Baslund Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Seeing the Canadiens beat the Bruins should give hope to the Canucks * They finished 14 th in the east in 2012 * They are the smaller team not known to be physical So the Canadiens are in the conference final after a dissapointing season in 2012. This should be a signal for the Canucks not to panic. It can turn around quickly. Why should we want to get bigger? All big teams are out of the playoffs. Yet the Hawks, Canadiens are in the conference finals and not really physical teams. So here is hoping this is one off year. And the Canucks can play an attractive brand of hockey AND be succesful! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Where's Wellwood Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Seeing the Canadiens beat the Bruins should give hope to the Canucks * They finished 14 th in the east in 2012 * They are the smaller team not known to be physical So the Canadiens are in the conference final after a dissapointing season in 2012. This should be a signal for the Canucks not to panic. It can turn around quickly. Why should we want to get bigger? All big teams are out of the playoffs. Yet the Hawks, Canadiens are in the conference finals and not really physical teams. So here is hoping this is one off year. And the Canucks can play an attractive brand of hockey AND be succesful! The Hawks are by no means small. Just because a team has skill and speed doesn't mean they can't have size in the line up too. The Bruins have their fair share of skill and speed players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 It's gotta be a mix. Even the Bruins have a mix of small players like Marchand and Krug. The biggest lesson for the Canucks is that they have to choose their own identity and not change it because of other teams success. And don't get sucked in by other teams distraction methods. If they wanna build a team based on speed and skill, then go with that. Don't try and "chase a moving target" every off season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angry Goose Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Seeing the Canadiens beat the Bruins should give hope to the Canucks * They finished 14 th in the east in 2012 * They are the smaller team not known to be physical So the Canadiens are in the conference final after a dissapointing season in 2012. This should be a signal for the Canucks not to panic. It can turn around quickly. Why should we want to get bigger? All big teams are out of the playoffs. Yet the Hawks, Canadiens are in the conference finals and not really physical teams. So here is hoping this is one off year. And the Canucks can play an attractive brand of hockey AND be succesful! Bit of a hasty generalization just because the "big" teams are out of the playoff picture....(whatabout LA & ANH?) but that's not really the point why people like me think the Canucks should add size or a more 'heavy' game to their play style. Teams like the Bruins, LA, STL, etc are going to be very competitive teams for a long time. IMO when you add a few top 6 players that have size, speed, skill and toughness like Perry, Kopitar, Brown, etc. it can make things easier for adding skill and speed to your bottom 6 as you don't have to worry so much about toughness or size match ups against other big lines. Canucks have Kassian & Matthais and assuming they can get rid of Booth for a top 6 power forward that brings a heavy game the Canucks won't need huge guys so much in their bottom 6. You can then create a good blend of size/speed/skill throughout the line up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dasein Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 There's nothing to learn. It's actually the league that has finally learned. In 2011, we played with a lot of speed and hard forecheck. In 2011, we played whistle to whistle. In 2011, we let our PP do the talking and relied on getting calls when the other team takes penalties. Except, the refs put the whistles away and let Boston get away with everything and the Stanley Cup. In our building. This time, Montreal did exactly what we did, and the refs made the calls. Marchand was a rookie in 2011. Fast forward 3 seasons, and we saw the refs give penalties to Marchand based on his reputation even when it wasn't a penalty (ie, game 7 goalie interference call when Markov pushed him into Price). When the Bruins tried to engage after the whistle and rough things up like they did in 2011, the refs penalized them in 2014. The Bruins called Vancouver an "arrogant" team who felt entitled to getting calls in 2011. I can't help but look at the Bruins in 2014, complaining and crying after losing game 7 and saying the calls weren't going their way, and see how arrogant they truly became: they acted as if they were entitled to play the way they did and the rules did not apply to them. So for me, watching Montreal beat Boston was bittersweet because that's how I feel it should have been in 2011. That being said, the past is the past. We don't need to take a page out of Montreal's book - they took a page out of ours. I hope the Bruins can learn from this and play hockey, not that thug BS they put out vs VAN in 2011 and MTL in 2014. EDIT: That being said, we can't focus on what other teams are doing and just need to find a new way to compete given our aging core. We have different personnel since 2011 and we have different personnel from Montreal. We need to rejuvenate this team by finding a way to compete that fits our players right now, not copy what other teams who have different personnel with different skillset are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the grinder Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 u need to play team defense ,a good power play, roll 4 lines and need a number one defenseman and take no crap from the big bad bruins or should I say whiny crying bruins haha lucic u sure like being tough crest pulling , muscle showing pitch forking poor sportsman I m glad u got beat ya loser Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honky Cat Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Build around your own strengths...No team could conceivably copy the "Boston Model" because players like Zdeno Chara are a rare breed,also Lucic to some extent...Speed is the ultimate factor,and that is what ultimately defeated the Bruins (although,not decisively..it went to 7 games).....The great Habs teams of the 70's always had the best skaters,nothing's really changed. I hope that the incoming GM and coach have a clear model for what they want the Canucks to be....Since we have the Sedins for a few more years ..Im guessing a good puck possesion team... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
