Alflives Posted November 9, 2016 Share Posted November 9, 2016 10 minutes ago, Boudrias said: I think you are exactly right. Send him down for a month or two and bring him up for a couple of games. Gaunce isn't scoring a lot but he is getting TOI and not hurting the club. He needs NHL exposure and is getting it. Virtanen likely benefits from exposure to a dif coach. Your different coach is a good point. Maybe JB is not sending JV down, because there is a coaching change coming on the big club, and the win last night only postponed the inevitable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray_Cathode Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 On 01/11/2016 at 2:09 AM, DeNiro said: True, but again Stecher has had an extra year of development to work out the flaws in his game. I don't think college development equals minor pro development.I do wish that Subban was better defensively, though, because we could sure use a guy who can create goals on our D and run our PP - though I don't know how much that PP would improve so long as the Sedins play catch around the periphery - killing off every opportunity - it does like their style has been neutralized by other teams extensive scouting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 I feel like he is never going to get a fair shot with the Canucks Stecher is way better defensively than Subban and plays more physical and seems capable of a considerable level of offence 30-40 points like Ben Hutton that Jordan Subban can provide but with much more risky plays. Plus 2 small guys can't be on the same d core. Hard enough to sneak one under 6 foot guy on the d but 2? Not happening. Obviously the Canucks are hoping to showcase Subban to put in a package provided his defensive awareness improves enough to get a quality asset back for him or in a package with another player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckin Kingsly Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 1 hour ago, Chip Kelly said: Obviously the Canucks are hoping to showcase Subban to put in a package provided his defensive awareness improves enough to get a quality asset back for him or in a package with another player. Obviously? Wish I had your crystal ball so I can see what else Canucks management is doing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 23 minutes ago, Virtanen The Great said: Obviously? Wish I had your crystal ball so I can see what else Canucks management is doing Maybe it is not "obvious" in the literal sense but if you connect the dots that's how it is going. Stecher has already taken Subban's future spot on the Canucks and is better than him defensively so much that Subban's offensive upside might not make up for his lack of d-zone awareness. It would make sense for the Canucks to trade one of their few young assets in Subban who may be attractive to another team due to his age and offensive upside. Virtanen, Subban and the Canucks first rounder next year for Tyson Barrie would be pretty nice and give the Canucks a legit 1st pair offensive d-man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuckin Kingsly Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: Plus 2 small guys can't be on the same d core. Hard enough to sneak one under 6 foot guy on the d but 2? Not happening. Tyson Barrie is 5'10 190 lbs Jordan Subban 5'9 175 lbs.. and also 4 years younger. Hardly much smaller. While I like Barrie, and his offence speaks for him self. He isn't a great dman. I know plus minus isn't a great stat but -16 last year. And -8 through 13 games this year. That's a terrible trade, considering it's looking like we'll be in the lottery again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 8 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: I feel like he is never going to get a fair shot with the Canucks Stecher is way better defensively than Subban and plays more physical and seems capable of a considerable level of offence 30-40 points like Ben Hutton that Jordan Subban can provide but with much more risky plays. Plus 2 small guys can't be on the same d core. Hard enough to sneak one under 6 foot guy on the d but 2? Not happening. Obviously the Canucks are hoping to showcase Subban to put in a package provided his defensive awareness improves enough to get a quality asset back for him or in a package with another player. I don't agree that two small guys can't be on the same d core even if ones a 7 they'd definitely work will our big D. hutton-guddy Joulevi -tryamkin Pedan-Subban brisebois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alflives Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 10 minutes ago, RetroCanuck said: I don't agree that two small guys can't be on the same d core even if ones a 7 they'd definitely work will our big D. hutton-guddy Joulevi -tryamkin Pedan-Subban brisebois You don't like Stecher, or is he trade bait? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RetroCanuck Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 Haha I had him with tram but then remembered juolevi and forgot to add him again. But yea I'm a huge fan which is why this started in the first place. I think a team can have two undersixed D with great offensive potential as long as their competent D man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odd. Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 7 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: Maybe it is not "obvious" in the literal sense but if you connect the dots that's how it is going. Stecher has already taken Subban's future spot on the Canucks and is better than him defensively so much that Subban's offensive upside might not make up for his lack of d-zone awareness. It would make sense for the Canucks to trade one of their few young assets in Subban who may be attractive to another team due to his age and offensive upside. Virtanen, Subban and the Canucks first rounder next year for Tyson Barrie would be pretty nice and give the Canucks a legit 1st pair offensive d-man. Pass. Stecher is going to be our Barrie that can actually play defense. Colorado has no need for Subban. Subban to New Jersey inexchange for a 2nd or 3rd rounder depending on how he finishes the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Virtanen The Great said: Tyson Barrie is 5'10 190 lbs Jordan Subban 5'9 175 lbs.. and also 4 years younger. Hardly much smaller. While I like Barrie, and his offence speaks for him self. He isn't a great dman. I know plus minus isn't a great stat but -16 last year. And -8 through 13 games this year. That's a terrible trade, considering it's looking like we'll be in the lottery again. The Canucks are gonna suck anyway Barrie is a BC boy and would make coming to the games actually exciting being a legit 40 plus oint offensive d man the Canucks have not had since Ehrhoff. He offsets the loss of Subvan who is not getting a chance here anyways. I don't get how else you can improve the team shirt term and long term business adding a guy like Tyson Barrie to spark the power play and add some much needed offence from the back end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 12, 2016 Share Posted November 12, 2016 5 hours ago, Virtanen The Great said: Tyson Barrie is 5'10 190 lbs Jordan Subban 5'9 175 lbs.. and also 4 years younger. Hardly much smaller. While I like Barrie, and his offence speaks for him self. He isn't a great dman. I know plus minus isn't a great stat but -16 last year. And -8 through 13 games this year. That's a terrible trade, considering it's looking like we'll be in the lottery again. Barrie unlike Subban is actually proven plays bigger than his size and is not as big a liability in his own zone as Subban is. Or we could sit tight and hope Stecher becomes a poor man's Tyson Barrie. By the way the Canucks first rounder would be for next year not this year's guaranteed top 10 pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
funkyfresh Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: Barrie unlike Subban is actually proven plays bigger than his size and is not as big a liability in his own zone as Subban is. Or we could sit tight and hope Stecher becomes a poor man's Tyson Barrie. By the way the Canucks first rounder would be for next year not this year's guaranteed top 10 pick. Yes, let's trade first round picks since Canucks have so much high-end offensive talent in their forward prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanisleryan Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Anyone else want to see Subban tried on the wing....that kid has some offensive skills. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Boudreau Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 hours ago, funkyfresh said: Yes, let's trade first round picks since Canucks have so much high-end offensive talent in their forward prospects. You gotta trade something of value to get a good player back. Thats how it usually works. If you don't want a top scoring offensive d-man something the Canucks need BTW, you can instead try to acquire someone like Sam Reinhart or take your pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redhdlois Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Vanisleryan said: Anyone else want to see Subban tried on the wing....that kid has some offensive skills. YES!!! Been posting this for weeks......he could be our Johnny Hockey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canucklehead80 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 21 hours ago, Chip Kelly said: Plus 2 small guys can't be on the same d core. Hard enough to sneak one under 6 foot guy on the d but 2? Not happening. I'm not so sure I agree. I could see steering away from 2 smaller guys on 1 pairing, but don't see why 2 smaller dmen couldn't be on the same team. We've already got some bigger bodies around to help pair them with and help isolate them...Gudbranson, Tryamkin, and Edler. There are different types of small guys. Just because a guy is small doesn't mean he can't handle the physical play or is a weakling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beary Sweet Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 54 minutes ago, redhdlois said: YES!!! Been posting this for weeks......he could be our Johnny Hockey. I think we have our Johnny Hockey in Lockwood since he's playing in college and has slick stick handling just like Johnny and he also plays on the wing as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rush17 Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 Deal Subby with a roster player for someone decent! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junkyard Dog Posted November 13, 2016 Share Posted November 13, 2016 We can afford to be patient with a guy like Subban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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