarantee of that. Reason I put Shinkaruk in there was because of his hip injury (remember Hodgson's injury, he was never the same after it, but Shink might be different idk). Benning has a tough job ahead him because Gillis has left little the cupboard empty, but I'm confident in his ability. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Luongo is a good regular season goalie but doesn't have the mental makeup to win when the pressure is at it's highest. Gillis destroyed Luongo by naming him the captain. You can't name a goalie captain especially one with the mental makeup of Luongo. Especially is a city like Vancouver. That move alone probably cost the Canuck's the Cup. All these Gillis hacks giving him credit for the core of team is astoundingly absurd. How do you circle that square? That’s not my favourite MG propaganda though. My favourite is the effusive praise he receives for the intangibles he’s brought to the organization because the hacks can’t find anything tangible he’s done well.. you a homer the reason we lost the cup is 3 of our centers were injured 3 players had surgery after the playoffs kesler was skating on one leg. luo didnt lose the cup injuries and crappy refs did lets see things gillis did that were great, get a elite ppqb erhoff for 2 prospects that never barely played in ahl, got kassian for cody -22 hodgson at 2.5 times the salary, got tamev, fox for free, signed a core to below market value edler hamhuis bieska on open market would be huge price in 2011, got us a ahl farm team, restocked our prospects nonis sure didnt, got a future selke winner in horvat for a goalie thats overrated, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 not sure how shinkaruk is a bust hes 19 playing in the ahl learning the pro game wait til next yr when he lights up ahl and gets called up to bigs some fans are astounding its rare than 18 yr olds come into league as a super star. happens once in a while but 19 playing first yr in ahl is not a bust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuktravella Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I was one of these people who didn't want this guy fired but looking at it now what has he really left us with? Tanev, Corrado and Horvat are the only sure things imo and we had to give up a lot to get Horvat. Shinkaruk, Jensen, Gaunce could become busts. I hope I'm wrong, really want Shinkaruk and Jensen to make it I like their style of play, but their is no guarantee of that. Reason I put Shinkaruk in there was because of his hip injury (remember Hodgson's injury, he was never the same after it, but Shink might be different idk). Benning has a tough job ahead him because Gillis has left little the cupboard empty, but I'm confident in his ability. gillis got us kenins, tanev, kassian, gaunce, corrado in 5th round not to bad actually Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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