Brick Tamland Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 I'd rather he gets a little turmoil now than having to experience for the first time at the pro level. Guys like Daigle were pampered etc and come out flat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Apparently, the junior team was absolutely garbage, and it really would've set Leon back. I don't know the specifics, but that's just what I heard on the radio. The junior team has been terrible for some players' development in the past. Umm no, that's not even a rumour you're making crap up. The oilers kept Leon because they didn't have any centers to start the season. When they realized they messed up they sent him back to junior. St. Albert was not in a playoff position so they traded Leon to kelowna for some valuable draft picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Umm no, that's not even a rumour you're making crap up. The oilers kept Leon because they didn't have any centers to start the season. When they realized they messed up they sent him back to junior. St. Albert was not in a playoff position so they traded Leon to kelowna for some valuable draft picks. pretty sure unknown is correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Umm no, that's not even a rumour you're making crap up. The oilers kept Leon because they didn't have any centers to start the season. When they realized they messed up they sent him back to junior. St. Albert was not in a playoff position so they traded Leon to kelowna for some valuable draft picks. Do you mean going into a season with RNH, Leon and Arcobello as your top three centres was a mistake? Knock me down with a feather. Oiler domination...yada yada yada Edited February 13, 2015 by theminister 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seven pounds soft Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 pretty sure unknown is correct Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theminister Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 pretty sure unknown is correct P.A. really wasn't that bad. But take away their star #1 centre.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asian player Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Link? http://panow.com/article/494460/raiders-pressured-oilers-deal-draisaitl P.A. really wasn't that bad. But take away their star #1 centre.... I know Morrissey developed pretty nicely in P.A. but putting Draisaitl on a team like the Rockets would be quite a bit better for his development. Nonetheless, scumbag move by MacT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) Umm no, that's not even a rumour you're making crap up. The oilers kept Leon because they didn't have any centers to start the season. When they realized they messed up they sent him back to junior. St. Albert was not in a playoff position so they traded Leon to kelowna for some valuable draft picks. What's my incentive exactly to mislead people on CDC? It was stuff I heard on the radio, and I could provide source, but frankly, I don't want to bother. Feel free not to believe me, if you'd like. Edited February 13, 2015 by unknown33429 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown33429 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 P.A. really wasn't that bad. But take away their star #1 centre.... It's about asset management. If you have a top 5 pick, you want to make sure he is in good hands in junior. If you think it could hurt his development, it might be a good idea to take him away from that situation. It's not so different than bringing a player from Europe to play in Canada, which the Leafs just did with their top pick. Oilers are by no means the paragons of player development, but I can see this from their POV. If a Canucks top pick was in questionable hands, which I'm not sure is the case with Virtanen, I'm hoping we'd do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamJamIam Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Umm no, that's not even a rumour you're making crap up. The oilers kept Leon because they didn't have any centers to start the season. When they realized they messed up they sent him back to junior. St. Albert was not in a playoff position so they traded Leon to kelowna for some valuable draft picks. You think it's called "St Albert". Forgive me if I question your fact checking abilities 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Yea they can technically. Edmonton did it with their rookie. The trick is to take him out of WHL and play him with the Nucks until they are forced to trade him to a better team. Canucks have his rights and can call him up if they want. No they can't. An NHL team cannot call up a junior player until the their junior season is over - including playoffs. The player has to start the season in the NHL in order to be on the big club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 No they can't. An NHL team cannot call up a junior player until the their junior season is over - including playoffs. The player has to start the season in the NHL in order to be on the big club.teams can call up players from Jr's as an emergency call up. Leafs did it with kadri back in the daym Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babych Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 teams can call up players from Jr's as an emergency call up. Leafs did it with kadri back in the daym Fair enough. The point that I was specifically responding to was the fact that the Canucks have no pressure to exert on the Hitmen. The poster that I quoted seemed to indicate that Vancouver could threaten to call up Virtanen in order to force a trade - which I think is not actually the case. I don't believe that the Canucks can invoke an emergency call up in order to exert pressure on a junior club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
