oldnews Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Dale Weise has some positives - but he also has his downside: - braincramps, plenty of them. - hands that can't keep up with his feet. - telegraphed tough talking via the media - more than once. - tendency to hold out in contract talks / go to arbitration Reportedly voiced his icetime expectations / disappointment on the weekend, however his hockey intelligence hasn't exactly been blinding, and he hasn't really commanded more than 5 minutes of icetime. Overall, I think the team needs to upgrade those bottom six winger minutes, and Weise was the obvious place to start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOMapleLaughs Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Again, that's not my point - nor your original point. Your point - the one I'm responding to and that you've been arguing this whole time - is that Weise needed to improve his speed. The replies to your point have given evidence that he's already pretty fast, something you haven't been able to refute. Speaking of straight answers, that was a complete non-answer. "Hey, I know you asked a question, but here's another question and I'll avoid answering the one you asked." I figured I wouldn't get a straight answer. Weise does need to improve on his speed in in-game situations. And consistency, including skating consistency. In games. This is what i've been saying all along, because it's true. And all i've been hearing since is 'look at the useless skillz competitionz in set cushy conditionz againzt playerz who don't give a frackz!' The evidence presented has been discredited. Please come up with additional evidence that he's a quick player in game situations. And more importantly, that he can do it consistently. That evidence does not exist. So my original analysis stands. If you want to say that Weise can skate fast player in a cushy, preset and meaningless skills competition with no helmet on, then you're all correct. I've looked and looked and i've seen one play this season in which he skated quickly (for him) up to Quick in order to trip him. In his history as a Canuck there is one highlight in which he looks fast on a goal against St. Louis, but he entered the zone late and just coasts in from the blueline uncovered. If you'd honestly answer the question, you would say, "No, Weise is not the fastest on the team, TOMapleLaughs. You're right. Kesler is faster. Hansen is faster. Burrows is faster. The Sedins are faster. Higgins is faster. Santorelli is faster. Richardson is faster. Kassian is faster. Hamhuis is faster. Tanev is faster. Booth is faster. Dalpe is faster. Bieksa is faster. Schroeder is faster. This is determined from looking at game-to-game, real situations, which are a helluva lot more important than an obviously skewed and meaningless skills competition made to make Weise feel better about his game or some other 'nice' reason. Weise has done nothing as a Canuck other than those competitions to indicate that he's a speedy player, let lone our teams' fastest. Sorry." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tas Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 i guess in your own fantasy world they are but stats/numbers don't lie when you say things like oh he misses the net oh he doesn't score unless you got some sort of stats to back that up then don't bother saying it how about his 4% shooting percentage, 2nd last among dmen with at least 5 goals? brutally inefficient. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peaches5 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 thank god weise is fracking garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Still more words without evidence to back them up. Glad you totally discredited the skills competition as an illusion done with smoke an mirrors to help explain how Weise couldn't have possibly skated fast at any point ever. Why I bother replying to you... Because it's fun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Batmania Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I seem to remember the braintrust also trumpeting that Weise being The Dutch Gretzky against sub-standard competition would somehow transfer on over to the NHL. I guess that will have to happen in Montreal now. I think you remember wrong. The "Dutch Gretzky" thing was just for fun. Hell even shorty made fun of it and he's the biggest Canuck homer of them all. Unless of course you can show me this trumpeting from the brain trust? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herberts Vasiljevs Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 For the doubters.... the recent track record might be considered. Santorelli, Richardson, Stanton.... moneyball home runs. Dalpe has looked like a bona-fide NHL prospect recently and was a steal. Weber has been a serviceable depth blueline signing. Lain has gotten an NHL shot sooner than I expected and looks like he has staying potential. Many of us doubted re-signing Tito but he's been full value. Pelletier and Ferriero have 73 points as the veterans signed for Utica. This deal makes a great deal of sense at a risk that is very easy to accept. Don't waste your breath. Gillis haters won't give him an inch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 have you watched a game? garrison constantly looks lost in all zones. literally his only strength is his shot, and he isn't putting picks in the net this year which effectively makes him useless. I disagree, and will not back it up with stats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Isn't Diaz the guy who made that pass that got Eller obliterated? I don't see why we made this move, we have terrible forward depth and when healthy loads of D depth. We have loads of bread but no sandwich meat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Langdon Algur Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 GREAT TRADE FOR VAN. No more stupid Weise penalties and Diaz is a very good bottum pairing Dman, was a fan of his in Montreal and glad he's a Canuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specter's Vengeance Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I like the fact I'll get to see more Darren Archibald/Kellan Lain/Jordan Schroeder/insert younger player here options. Not that I didn't like Dale Weise, he was a good 4th liner. Playing single digit minutes while having double digit points numbers. Good luck Weise and How ya doin', Diaz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Traded a depth guy who was redundant on this team and didn't really play much of a role, for a depth D-man that can play 20 minutes a night and fill in for our decimated D-core. What's there to complain about exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucks224 Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Good trade now lets trade Elder for some offense which we really need Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smashian Kassian Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Good move for us, Diaz has been a top 4 at times, and is a solid 4/5 when on his game. I like it, and all it took was Weise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K. Chesterton Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I like this trade. We picked up Weise for nothing off waivers and now we get some depth at defence (especially if Edler gets traded, this will be useful). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UFCanuck Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 stats are rarely accurately indicative of play. HAHAHAHAHA Dude shut up. You were just using stats the other day to say Kesler isn't worth what Mike Richards is worth. Just be quiet, your contradictory statements are really making you look dumb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ice orca Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Weise is now the Gallic Gretzky. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 Please don't let Diaz be anything like Gragnani.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vansicle Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 So happy we got anything decent for weise. Diaz is a very solid piece considering who we gave up. This. I'll add that I'm happy to see DW not in a Canucks sweater. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WiDeN Posted February 4, 2014 Share Posted February 4, 2014 I didn't mind Weise, but he is obviously replaceable. Hopefully Diaz can come in and surprise. He is a better 7th D man than Weber, and has more potential to improve. Good trade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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