etsen3 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 It's gotta be a mix. Even the Bruins have a mix of small players like Marchand and Krug. The biggest lesson for the Canucks is that they have to choose their own identity and not change it because of other teams success. And don't get sucked in by other teams distraction methods. If they wanna build a team based on speed and skill, then go with that. Don't try and "chase a moving target" every off season. Yes. The Canucks should pick a style and become good at it. The teams that win don't win because they have the right style, they win because they have good players and step up at the right time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merci Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Size or Speed pick both Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 What the Canadians have and the Canucks don't...SPEED. Our team is slow as frack..oh and an elite pmd like Subban. Canucks need some serious pieces before they make it past the 2nd round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Build around your own strengths...No team could conceivably copy the "Boston Model" because players like Zdeno Chara are a rare breed,also Lucic to some extent...Speed is the ultimate factor,and that is what ultimately defeated the Bruins (although,not decisively..it went to 7 games).....The great Habs teams of the 70's always had the best skaters,nothing's really changed. I hope that the incoming GM and coach have a clear model for what they want the Canucks to be....Since we have the Sedins for a few more years ..Im guessing a good puck possesion team... The Bruins really struggled to contain the Habs speed. Speed and a good forecheck are a recipe for success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 I conclude that having the best goalie in the league will get you far in the playoffs. And that referees can take the game out of the players hands and completely ruin any hockey game. I felt like I was watching the 2011 cup finals in reverse last night where Boston was singled out and had no chance to win. It would have been nice to see justice served with the Canucks on the ice, but it was the Habs last night. Good luck in the conference finals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Anaheim and LA are big teams? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 It's gotta be a mix. Even the Bruins have a mix of small players like Marchand and Krug. The biggest lesson for the Canucks is that they have to choose their own identity and not change it because of other teams success. And don't get sucked in by other teams distraction methods. If they wanna build a team based on speed and skill, then go with that. Don't try and "chase a moving target" every off season. How about opportunity driven identity? Get the best players possible available to you. The team then builds an identity based on the strengths of its best players... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeNiro Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 How about opportunity driven identity? Get the best players possible available to you. The team then builds an identity based on the strengths of its best players... It's much easier to create the model first, then acquire the players to mold into that model IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 It's much easier to create the model first, then acquire the players to mold into that model IMO. There is only one model. One model with variations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck Surfer Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 It's much easier to create the model first, then acquire the players to mold into that model IMO. How so? Doesn't that make you predisposed to say pick Ritchie if you wanna follow the Boston model?, Or whatever you want to call your model... Nylander if its Detroit? Look at LA, who's model is changing. A completely stiffling defence crew in their championship year. This year their back end is all puck movers and they let them skate, Muzzin, Martinez, Voynov etc... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jiggs50 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Canucks are on the way to becoming a solid structured team with it's own identity. DO you guys not see it. Look at Kassian, Mathias, Kesler, Horvat, Jensen... All these other guys have speed and size on them. Their not the slow Lucic type or the small Schroeder types... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyking8888 Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 Montreal average speed is much higher than Canucks. The answer is not only we need to get bigger but faster. Forget about all the slow skilled players, useless in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-DLC- Posted May 15, 2014 Share Posted May 15, 2014 There is no magic formula and it will change based on the following: injuries and puck luck; streaks of hot/cold performance; goaltending (has to be "on" and top notch); officiating. So many things - you cannot really "build" a playoff team with any guarantees - there are none. You must put a good line up in place, have depth in that to offset injury or lack of performance, and hope that all cylinders are firing and at the right time. It's going to change and changing to chase it won't work. Put the best players possible on the ice, have them game ready and with the right attitude and see where the chips fall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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