73 Percent Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Fair enough. The point that I was specifically responding to was the fact that the Canucks have no pressure to exert on the Hitmen. The poster that I quoted seemed to indicate that Vancouver could threaten to call up Virtanen in order to force a trade - which I think is not actually the case. I don't believe that the Canucks can invoke an emergency call up in order to exert pressure on a junior club.your absolutely right. I kinda jumped in the conversation at your post. I dont even know what would enable you to use an emergency call up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
messier's_elbow Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 What's my incentive exactly to mislead people on CDC? It was stuff I heard on the radio, and I could provide source, but frankly, I don't want to bother. Feel free not to believe me, if you'd like. Nah, your right man. I heard PA's gm talking briefly about the Draisitl fiasco. Id love to see Jake in a better program but this kind of stuff is snakey and gives you a bad rep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avelanch Posted February 13, 2015 Author Share Posted February 13, 2015 Umm no, that's not even a rumour you're making crap up. The oilers kept Leon because they didn't have any centers to start the season. When they realized they messed up they sent him back to junior. St. Albert was not in a playoff position so they traded Leon to kelowna for some valuable draft picks. Prince Albert.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoneypuckOverlord Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 Apparently, the junior team was absolutely garbage, and it really would've set Leon back. I don't know the specifics, but that's just what I heard on the radio. The junior team has been terrible for some players' development in the past. well that's ironic. since Leon had 107 points on that very same bad team, did they seriously think he will develop better in Edmonton of all places? what a joke, Edmonton is the sh!thole when it comes to developing prospects did they actually think they will do a better job, omg lol lets not forget Edmonton also didn't want to release him for the world juniors, what stupid clowns run that team, unreal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elvis15 Posted February 13, 2015 Share Posted February 13, 2015 (edited) You will lose an year of ELC, but if I recall correctly, there is a different game limit for losing an year of RFA. It is a risk, but like I said, if the situation is bad enough, you can do it and Edmonton did it with Leon. The junior team eventually pulled the trigger and traded him to Kelowna, so Edmonton sent him down again. At the 10th game played the ELC kicks in regardless of if he's sent back and at the 40th game played it puts them one year closer to UFA status. The Oilers had already passed the 10 game ELC mark and used the available time they had left to see what he could do. I believe they sent him down after 37 games played. I think the Oilers had a hand in helping along a trade at the junior level for him, but wouldn't put it as strong-arming them. I don't really know though, but since the Oilers didn't even let Draisaitl go to the WJHC (which wouldn't have affected their ability to bring him back to the NHL if they wanted to) it was pretty clear they were keeping him up for more reasons than just that they didn't like Prince Albert's team. your absolutely right. I kinda jumped in the conversation at your post. I dont even know what would enable you to use an emergency call up. Emergency call ups are only available if both the NHL team and the AHL farm team are at risk of going below the minimum 18 man roster. If the NHL team needed a player and calling up an AHL'er would put the farm team below the 18, then they have recourse to recall a junior player. I believe that's only during the period of cover needed though, not for the rest of the season if they play well enough, but I'm not completely sure on that part. Edited February 13, 2015 by elvis15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Here's hoping Virtanen makes the Canucks roster next year. Not a fan of how he is being handled in Calgary. Sounds like Willie and Benning are fans of his game too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Outsiders Posted February 14, 2015 Share Posted February 14, 2015 Here's hoping Virtanen makes the Canucks roster next year. Not a fan of how he is being handled in Calgary. Sounds like Willie and Benning are fans of his game too. Benning yes, he has to sell Virtanen as a great player ( which he is!) WILLIE im not sure. Virtanen doesnt bring defensive game like Horvat does. It will be interesting, but if benning wants Virtanen on the team, he'll tell Willie so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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