Gay pride march through Muslim areas of Stockholm draws ire of left-wing Swedes

[Lockout Casualty]

Now someone gets the entertaining double standard of the left.

Took a while, but finally happened.

Two separate groups of people have different views. How is that a double standard?

Are you seriously this dense?

[Mr. Ambien]

Freedom of speech, freedom of movement, western society is a good place to be

For now. Thankfully all the leftists Dawkins talked about are able to do is counter-protest, but no doubt if they could seek a way to use government to bar people from offending Muslim hatred of gays, they would.

[riffraff]

Swedish lesbians? Where?

[Down by the River]

Did you miss the years of religious bashing threads?

Harper bashing threads?

Conservative bashing threads?

American bashing threads?

Redneck bashing threads?

People bash everything.

Actually rubbing it in their faces is kind of the point, isn't it? Any movement's rights isn't about shying away from people who don't like them. So really if Muslims don't like it, they should move to a place where gays get beheaded. There are plenty of those countries in the Middle East and Africa. So I would advise gay pride be exclusively held in Muslim areas until they figure it out.

So your reason for posting this thread is not because its an interesting topic, but because "years of perceived ridiculousness on one side of the fence warrants equal ridiculousness on the other side"?

[Mike Vanderhoek]

I kind of see both sides of the issue...while I in no way whatsoever think the march could be labeled "racist", even in the broadest definition of the word, & believe that people (generally) should be able to do what they like as long as they aren't hurting others, part of me can't help but think that maybe it's not necessary to rub it in the muslim community's eye.

Maybe there are people in the muslim community who feel they are LGBT and seeing people express their freedoms in the form of a parade would go a long way in helping that person have courage or be accepted more so by others while trying to live their life as they are.

A parade in no way is forcing or ramming anything or any one belief or way of life down anyone's throat and that goes for religious or in this case pride parades. It is showing the world, the community that it's ok, that one can express their freedoms and live a free life ideally without judgement.

[taxi]

Two separate groups of people have different views. How is that a double standard?

Are you seriously this dense?

The left has a duty to universally protect the rights of gay people. There is no room for differing views on the subject. Basic human rights trump religious freedom.

That being said this march looks like it has more to do with attacking one community, than defending another. Unless the right in Sweden is radically different than here and is supportive of gay rights.

[Goat James]

This report is way too short to capture the complexity of the situation. Being from Sweden I'll fill you in on a few things:

Sweden had a left wing gouvernment pretty much from 1920 to 1980, and we also avoided both WW1 and WW2. The money we saved by not blowing up our country, primarily in WW2 was used to build a strong infrastructure and create jobs. The money we saved by having an unemployment rate below 2 % was used on socialistic things, such as free school and university, five weeks of payed vacation annually, almost free health care, completely free dental for children under 20 and so on.

This ideology built on solidarity made Sweden accept a lot of immigrants especially from the Middle East. However we failed with the integration a bit; the society got pretty segregated, pretty much every major city has a district where most people are poor and almost everyone is some kind of immigrant, be it first or second generation. The fact that a lot of these people basically don't get any help in their job searching and that a lot of them are traoumatized from what's happened to them in their countries has lead to them feeling pretty alinated from the Swedish society. There are a lot of problems in these "slums" such as riots and such.

Getting a job is harder if your name is Muhammed than if it is Sven and in the past 15 years the social climate has gotten tougher in Sweden, leading up to the fact that The Sweden Democrats, a political party with its roots in the national socialistic ideology became the third largest party in this past election by blaming all problems on the immigrants.

Although Sweden as a whole is a very tolerant country (we were one of the first countries to legalize gay marriage and most people don't see homosexuality as an issue) a lot of immigrants from super homophobic countries and people on the far right wing aren't as tolerant.

The people planning this Pride Parade have many times in the past expressed homophobic things (such as calling a man loving another man the "wrong sexual preference") and many feel that the fact that they're organizing this has little to do with the acceptance of gays and more about creating a rift between Swedes and immigrants.

[Lockhart]

Shouldn't even be "muslim areas" in Sweden.

[Mr. Ambien]

The left has a duty to universally protect the rights of gay people. There is no room for differing views on the subject. Basic human rights trump religious freedom.

That being said this march looks like it has more to do with attacking one community, than defending another. Unless the right in Sweden is radically different than here and is supportive of gay rights.

I think of this march as not only bringing the barbaric nature of the Muslim religion to the forefront but also showing how stupid the left is with their double standards of Christian bashing and Muslim appeasing.

[Lockout Casualty]

The left has a duty to universally protect the rights of gay people. There is no room for differing views on the subject. Basic human rights trump religious freedom.

That being said this march looks like it has more to do with attacking one community, than defending another. Unless the right in Sweden is radically different than here and is supportive of gay rights.

