Sean Monahan Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 10 minutes ago, UticaHockey said: If you listen to the audio link that I posted above the dangers of promoting a young goalie that is still developing too soon to a weak NHL team is that they will alter their playing style because of the barrage of high quality scoring chances they face each night. Instaed of working of the fundamentals that will build the foundation that the young goalie will work from the rest of their career bad habits will creep in as they try to do anything to keep the puck out of the net. There is so little to gain from exposing a young goaltender that is still working on fundamentals to a team destined for a lottery pick and so much to lose. Devan Dubnyk comes to mind. Took him relative eons and three more teams to figure his game out. MAF might be another one- he's developed into a good goalie, but was he limited by early exposure on a bad team? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckledraggin Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 24 minutes ago, UticaHockey said: If you listen to the audio link that I posted above the dangers of promoting a young goalie that is still developing too soon to a weak NHL team is that they will alter their playing style because of the barrage of high quality scoring chances they face each night. Instaed of working of the fundamentals that will build the foundation that the young goalie will work from the rest of their career bad habits will creep in as they try to do anything to keep the puck out of the net. There is so little to gain from exposing a young goaltender that is still working on fundamentals to a team destined for a lottery pick and so much to lose. I'm just saying that for this particular player, I wouldn't worry about his confidence. You do bring up an interesting point about the technical side of his game being compromised, but you've watched him way more than I have... Doesn't he already seem like the type of goalie that you're worried he might become? I haven't seen too many goalies who do the splits as much as he does to try to cover the post on backdoor plays, and he's damn good at it. His bread and butter is his athleticism and his ability to make unorthodox saves. He will need to shore up his fundamentals and technical side of his game, but I would tailor the coaching aspects to his style and not try to turn him into a different type of goalie. There are risks in that as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shazzam Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 I wouldn't bring up Demko. Let him develop in Utica. Our goaltending has been weak but so has our defense, which is probably even worse. It's easy to put the blame on goaltending. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UticaHockey Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 35 minutes ago, canuckledraggin said: I'm just saying that for this particular player, I wouldn't worry about his confidence. You do bring up an interesting point about the technical side of his game being compromised, but you've watched him way more than I have... Doesn't he already seem like the type of goalie that you're worried he might become? I haven't seen too many goalies who do the splits as much as he does to try to cover the post on backdoor plays, and he's damn good at it. His bread and butter is his athleticism and his ability to make unorthodox saves. He will need to shore up his fundamentals and technical side of his game, but I would tailor the coaching aspects to his style and not try to turn him into a different type of goalie. There are risks in that as well. On the technical side the biggest weakness that Demko needs to work on is his rebound control which has been bad lately. He is giving up way too many fat juicy weak side rebounds and has been bailed out by his teammates in a number of games and not bailed out in others. The other weakness is high shots glove side. He has a tendency to go down early and drop the glove while doing so. He was very bad at this last year and continues to improve but it is still a weakness that NHL shooters would exploit. Demko is a very competitive athlete and puts pressure on himself to win which is exactly what you want in a goalie. But the external pressure to win in Utica is nothing compared to what it would be in Vancouver. The Utica media is basically an extension of the Comets PR team and the toughest question he will receive is has he tried the Chicken Riggies yet or what does he think of Utica Greens. The Vancouver is a whole different animal where the more clicks they generate means job security and the more negative they are the more clicks they generate. Dealing with them while trying to still develop as a young goalie is not a good idea. Demko is only a year and a half into his pro career and just a half year into being a starter in the minors. He still has technical flaws that he is working on. If he was being brought up to a top level team in the NHL that limits quality scoring chances then he would be being brought into an environment to be set up for success. Bringing him to the Canucks right now is setting him up for failure. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 With goalie injuries, we don’t need to worry about this. Marky will probably miss some time and we can have Demko up then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ruilin96 Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 By the time that the team is clear out of playoffs contention, wouldn't mind to see him called up to start a game and see how he fares at the NHL level. We still have both goalies signed through next season, would still like to see Demko take some more time to develop and polish his skill at the AHL level before coming up to play in the NHL full time. By the 2019-2020 season I see him splitting the net 50/50 with Marky and be a full time NHL starter at 2020-2021. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob_Zepp Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 7 hours ago, Sean Monahan said: Devan Dubnyk comes to mind. Took him relative eons and three more teams to figure his game out. MAF might be another one- he's developed into a good goalie, but was he limited by early exposure on a bad team? History actually doesn't agree with you. Most elite goaltenders had the opportunity early in their careers to get shelled for a season or two. Sure it is easier to ease into a role for a team near the peak of its cycle but that is actually quite rare as typically that peak coincides with having an established elite number one goalie. Most of the truly stellar number ones over the past generation or so started on teams not at/near their peak and developed along with their team. Matt Murray, and some others, are notable exceptions. However, for every Matt Murray there are a bunch of Jonathan Quicks and the others I noted above (first NHL season action, three games and 0.855 SV%). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mll Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 (edited) 8 hours ago, Sean Monahan said: Devan Dubnyk comes to mind. Took him relative eons and three more teams to figure his game out. MAF might be another one- he's developed into a good goalie, but was he limited by early exposure on a bad team? Dubnyk took ages because he was being too stubborn - his words. He was not willing to accept advice early in his career. He gave very candid interviews about that in Minnesota. After being demoted to the AHL he decided to rethink his attitude. So when he went to Arizona he decided that he would really listen. He was posting better numbers than Smith before being traded to Minnesota. Edited December 25, 2017 by mll 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolboarder Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 I brought it up that Demko should be given a look by January if our goaltending situation remains an issue that befalls us. Most of the goals allowed were weak goals, or even leaky that demoralize the team. Defence has been okay except leaving us high and dry at times, but is not the problematic because it can be fixed. Example: Detroit game, we were tied 2-2 then Hutton were overcommitted to the puck and allowed a turnover and that led to a scoring chance late in the 3rd. Just a few examples but it's not a problematic. I think that Demko will not be like Markstrom, or even Nilsson issues with letting in leaky goals like that. I would like Demko to get a few NHL games in before the year is out and prepares him for a #1 starter job next season. 5 to 10 NHL games is ideal for the preparation against a weak opponents then have Demkos being groomed for a starting job with a strong training camp. Just have him papered down at the deadlines so that he continues to develop in AHL level after a few games for the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aGENT Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 Demko can come up with injuries until next TDL when we move Nilsson before he goes UFA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boudrias Posted December 25, 2017 Share Posted December 25, 2017 14 hours ago, coolboarder said: I brought it up that Demko should be given a look by January if our goaltending situation remains an issue that befalls us. Most of the goals allowed were weak goals, or even leaky that demoralize the team. Defence has been okay except leaving us high and dry at times, but is not the problematic because it can be fixed. Example: Detroit game, we were tied 2-2 then Hutton were overcommitted to the puck and allowed a turnover and that led to a scoring chance late in the 3rd. Just a few examples but it's not a problematic. I think that Demko will not be like Markstrom, or even Nilsson issues with letting in leaky goals like that. I would like Demko to get a few NHL games in before the year is out and prepares him for a #1 starter job next season. 5 to 10 NHL games is ideal for the preparation against a weak opponents then have Demkos being groomed for a starting job with a strong training camp. Just have him papered down at the deadlines so that he continues to develop in AHL level after a few games for the playoffs. There is no need to bring Demko up. Next year he should get NHL games. This year it is about getting his team to Calder competition. If the Canucks were further along in their time line I might think differently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 On 12/27/2017 at 11:51 PM, AlwaysACanuckFan said: To be honest, he was really lucky there that the forward didn't lift the puck. He juked him out nicely, but didn't finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyCuddles Posted January 2, 2018 Share Posted January 2, 2018 4 hours ago, VancouverHabitant said: To be honest, he was really lucky there that the forward didn't lift the puck. He juked him out nicely, but didn't finish. Yeah I imagine on the forehand more NHL players will get that top cheese. Still a great save. Demko is a beauty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HorvatToBaertschi Posted January 4, 2018 Share Posted January 4, 2018 Reid Boucher and Thatcher Demko Named to AHL All-Star Classic ...which will be held at the Utica Memorial Auditorium. by Canucks Media Relations @Canucks / Vancouver Canucks 8:41 PM Share Vancouver, B.C. - The American Hockey League announced today the playing rosters for the 2018 AHL All-Star Classic to be held at the Utica Memorial Auditorium. Utica Comets forward Reid Boucher and goaltender Thatcher Demko have been named All-Stars for the first time in their respective careers. Boucher, 24, currently leads the Comets in goals (13), points (25) and shots (88) and shares the team lead in assists (12) and power play goals (5). The 5-10, 191-pound native of Lansing, Michigan has registered two five-game point streaks this season (Oct. 7 to 28: 2-6-8 and Nov. 22 to Dec. 1: 5-3-8). His latest five-game point streak included a career-high four point performance (2-2-4) on Dec. 1 at Bridgeport. Demko, 22, has appeared in 22 games for the Comets this season, posting a record of 11-6-5-1 including one shutout. His .924 save percentage ranks fifth in the AHL while his 2.41 GAA ranks 10th. The 6-4, 204-pound native of San Diego, California won four of his first five games to begin the season, highlighted by his first shutout of the season on Oct. 13 at Rochester and a 40-save performance on Oct. 21 at Rochester. The 2018 AHL All-Star Classic will include the AHL All-Star Skills Competition on Sunday, Jan. 28th, followed by the AHL Hall of Fame Induction and Awards Ceremony on Monday, Jan. 29th and the 2018 AHL All-Star Challenge that evening. The Skills Competition and the All-Star Challenge will take place at the newly renovated Adirondack Bank Center at the Utica Memorial Auditorium in downtown Utica; all other events during the All-Star Classic will take place at Turning Stone Resort Casino in nearby Verona, N.Y. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post The_Rocket Posted January 11, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Demko first star tonight, feels like he’s one of the three stars in every game he plays. Anyone know a website or anything that keeps track of things like that? Would be interesting to see Edit: I just went through all of Utica’s post game tweets and I counted that her Demko is one of the 3 stars in 12 games this season. He has played 23 games so far this season, so over 50% of the time he’s one of the top 3 players in the game Edited January 11, 2018 by Canadian Clay 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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