Nothing here contradicts anything in my post. The left may have that duty, but the left differs vastly between countries. Just like the right does. Similarities? Sure. Yet they are still entirely separate groups of people. And like you said but that's not what's happening here. This is about one group provoking another group (who are even more in the wrong). Not that I think they shouldn't be allowed to do it. It's a free country and Muslims are free to get pissed off. It's just one group of regressive morons poking another. So long as everyone obeys the law.

This report is way too short to capture the complexity of the situation. Being from Sweden I'll fill you in on a few things:

Sweden had a left wing gouvernment pretty much from 1920 to 1980, and we also avoided both WW1 and WW2. The money we saved by not blowing up our country, primarily in WW2 was used to build a strong infrastructure and create jobs. The money we saved by having an unemployment rate below 2 % was used on socialistic things, such as free school and university, five weeks of payed vacation annually, almost free health care, completely free dental for children under 20 and so on.

This ideology built on solidarity made Sweden accept a lot of immigrants especially from the Middle East. However we failed with the integration a bit; the society got pretty segregated, pretty much every major city has a district where most people are poor and almost everyone is some kind of immigrant, be it first or second generation. The fact that a lot of these people basically don't get any help in their job searching and that a lot of them are traoumatized from what's happened to them in their countries has lead to them feeling pretty alinated from the Swedish society. There are a lot of problems in these "slums" such as riots and such.

Getting a job is harder if your name is Muhammed than if it is Sven and in the past 15 years the social climate has gotten tougher in Sweden, leading up to the fact that The Sweden Democrats, a political party with its roots in the national socialistic ideology became the third largest party in this past election by blaming all problems on the immigrants.

Although Sweden as a whole is a very tolerant country (we were one of the first countries to legalize gay marriage and most people don't see homosexuality as an issue) a lot of immigrants from super homophobic countries and people on the far right wing aren't as tolerant.

The people planning this Pride Parade have many times in the past expressed homophobic things (such as calling a man loving another man the "wrong sexual preference") and many feel that the fact that they're organizing this has little to do with the acceptance of gays and more about creating a rift between Swedes and immigrants.

Thanks for the context.

I think of it as not only bringing the barbaric nature of the Muslim religion to the forefront but also showing how stupid the left is with their double standards of Christian bashing and Muslim appeasing.

Definitely lost his troll mojo. That's three casts now and barely any bites. Try a different bait maybe?

[smithers joe]

so henrik doesn't agree with daniel on this one?

[Mr. Ambien]

so henrik doesn't agree with daniel on this one?

[Hugor Hill]

I think of this march as not only bringing the barbaric nature of the Muslim religion to the forefront but also showing how stupid the left is with their double standards of Christian bashing and Muslim appeasing.

An insult to the word 'think'.

[falcon45ca]

Actually rubbing it in their faces is kind of the point, isn't it? Any movement's rights isn't about shying away from people who don't like them. So really if Muslims don't like it, they should move to a place where gays get beheaded. There are plenty of those countries in the Middle East and Africa. So I would advise gay pride be exclusively held in Muslim areas until they figure it out.

Ah, the old "if you don't like it, then move" argument...it usually gets bandied about by right-wingers, but I suppose it has a broader appeal.

[LeanBeef]

Left wing swedes like Daniel Sedin?

[Mr. Ambien]

Ah, the old "if you don't like it, then move" argument...it usually gets bandied about by right-wingers, but I suppose it has a broader appeal.

Usually a better idea than catering to or adopting the prejudices of people who refuse to assimilate to where they moved.

[falcon45ca]

Usually a better idea than catering to or adopting the prejudices of people who refuse to assimilate to where they moved.

Freedom's a tricky thing, don't those who move to free countries also have the freedom to not assimilate?

How would you feel about this situation if instead of a peaceful gay pride march through a Muslim community, it was a peaceful anti-semitic march through a Jewish community?

What if the Flames held their Stanley Cup parade in '89 in downtown Vancouver?

[Guest]

Usually a better idea than catering to or adopting the prejudices of people who refuse to assimilate to where they moved.

Fortunately in Canada it is more about acculturation rather than assimilation. Of course, if you don't like it you can always move.

[Mr. Ambien]

Freedom's a tricky thing, don't those who move to free countries also have the freedom to not assimilate?

How would you feel about this situation if instead of a peaceful gay pride march through a Muslim community, it was a peaceful anti-semitic march through a Jewish community?

What if the Flames held their Stanley Cup parade in '89 in downtown Vancouver?

Weird how it's been no concern for gay pride to be waved in the faces of Christians but when it comes to Muslims it draws comparisons of racism. It's quite an entertaining mishmash of standards. There's no reason Muslims Jews or Buddhists shouldn't endure the same thing. After all.. the message of freedom and equality is supposed to mean more than the prejudices of religious people. However.. the left's ass kissing of Muslims is quite evident as you can see even to people like Dawkins.

[Jägermeister]

Yes. Everyone who is left wing is the same. We get it. Next topic?